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[Centauri2002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

But let's look at this problem from another angle:
Trillions and trillions people live in the galaxy and your team is made out of 12 people (even less in ME3). What are the chances of at least one of them being gay? For humans,we know that gay population is in great minority,and as for aliens,we don't know if there is even such thing in their cultures.

This kind of reasoning could be applied to many different areas though. There are few Drell featured in the Mass Effect games, so what are the chances you'll have one on your crew? There is only a single krogan like Grunt in Mass Effect, yet he's on your crew. Wouldn't it be more likely that there'd be a gay or bisexual crew member, than a one-of-a-kind individual like him? I could go on and on.
What's likely and what is is dependent on the story writing. It's up to the quality of that writing to make it believable.

Ghost Warrior wrote...

I think BioWare made a mistake when they put so many LIs in ME2,I mean why should everyone be romancable? It is unrealistic and from that point of view,such mistake should not be expanded by adding gay LIs in ME3.

I agree, there were too many LIs in ME2. In fact, I think there were too many squad members, period. But that's my own personal perspective. I would have preferred they concentrate on developing meaningful relationships (romantic or otherwise) between a smaller number of characters. However, opening up one of the existing characters to the other gender would circumvent the problem of adding to that. 

[Russalka]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

But let's look at this problem from another angle:
Trillions and trillions people live in the galaxy and your team is made out of 12 people (even less in ME3). What are the chances of at least one of them being gay? For humans,we know that gay population is in great minority,and as for aliens,we don't know if there is even such thing in their cultures.

I think BioWare made a mistake when they put so many LIs in ME2,I mean why should everyone be romancable? It is unrealistic and from that point of view,such mistake should not be expanded by adding gay LIs in ME3.

The games are already full of "What are the chances of x?" questions.
What's one more?

Modifié par Russalka, 14 mai 2011 - 12:38 .

[FKA_Servo]

Sorry, but the people who only have the "best interests of the game at heart" are getting a little tired. You think it's unlikely that a random person may not identify as 100% straight. Well, I think it's incredibly unlikely that commander Shepard would work with a terrorist organization for any reason at all, for any length of time. Except...it makes sense for some Shepards. Shepard can be a jerk renegade if s/he wants to be.

I find it immersion breaking that the galaxy is populated by humanoid aliens that are psychologically identical and sexually compatible with people. That's extremely unlikely! Or that faster than light space travel is possible under any circumstances. That can't happen!

You're choosing silly things to get upset about. Not only is this a science fiction roleplaying game, it is one that allows for a very customizable PC. They need to provide options that are likely to please all possible players. Right now, they don't and it is sorely noticeable. They did this really well in DA2. Just remember - you can always ignore it. You can Play the game as though no one is interested in your Shepard at all, if you so desire.

Please excuse ne if this post seems unfocused. I'm learning the annoying way this morning that forum posting on a phone is incredibly aggravating.

[dujh]

as long as you have to actively pursue a gay romance and they dont come on to my character, then i dont see why people who want their sheps to go that way shouldn't get what they want

[Ghost Warrior]

centauri2002 wrote...
 However, opening up one of the existing characters to the other gender would circumvent the problem of adding to that. 

But people are already complaining about lack of continuity in characters (Garrus,Liara,Tali) and characters suddenly turning gay wouldn't help.

Sure,BioWare could always say something like "they were always gay,you just never asked them" but it's something that can be seen in their behaviour. Take Kaidan for example,and how he would sometimes get all uncomfortable with Fem Shep without romancing him. That never happened with Male Shep,he was at first acting like he was talking to a superior officer,and later like he was to talking to a buddy.

And can you honestly say that you can see Garrus being gay?Or any turian,for that matter,I just don't think it's in their nature.I can't see any of the males characters in ME universe as a gay people. It's just how BioWare made them.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 14 mai 2011 - 12:53 .

[hc00]

Tommy FTL travel is possible (though you arent actually travelling FTL, various physics oddities and such can be used to effectively travel FTL)

I must say though, I dont see what the problem with gay people is. I mean there are gay fellows in reality, alot more than you assume there is due to the stigma that is still attached to it, and in the future sensibilities and Taboos will have declined or disappeared as they are declining now, so gay people and Bi people will I would assume be fairly common a 170 years into the future.

Still though I wouldnt want one to make a pass at me. Being on my crew is fine, wanting to get in my pants is not!

[hc00]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
But people are already complaining about lack of continuity in characters (Garrus,Liara,Tali) and characters suddenly turning gay wouldn't help.

Sure,BioWare could always say something like "they were always gay,you just never asked them" but it's something that can be seen in their behaviour. Take Kaidan for example,and how he would sometimes get all uncomfortable with Fem Shep without romancing him. That never happened with Male Shep,he was at first acting like he was talking to a superior officer,and later like he was to talking to a buddy.

And can you honestly say that you can see Garrus being gay?Or any turian,for that matter,I just don't think it's in their nature.I can't see any of the males characters in ME universe as a gay people. It's just how BioWare made them.

What about Bioware saying Shephards imposing will and lust turned them gay?

[FKA_Servo]

Yes, I can. Sexuality is an aspect of one's character - it does not define one's character.

[Ghost Warrior]

hc00 wrote...


What about Bioware saying Shephards imposing will and lust turned them gay?

Then BioWare's excuses got even worse.

[Ghost Warrior]

TommyServo wrote...

Yes, I can. Sexuality is an aspect of one's character - it does not define one's character.

Oh I believe it does. Maybe not much,but it does.

[Saeran]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

And can you honestly say that you can see Garrus being gay?Or any turian,for that matter,I just don't think it's in their nature.I can't see any of the males characters in ME universe as a gay people. It's just how BioWare made them.

Any Turian you say? Preitor Gavorn says hi.

[hc00]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

hc00 wrote...


What about Bioware saying Shephards imposing will and lust turned them gay?

Then BioWare's excuses got even worse.

So you are saying no one has ever been straight, but been oddly attracted to a man (or another woman I guess) who is unique and interesting, possibly had a fling/full relationship with this man, but if it ended never choked on a sausage again?

You would be wrong.

[CroGamer002]

Well with exception of Jack, I don't see any current LI to be gay.

[Ghost Warrior]

Mesina2 wrote...

Well with exception of Jack, I don't see any current LI to be gay.

I agree,I could actually buy Jack being gay. Maybe Kaidan if very carefully and well written,but hardly.

[ElitePinecone]

Some of the language is getting a bit... crude. Try to tone it down please.

[hc00]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Well with exception of Jack, I don't see any current LI to be gay.

I agree,I could actually buy Jack being gay. Maybe Kaidan if very carefully and well written,but hardly.

Jack actually mentions that she is BI.  So being gay isnt much of a step for her.  Can a femshep romance jack in 2?

I personally find her disgusting so never tried with eithergendershep

[Ghost Warrior]

hc00 wrote...

So you are saying no one has ever been straight, but been oddly attracted to a man (or another woman I guess) who is unique and interesting, possibly had a fling/full relationship with this man, but if it ended never choked on a sausage again?

You would be wrong.

Of course it's possible. Just not for everyone.

[Ghost Warrior]

hc00 wrote...


Jack actually mentions that she is BI.  So being gay isnt much of a step for her.  Can a femshep romance jack in 2?

I personally find her disgusting so never tried with eithergendershep

You see,I never knew Jack was BI,so I was right. Sexuality affects personality and other way around.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 14 mai 2011 - 01:10 .

[Russalka]

Stereotypes and using them on fictional characters do not prove anything.

Modifié par Russalka, 14 mai 2011 - 01:51 .

[BrandNewMan]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

hc00 wrote...


Jack actually mentions that she is BI.  So being gay isnt much of a step for her.  Can a femshep romance jack in 2?

I personally find her disgusting so never tried with eithergendershep

You see,I never knew Jack was BI,so I was right. Sexuality affects personality and other way around.

If you never knew, how were you right?

[Jademoon121]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

hc00 wrote...


Jack actually mentions that she is BI.  So being gay isnt much of a step for her.  Can a femshep romance jack in 2?

I personally find her disgusting so never tried with eithergendershep

You see,I never knew Jack was BI,so I was right. Sexuality affects personality and other way around.

Sexuality doesn't affect personality though, it's just one small part that defines a person. If you where to see me, you'd never guess that I liked other men. Besides, what made you think that Jack was possibly bi anyway? The tatts? The promiscuity? The attitude? Playing on stereotypes is a slippery slope.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 14 mai 2011 - 02:21 .

[Centauri2002]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Sexuality doesn't affect personality though, it's just one small part that defines a person. If you where to see me, you'd never guess that I liked other men. Besides, what made you think that Jack was possibly bi anyway? The tatts? The promiscuity? The attitude? Playing on stereotypes is a slippery slope.

Likewise, I get mistaken for straight all the time. Even when I go out to a gay club. Woe is me. 

Stereotypes serve their own roles but not in this debate. 

[Jademoon121]

centauri2002 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Sexuality doesn't affect personality though, it's just one small part that defines a person. If you where to see me, you'd never guess that I liked other men. Besides, what made you think that Jack was possibly bi anyway? The tatts? The promiscuity? The attitude? Playing on stereotypes is a slippery slope.

Likewise, I get mistaken for straight all the time. Even when I go out to a gay club. Woe is me. 

Stereotypes serve their own roles but not in this debate. 

Yeah true, but if stereotypes didn't play into what a gay man is "supposed" to be like, this debate wouldn't exist in the first place. Plus, it really irks me when people in this thread say that Shep can't be gay because he's a badass.

[Centauri2002]

Jademoon121 wrote...


Yeah true, but if stereotypes didn't play into what a gay man is "supposed" to be like, this debate wouldn't exist in the first place. Plus, it really irks me when people in this thread say that Shep can't be gay because he's a badass.

I agree. It's ridiculous to think someone's sexuality has to define their personality. What about all the different kinds of men out there? There are sensitive straight men, macho ones, tough ones, douchey ones, nice ones. If sexuality defined your personality, we'd all be the same.

[Jademoon121]

centauri2002 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...


Yeah true, but if stereotypes didn't play into what a gay man is "supposed" to be like, this debate wouldn't exist in the first place. Plus, it really irks me when people in this thread say that Shep can't be gay because he's a badass.

I agree. It's ridiculous to think someone's sexuality has to define their personality. What about all the different kinds of men out there? There are sensitive straight men, macho ones, tough ones, douchey ones, nice ones. If sexuality defined your personality, we'd all be the same.

THIS. Seriously. I know that this is a thread about ME and only ME, but there are plenty of gay men, actually most, that are....men, and my Sheps are some of them. Sexual orienation=/=Gender.