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[ElitePinecone]

SorenTrigg wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Also, your (or mine, or anybody's) interpretation of someone's sexuality will be different. Bioware clearly intended (at least for a time) for several characters to be bisexual - Kaidan in the first game, and Thane (at the least) in the second. The dialogue is there, the romance triggers are there, the love scene is there in part. To Bioware (at least until they had a change of heart), Kaidan was always meant to be bisexual. It was part of his character, so to speak. Part of the 'depth' you speak of included a possible gay romance with MShep. 

Of course new characters would also be great, if they were introduced. 

Likewise Ash as well in the first game, remember.

Yes - I mentioned Kaidan/Thane because the previous poster talked about male romance options and how they didn't 'seem' bisexual. There are more bisexual characters in the ME games than people realise. 

[Wittand25]

Jacob also seemed to be on the brink of flirting with a male Shepard.

And because someone mentioned the life span of Thane, he is as good as cured see the Cerberus daily news from 07/13.

[Christmas Ape]

mrsph wrote...

It's the future. Everyone is bisexual.

That was my understanding of late 70's/early 80's sci-fi.

[MobiusTyr]

No same-sex. Do this and the world will tear Bioware apart. You know why? The World is smart. and you are dumb.

[LiquidGrape]

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Modifié par LiquidGrape, 18 juillet 2010 - 12:37 .

[Yana Montana]

mrsph wrote...

It's the future. Everyone is bisexual.

Yay!

[catabuca]

I understand those who don't want to see characters like Kaidan open up as bi options in ME3/DLC, but I don't agree with them. As someone else said earlier, just because a character doesn't seem gay/bi to you, doesn't mean your experience was shared by others.



When I played through ME1 as manShep, the spark I felt between him and Kaidan was palpable, and reading others' comments in the various FftL threads and different groups here at the forums suggests I'm not alone.



Opening Kaidan (or Ash) for s/s relationships, if written well, wouldn't impede the immersion or gameplay of anyone who viewed those characters as 100% straight, because it needn't even be noted in their playthrough. What's more, anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that those who saw Kaidan and Ash as straight likely vaporized Kaidan if playing as manShep, and Ash if playing as femShep (although if Liara was the LI that might not necessarily be the case), and so those characters wouldn't even be there to 'gay up the game' in ME3 at all.



As I role-played my manShep, I imagined him and Kaidan being attracted to each other (and Kaidan gave off all the right signs, to my eyes) but being too focused on the mission to let themselves be drawn into anything. Ash died every single Virmire-smooshing time.



Considering the devs aren't changing the mechanics of the game like they did between ME1&2, and considering even though they did for ME2 and still managed to shoe-horn in new romance options with Garrus and Tali because the fans demanded/requested it, I'd say there is definitely scope for Ash/Kaidan to have additional dialogue written for them that re-captures that original dream of their bi-fabulousness, AND for 1 new s/s character for both m and f Shep to be introduced.



And to reiterate, if the general problem with shoddy writing and implementation of romance dialogue (ala Jacob) is sorted out, there is absolutely no need for it to be an issue to anyone.

[Tirigon]

mrsph wrote...

It's the future. Everyone is bisexual.

I always thought everyone was bisexual right now, but I am shown otherwise quite often. I can´t really understand that, to be honest. not being bisexual seems unnatural to me.

Modifié par Tirigon, 17 juillet 2010 - 01:57 .

[javierabegazo]

MobiusTyr, you've been temp banned for Obvious Trolling. Take the day off and learn how to play nice

[MonkeyKaboom]

No...They need to use their resources to improve class definitions, combat mechanics and such. Wasting time in programming to develop a minor relationship base is small time considering there are more pressing issues which effect a greater level of gameplay.

[SorenTrigg]

MonkeyKaboom wrote...

No...They need to use their resources to improve class definitions, combat mechanics and such. Wasting time in programming to develop a minor relationship base is small time considering there are more pressing issues which effect a greater level of gameplay.

While it is a concern for some to think "Why should they do X when they should be doing Y instead?" You have to remember, they are going to have romances in ME3 anyway. And in some cases, they already did all of the work and then removed it, like with Mass Effect 1's Kaidan and Ash. I believe I would call that having wasted more time than actually including it.

[ElitePinecone]

MonkeyKaboom wrote...

No...They need to use their resources to improve class definitions, combat mechanics and such. Wasting time in programming to develop a minor relationship base is small time considering there are more pressing issues which effect a greater level of gameplay.

Funny - they 'wasted time in programming to develop a minor relationship base' to cater to Garrus and Tali fans in Mass Effect 2. Or is inter-species alien sex less icky, or more worthy of Bioware's resources, than humans of the same gender? Bioware created 6 new romance paths for players in the second game - 5 of which were 'wasted' per playthrough, as players could only complete one at a time. I don't hear anybody saying that this was a bad thing. 

[kraidy1117]

rynluna wrote...

Considering all the s/s voice clips that have been found in the files of the game, it's a wonder they didn't use any of the stuff they recorded. :-/

I blame Chud.

[M1tt3ns]

kraidy1117 wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Considering all the s/s voice clips that have been found in the files of the game, it's a wonder they didn't use any of the stuff they recorded. :-/

I blame Chud.

Clearly they're doing. First they eat John Goodman, now this.... or did you mean a different CHUD? 

Either way, so supported.

[Tirigon]

MonkeyKaboom wrote...

No...They need to use their resources to improve class definitions, combat mechanics and such. Wasting time in programming to develop a minor relationship base is small time considering there are more pressing issues which effect a greater level of gameplay.

Not necessarily. Combat mechanics and class definitions are quite good already (though I ould like the cover system changed). The inclusion of same sex romaces is not quite good yet.

[Soirreb]

I think this thread deserves a bump. Aside from that, I don't think *everyone* would be bisexual in the future, but I do think there would be a vastly reduced stigma attached to it (if not outright eliminated).

[Siansonea]

I support Ash and Kaidan as s/s romances in ME3. I might even create an ME1 save in which Ashley lives if this were the case.



Of course, they could just offer a patch for ME1 to unlock the s/s content that is already there. That would make that game worth playing again.

[derLoko]

I'm a mormon and I've got 8 wives. I think that In the future everybody will be more open-minded about that, so all characters in ME should be into polygamy now.

Modifié par derLoko, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:53 .

[Spartas Husky]

derLoko wrote...

I'm a mormon and I've got 8 wives. I think that In the future everybody will be more open-minded about that, so all characters in ME should be into polygamy now.

HA...nice

although...I never heard of polygamy where the woman marries many men....could be wrong though, but isn't polygamy a male oriented thing???

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:55 .

[DanaScu]

Spartas Husky wrote...

derLoko wrote...

I'm a mormon and I've got 8 wives. I think that In the future everybody will be more open-minded about that, so all characters in ME should be into polygamy now.

HA...nice

although...I never heard of polygamy where the woman marries many men....could be wrong though, but isn't polygamy a male oriented thing???

Female version is polyandry.

Either one would require more writing though if it extended through the game instead of "night before the big battle" type of thing.  There was the possibility of a three-some and four-some does exist in DA:O, so who knows?

Now back on topic: Considering all the dialogue bits around, it would be nice if the possibility was still there.

[Christmas Ape]

Polyandry is, I understand, still practiced in some African tribal cultures.



And really,

Considering all the dialogue bits around, it would be nice if the possibility was still there.

this is what gets me about the whole affair we're discussing. They already spent the money and the time to create this content, then cut it because they think either people don't want it (which is clearly false) or, less charitably, some controversy-shy suit cut the soul out of Bioware one progressive element at a time.

[catabuca]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Considering all the dialogue bits around, it would be nice if the possibility was still there.

this is what gets me about the whole affair we're discussing. They already spent the money and the time to create this content, then cut it because they think either people don't want it (which is clearly false) or, less charitably, some controversy-shy suit cut the soul out of Bioware one progressive element at a time.

This is what causes most of the consternation at the lack of s/s in the first place, I think. That and the fact there was a f/f option for femShep and no m/m for manShep. If there had been one a-piece, in both games, there wouldn't be a need for any of these threads – and if the original work hadn't been done, or done in part, to include them (in both games, again) and then cut from the final game, of course.

As for s/s content alienating some players, let's think about the DA forums: sure, there are a few people who mouth off about not liking being hit on by Zevran, but apart from their latent (or explicit in some cases) homophobia, that's more akin to people being pissed off by the way Jacob's dialogue with femShep happens in ME2, and only exacerbated by the small-minded because of his sexuality. I've yet to see the DA forums throbbing with the incandescent rage of people who are going to refuse to play the game or buy any future DA game because there was the option to shag Zev as a male warden. Same would be the case if it had have been kept in ME: a small handful of bigots may have spoken out on the forum, but they'd have played the game, and would have expended as much time ****ing about that as they would have about how they think adepts were overpowered.

It's only getting as much 'controversial' air time on the forums as it is precisely because it wasn't included, and it's easier for the bigots to spout their vile hatred in opposition to something that's not in the game.

[alienatedflea]

i personally dont understand...now games should please everyone of all sexual perferences? i mean the goal of cerberus is the advancement of humanity? and alliance is to protect...yet some would think that making the option of gay relationships would enhance the game? how so? does it really build the game that much? you say character development but really? to develop shep fully he needs to be gay or bi-curious? i think not...and sweets i think made the compairson of DA: origins and Mass Effect's sells to say that the gay inclusion in DA: origins didnt hurt the game but the first week i am sure there was no indication that there would be a fruity elf (even to gay standards according to some of the fellow posters) so to say that me3 needs to have a shep thats bi curious could in fact ruin the series because the option wasnt there before in the first 2 games and now in the last game he is becoming gay? no...the hard fact is this...if you want a great last game in me3 then there has be the same throughout with no major changes ( and yes having that change would be major)...i think i could support the option of a bi curious shep if he was bi curious throughout the trilogy...but he/she wasnt therefore i must decline my support in this (note: i have nothing against gays but the storyline needs to be constisent and not fall apart)