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[FKA_Servo]

ElitePinecone wrote...

On what basis? I'm holding out hope 

I'm holding out hope too, because it's more fun to be an optimist, but also because I think they'd be insane not to add s/s based on it's implementation, and the reception thereof, in DA2.

That said, yes - what little they've said so far doesn't indicate that it's necessarily going in. But it definitely doesn't explicitly preclude it. The general consensus here seems to be that they're not going to bar new players from starting up a romance if they're starting at ME3. They also seem to have indicated that there will be no "new" options. One of Casey's tweets said that they'd have introductions to the the existing romances for new players. I think the pool of available LIs for those starting at ME3 will be much smaller - probably just Kaidan/Ash/Liara, maybe Tali/Garrus too.

From where I'm standing, none of this is incompatible with opening up say Kaidan or Ash for s/s relationships, especially if you don't have a current LI in your game or are starting in the third act. If you want to avoid the "retcon" issue (disclosure - I don't think it would be a retcon, but I'll accept that some folks might), look at it this way: circumstances for the characters are very different. The Reaper invasion is imminent, and Kaidan and Ash have had a few years to examine their feelings. Shepard saved them on Virmire for a reason, and together they made history. They didn't realize what they had - or what they could have had - until they lost Shepard to the Reapers. They don't want that opportunity to escape them again.

It makes sense, is all I'm sayin'.

Holymoogle beat me to this point, but it bears repeating - the justification of "they want to reach a broader audience, and that's why no one's gay" is stupid. Half a brain and a little common sense reveals that the best way to reach broader audience is to provide more options, a la DA2. Everyone is happy!

Modifié par TommyServo, 13 mai 2011 - 03:18 .

[Siansonea]

Oh look, the age old Asari Aren't Female argument rages on. I'll let is simmer, but I do want to put this out there:

For all that people are somehow trying to "prove" that Liara/FemShep isn't a same-sex relationship, they are at the same time "proving" that Liara/MaleShep also isn't an opposite sex relationship. You can't say it's a heterosexual relationship if the other party isn't of the "opposite" gender. If you say asari aren't female, don't have gender, etc., guess what? You've just removed them from classification as a heterosexual relationship for MaleShep, as well as homosexual for FemShep. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't have Heterosexual ManShep and Liara "because she looks like a woman" and Non-Homosexual FemShep and Liara "because she's not really female". Can't do it. You obviously can't call MaleShep and Liara "homosexual" either, since that clearly requires 'same sex' for that definition to be applied, but you are still throwing MaleShep into a grey area. Or rather, an azure area.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 13 mai 2011 - 04:12 .

[Darkhour]

HolyMoogle wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Midey wrote...

So we are not getting S/S romances in ME3?

They want to reach a broader audience.  Nobody wants man on man buttsex in their Battlefield or Mass Effect 3.  DA2 was enough gay for the next decade. The ME IP doesn't want to become "that gay shooter".

Well goodness, you certainly sound like a broad audience! Kinda like how nobody enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins for being that gay RPG, or how nobody liked The Sims for being that gay simulation, or how nobody liked Fable for being that gay RPG/simulation, right?

There was nothing gay about DA:O. There were simply a gay elf, which is expected. Just ask Oghren. Never played Sims or Fable so I assume you have equally exaggerate their gayness. 

It should be asari/quarian woman and human man like God intended.

[Siansonea]

Sahariel wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Asari are clearly called female in the codex. Monogender means "one gender" and that gender happens to be female.

And the melding does involve physical intamacy in the sex scene. You would have to be attracted to females to be attracted to the Asari. Femshep can even take offense when propositioned by Liara for exactly that reason.

It's undeniably lesbian titillation, however. No matter how you put it.

Aaaand... there's still Kelly.

Well strictly speaking Asari are asexual, as they can both contribute genetic material to make a child (male) and can provide the egg for fertilization (female). They are closer to trees in this respect.

At no point did I say the melding didn't involve acts of physical intimacy. Go back and re-read my post.

What is titilating for you maybe erotic and artistic to someone else. Your point of view is not the only one.

And Kelly relates to Asari biology how exactly?

Kelly relates to asari biology as often as she can, but she's just freaky that way. The fact remains that FemShep and Kelly can get all Chora's Den in the captain's cabin, Kelly puts on the Universal Stripper Outfit and grinds like a pro for our girl Shepard. Now, I can't speak for other straight women, but I don't generally invite other women to my boudoir for interpretive dance, so...

[FKA_Servo]

Darkhour wrote...

There was nothing gay about DA:O. There were simply a gay elf, which is expected. Just ask Oghren. Never played Sims or Fable so I assume you have equally exaggerate their gayness. 

It should be asari/quarian woman and human man like God intended.

And Leliana. Also, I've played Sims AND Fable - it's not an exaggeration.

That said, what do you say to asari woman and human woman?

[Siansonea]

Darkhour wrote...

HolyMoogle wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Midey wrote...

So we are not getting S/S romances in ME3?

*troll snip*.

Well goodness, you certainly sound like a broad audience! Kinda like how nobody enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins for being that gay RPG, or how nobody liked The Sims for being that gay simulation, or how nobody liked Fable for being that gay RPG/simulation, right?

There was nothing gay about DA:O. There were simply a gay elf, which is expected. Just ask Oghren. Never played Sims or Fable so I assume you have equally exaggerate their gayness. 

It should be asari/quarian woman and human man like God intended.

Obvious troll, you are obvious. Your last statement underlines your already bold and italic obvious trollitude.

[Darkhour]

Siansonea II wrote...

Obvious troll, you are obvious. Your last statement underlines your already bold and italic obvious trollitude.

The last line highlights my "trollitude"?

You're not too quick on the uptake, huh?

[Darkhour]

TommyServo wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

There was nothing gay about DA:O. There were simply a gay elf, which is expected. Just ask Oghren. Never played Sims or Fable so I assume you have equally exaggerate their gayness. 

It should be asari/quarian woman and human man like God intended.

And Leliana. Also, I've played Sims AND Fable - it's not an exaggeration.

That said, what do you say to asari woman and human woman?

Lelian is OK because of no man on man buttseks.  All she can do with a female warden is... ummm... like, scissor or something.

[Centauri2002]

Aye, it's not even worth replying to the overwhelming trolliness of that post. >.>

[Russalka]

Report and move on. If we all do it, that thing will go away.

[Siansonea]

Is there a fly in here? Did somebody leave a window open? 
Maybe I meant to say trollocity, or trollaciousness. Trollexpialidocious? And they say I'm not quick on the uptake. 

Back on topic: So, Asari Aren't Female Brigade, how DO you classify the MaleShep/Liara romance if Liara isn't a female, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[Siansonea]

I have called upon the Mighty Woo to obliterate the fiend. I should really map that power to the triangle button.

[FKA_Servo]

Seconded on the Woo invocation.

So anyway, I'm upbeat and cautiously optimistic about this, because I feel like they might unlock S/S for Kaidan and Ash. How do you feel?

[Stanley Woo]

Let's try to keep it on topic, please. And folks, if you see spam or a troll in a thread, just report it to a Moderator. There's no need to encourage bad behaviour with a response. Thank you.

[jlb524]

TommyServo wrote...
I'm holding out hope too, because it's more fun to be an optimist, but also because I think they'd be insane not to add s/s based on it's implementation, and the reception thereof, in DA2.

Yeah, but still...two different dev teams.

TommyServo wrote...
That said, yes - what little they've said so far doesn't indicate that it's necessarily going in. But it definitely doesn't explicitly preclude it. The general consensus here seems to be that they're not going to bar new players from starting up a romance if they're starting at ME3. They also seem to have indicated that there will be no "new" options. One of Casey's tweets said that they'd have introductions to the the existing romances for new players. I think the pool of available LIs for those starting at ME3 will be much smaller - probably just Kaidan/Ash/Liara, maybe Tali/Garrus too.

That sounds like a possibility...it would be nice if the new romances consisted of Liara/Ashley or Kaidan/Garrus/Tali (only four squad mates) and they were all open to both genders (not just Liara).   I won't hold my breath though. 

TommyServo wrote...
From where I'm standing, none of this is incompatible with opening up say Kaidan or Ash for s/s relationships, especially if you don't have a current LI in your game or are starting in the third act. If you want to avoid the "retcon" issue (disclosure - I don't think it would be a retcon, but I'll accept that some folks might), look at it this way: circumstances for the characters are very different. The Reaper invasion is imminent, and Kaidan and Ash have had a few years to examine their feelings. Shepard saved them on Virmire for a reason, and together they made history. They didn't realize what they had - or what they could have had - until they lost Shepard to the Reapers. They don't want that opportunity to escape them again.

Even if it is a retcon, I don't think it matters... It's not like something similar hasn't been done before *coughs*Tali and Garrus*coughs*

Anyway, I don't think it would be a retcon, as sexuality can be more fluid than most imagine.

TommyServo wrote...
Holymoogle beat me to this point, but it bears repeating - the justification of "they want to reach a broader audience, and that's why no one's gay" is stupid. Half a brain and a little common sense reveals that the best way to reach broader audience is to provide more options, a la DA2. Everyone is happy!

Right, beyond a handful of whiners, most seem fine with how DA2 did the romance thing.

[Captain_Obvious]

I really don't see how Liara can be anything but female, she said herself the Asari were mono-gendered, not hermaphroditic or androgynous, or something more esoteric. I am still fighting for the love for my manShep, though.

[Darkhour]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
It should be asari/quarian woman and human man like God intended.

I just, uh... whoa.

It's called irony, but some people are too slow to pick up on it.

[Siansonea]

Oh, is that what it was. So, being an obvious troll is irony now? Somebody text Alanis Morrissette posthaste.

Still waiting for an answer on my previous question from those who strenuously defend FemShep's non-homosectionality.

[FKA_Servo]

jlb524 wrote...


Yeah, but still...two different dev teams.

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That sounds like a possibility...it would be nice if the new romances consisted of Liara/Ashley or Kaidan/Garrus/Tali (only four squad mates) and they were all open to both genders (not just Liara).   I won't hold my breath though. 

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Even if it is a retcon, I don't think it matters... It's not like something similar hasn't been done before *coughs*Tali and Garrus*coughs*

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Anyway, I don't think it would be a retcon, as sexuality can be more fluid than most imagine.

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Right, beyond a handful of whiners, most seem fine with how DA2 did the romance thing.

Same studio though - it's not like the one is unaware of what the other is doing.

I might be in the minority, but just as I don't agree that opening Kaidan or Ash up in the third game would be a retcon, I don't really see Tali or Garrus as such either. Sometimes these things take a while! If they were to open Kaidan/Ash and Tali/Garrus to s/s, along with Liara, then that would be ideal, with four completely inclusive options.

I think DA2 had the best romance implementation of any Bioware game to date, not just because of it's inclusiveness. The way the romance plots were interwoven into the greater narrative was brilliant, and so much better than the talk/mission/talk/mission/boink of Mass Effect.

Modifié par TommyServo, 13 mai 2011 - 05:01 .

[Siansonea]

TommyServo wrote...

Seconded on the Woo invocation.

So anyway, I'm upbeat and cautiously optimistic about this, because I feel like they might unlock S/S for Kaidan and Ash. How do you feel?

I am neither upbeat nor downbeat, neither optimistic nor pessimistic, though perhaps leaning a bit more toward the latter than a true neutral position. I am in standby mode, I guess. I do think Kaidan/Ashley s/s is the most likely option at this point, but my preference is Kaidan/Miranda. I really get tired of Kaidan and Ashley being treated as a single character, for one thing, and I just think Miranda makes more sense than Ashley as a s/s human LI. Ash is pretty forthright, she says what's on her mind. She flirts openly with ManShep in ME1, I find it hard to believe she wouldn't also flirt with FemShep in the same circumstance. Miranda is much more reserved, the same way that Kaidan is. Neither of them is free with their affections, and they strike me as the most complex personalities. Plenty of room for Miranda to have s/s feelings toward FemShep, and it could well be that Miranda's fertility concerns and questions is what made her focus on males exclusively for a while. With that issue put to rest, she might not limit herself so much in the future, especially when it comes to the one gal who helped her resolve her sister's situation and also helped her make a break from the Illusive Man. And Kaidan could so easily be bisexual it would literally take one line of dialogue to make it happen. Something along the lines of "you never asked, Shepard".

[Darkhour]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh, is that what it was. So, being an obvious troll is irony now? Somebody text Alanis Morrissette posthaste.

Still waiting for an answer on my previous question from those who strenuously defend FemShep's non-homosectionality.

Asari/quarian woman with human male... AS GOD INTENDED??? you know, people against gay, but banging an alien is OK... get it???

Are you truly THAT slow?  Nevermind, you're right. 

Yes, you got me. Gay sex is wrong, but interspecies sex is fine. Grr, it makes me so made that a fictional video game alien with tentacle hair can romance a femshep. Grrrr!!!! ? Alien sex is only for guys!!! I honestly believe that human males should only have sex with extraterrestrials like God says it should be in the Bible. That is my real life belief. I couldn't sneak anything past you, Einstien. 

Modifié par Darkhour, 13 mai 2011 - 05:08 .

[1Minsc1]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

I really don't see how Liara can be anything but female, she said herself the Asari were mono-gendered, not hermaphroditic or androgynous, or something more esoteric. I am still fighting for the love for my manShep, though.

Asari are female by canon. But, because of the way of reproducing, i think they are hermaproditic. At least when two Asari pair, both could become pregnant and integrate DNS of the partner. It's a simple trick by BW to label them as females. Otherwise, we don't know if Asari can fertilize femals of others races/species, so in sexual contacts with them they seem always to be female.

[Cootie]

TommyServo wrote...

Same studio though - it's not like the one is unaware of what the other is doing.

I might be in the minority, but just as I don't agree that opening Kaidan or Ash up in the third game would be a retcon, I don't really see Tali or Garrus as such either. Sometimes these things take a while! If they were to open Kaidan/Ash and Tali/Garrus to s/s, along with Liara, then that would be ideal, with four completely inclusive options.

I think DA2 had the best romance implementation of any Bioware game to date, not just because of it's inclusiveness. The way the romance plots were interwoven into the greater narrative was brilliant, and so much better than the talk/mission/talk/mission/boink of Mass Effect.

I have to say that I agree with you. A lot of people are complaining about the way DA2 handled things, but I think it's the best romance-system from Bioware to date.
You didn't even need their approval. *nods*

It was very inclusive and I think it was awesomely executed. Very refreshing from the monotone back-and-forth between missions in the Mass Effect games.

[Siansonea]

Darkhour wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh, is that what it was. So, being an obvious troll is irony now? Somebody text Alanis Morrissette posthaste.

Still waiting for an answer on my previous question from those who strenuously defend FemShep's non-homosectionality.

Asari/quarian woman with human male... AS GOD INTENDED??? you know, people against gay, but banging an alien is OK... get it???

Are you truly THAT slow?  Nevermind, you're right. 

Yes, you got me. Gay sex is wrong, but interspecies sex is fine. Grr, it makes me so made that a fictional video game alien with tentacle hair can romance a femshep. Grrrr!!!! ? Alien sex is only for guys!!! I honestly believe that human males should only have sex with extraterrestrials like God says it should be in the Bible. That is my real life belief. I couldn't sneak anything past you, Einstien. 

First time on the BSN? People make preposterous statements like this all the time. They do so with a straight face, and assiduously defend their statements. You mean to tell me you've never run across somebody saying this very thing trying to bait people? You may have been trying to be funny, sarcastic, or whatever, but we only have your actual text to go on, not your interpretation of that text. Perhaps we were obtuse, but you have to see how easily that can happen. It may seem redundant, but an EDI-style "That is a joke" goes a long way toward avoiding misunderstandings. In general, sarcasm, irony, and their cousins are best to avoid in this thread, because all too often these same jests are espoused with complete seriousness by dedicated provocateurs around here.