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[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think they're more bad-PR-phobic at this point. They haven't been scared of it in the past but they definitely seem to be now.

ETA: *hugs* for Elite.

What is there to be scared about though? A few angry teenage boys?

Given the giant tantrum they threw because of Anders' come-on in DA2, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone at BioWare lies awake at night trying to think of ways they can accommodate these idiots. 

That's not even remotely fair. 

Now if you said the ME dev team. But even then I doubt that's the case. 

But Gaider openly mocked them (deservedly so). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 03:25 .

[Jademoon121]

Ryzaki wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

http://www.pcgamer.c...love-interests/
 

Casey just replied to a person asking about the article
".@LiquidMathew Don't believe everything you read in print (or online for that matter)."

Except he's said that bit (the asexual bit) on several occassions. 

To me this is just the final nail in the coffin. 

Jademoon121 wrote...
Too bad that are lots of female gamers treat man-on-man love like it's their personal crack sometimes, but it sounds like there are no such thing as a girl gamer.

 

Low blow man! Low blow! 

Sorry! But from personal experiance there are girls that go crazy over yaoi and stuff, even in gaming. Too bad Bioware won't seem to recognize that.

[BrandNewMan]

Ryzaki wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
The last answer is almost farcical. He tries to avoid 'lesbian' in the same way that economists avoid 'recession', even when the questioner puts it in those terms. 

Asari clearly aren't asexual, and they're only 'omnisexual' from their perspective - to a human, like femShep, any relationship with an asari would be a lesbian one by any reasonable human standards.

I'm importing an mShep/Kaidan romance, in any case. If it works, it works.  

That's an amusing way to put it. 

And yeah I'll do the last bit as well. If it doesn't work I'll just import my widower and as usual dodge all advances. I better not be forced into a situation like in DAO where Shepard has to have sex with a sexy female or die. <_<

Actually, that would be quite hilarious.

[Siansonea]

BrandNewMan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
The last answer is almost farcical. He tries to avoid 'lesbian' in the same way that economists avoid 'recession', even when the questioner puts it in those terms. 

Asari clearly aren't asexual, and they're only 'omnisexual' from their perspective - to a human, like femShep, any relationship with an asari would be a lesbian one by any reasonable human standards.

I'm importing an mShep/Kaidan romance, in any case. If it works, it works.  

That's an amusing way to put it. 

And yeah I'll do the last bit as well. If it doesn't work I'll just import my widower and as usual dodge all advances. I better not be forced into a situation like in DAO where Shepard has to have sex with a sexy female or die. <_<

Actually, that would be quite hilarious.

What would be MORE hilarious is if ManShep had to have sex with a buff dude to save the Galaxy. THAT would make me titter, chortle, giggle, and guffaw.

[Jademoon121]

Siansonea II wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think they're more bad-PR-phobic at this point. They haven't been scared of it in the past but they definitely seem to be now.

ETA: *hugs* for Elite.

What is there to be scared about though? A few angry teenage boys?

Given the giant tantrum they threw because of Anders' come-on in DA2, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone at BioWare lies awake at night trying to think of ways they can accommodate these idiots. 

They're not worth it though. A boy will always be a boy until he gets over such stupid idiocyncrisies.

[Ghost Warrior]

centauri2002 wrote...

@Ghost Warrior: No one said anything about making everyone gay. At the most, one bisexual option for each gender is what the majority of people are asking.

On such a small team,maybe even that's too much,know what I mean? If they wanted to present some of the characters as bisexual,they should have done it in the beginning.After all,ME2 was the game in trilogy with focus on characters.

As for your list of characters and their history, I don't see what most of that has to do with anything. Liara, Samara and Morinth all have the possibility of finding FemShep attractive and vice versa. A lot of the other characters could be bisexual for all you know.

I don't see many things in your list that would count against a bisexual romance being plausible.

What I was trying to say with that list is that they talked about Shepard about many extremely personal things,so if they were so open with Shep,why not express interest in same-sex Shepard but express interest in opposite-sex Shepard. And for those romances that Shepard was commencing,if he was gay or bisexual,why didn't he/she express that,he had plenty of chances.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 14 mai 2011 - 03:32 .

[Ryzaki]

Jademoon121 wrote...
Sorry! But from personal experiance there are girls that go crazy over yaoi and stuff, even in gaming. Too bad Bioware won't seem to recognize that.

 

Ah don't worry about it. I'm one of them myself.   

BrandNewMan wrote...
Actually, that would be quite hilarious.

Ah true. My Shepard has no family or LI anyway so kicking the bucket wouldn't be an issue. And my widower would jump at the chance to die in self-sacrifice. He's been looking for a way to die that wasn't suicide. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 03:33 .

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think they're more bad-PR-phobic at this point. They haven't been scared of it in the past but they definitely seem to be now.

ETA: *hugs* for Elite.

What is there to be scared about though? A few angry teenage boys?

Given the giant tantrum they threw because of Anders' come-on in DA2, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone at BioWare lies awake at night trying to think of ways they can accommodate these idiots. 

That's not even remotely fair. 

Now if you said the ME dev team. But even then I doubt that's the case. 

But Gaider openly mocked them (deservedly so). 

Oh, I know, I was indulging in hyperbole.  And I never claimed to be fair, I will definitely fight dirty if the situation calls for it.

[Centauri2002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
On such a small team,maybe even that's too much,know what I mean? I they wanted to present some of the characters as bisexual,they should have done it in the beginning.After all,ME2 was the game in trilogy with focus on characters.

What I was trying to say with that list is that they talked about Shepard about many extremely personal things,so if they were so open with Shep,why not express interest in same-sex Shepard and express interest in opposite-sex Shepard. And for those romances that Shepard was commencing,if he was gay or bisexual,why didn't he/she express that,he had plenty of chances.

No I don't know what you mean. It's just as likely, if not more so, that there'll be one or two bisexual characters on the Normandy as there would a genetically modified human or a biotic who had been experimented on since she was a child. The whole crew is a group of unlikelies.

Just because they've divulged those facts about themselves doesn't mean they need to tell Shepard everything. In fact, the conversations were rather limited, in my view, and were centered around their loyalty missions. If Jack had had a loyalty mission to get even with an old girlfriend, then maybe we would have seen her sexuality come into it. 

[Siansonea]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think they're more bad-PR-phobic at this point. They haven't been scared of it in the past but they definitely seem to be now.

ETA: *hugs* for Elite.

What is there to be scared about though? A few angry teenage boys?

Given the giant tantrum they threw because of Anders' come-on in DA2, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone at BioWare lies awake at night trying to think of ways they can accommodate these idiots. 

They're not worth it though. A boy will always be a boy until he gets over such stupid idiocyncrisies.

Well, in my 42 years of dealing with boys of all ages, I have to say that many of them get stuck at a 13-year-old maturity level and stay there well into adulthood. Not all of them, certainly, but the ratio is not insignificant.  

[ElitePinecone]

Just got a reply from Hudson via Twitter (o_O) - I'd asked him about the article saying one thing and his tweets another. His response was:

"Sometimes you can't accurately condense a complex work into an attention-grabbing headline. And some of our plans are spoilers.."

Hm.

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Just got a reply from Hudson via Twitter (o_O) - I'd asked him about the article saying one thing and his tweets another. His response was:

"Sometimes you can't accurately condense a complex work into an attention-grabbing headline. And some of our plans are spoilers.."

Hm.

There you go being hopeful again. 

[Centauri2002]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Just got a reply from Hudson via Twitter (o_O) - I'd asked him about the article saying one thing and his tweets another. His response was:

"Sometimes you can't accurately condense a complex work into an attention-grabbing headline. And some of our plans are spoilers.."

Hm.

What does that even mean?

Someone get a Hudson-dictionary.

[Siansonea]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

@Ghost Warrior: No one said anything about making everyone gay. At the most, one bisexual option for each gender is what the majority of people are asking.

On such a small team,maybe even that's too much,know what I mean? If they wanted to present some of the characters as bisexual,they should have done it in the beginning.After all,ME2 was the game in trilogy with focus on characters.

As for your list of characters and their history, I don't see what most of that has to do with anything. Liara, Samara and Morinth all have the possibility of finding FemShep attractive and vice versa. A lot of the other characters could be bisexual for all you know.

I don't see many things in your list that would count against a bisexual romance being plausible.

What I was trying to say with that list is that they talked about Shepard about many extremely personal things,so if they were so open with Shep,why not express interest in same-sex Shepard but express interest in opposite-sex Shepard. And for those romances that Shepard was commencing,if he was gay or bisexual,why didn't he/she express that,he had plenty of chances.

Why did it take so long for Garrus and Tali to say the want Shepard's levo-amino-acid booty? Yeah, crusty aliens wanting Shep's love is perfectly believable, but someone taking a little longer to decide that they want same-sex Shepard's lovin' is soooooo game breaking.<_<

[Jademoon121]

Siansonea II wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think they're more bad-PR-phobic at this point. They haven't been scared of it in the past but they definitely seem to be now.

ETA: *hugs* for Elite.

What is there to be scared about though? A few angry teenage boys?

Given the giant tantrum they threw because of Anders' come-on in DA2, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone at BioWare lies awake at night trying to think of ways they can accommodate these idiots. 

They're not worth it though. A boy will always be a boy until he gets over such stupid idiocyncrisies.

Well, in my 42 years of dealing with boys of all ages, I have to say that many of them get stuck at a 13-year-old maturity level and stay there well into adulthood. Not all of them, certainly, but the ratio is not insignificant.  

I wonder what is to blame. I'd figure that maturity is something desirable.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 14 mai 2011 - 03:42 .

[BrandNewMan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...
Sorry! But from personal experiance there are girls that go crazy over yaoi and stuff, even in gaming. Too bad Bioware won't seem to recognize that.

 

Ah don't worry about it. I'm one of them myself.   

BrandNewMan wrote...
Actually, that would be quite hilarious.

Ah true. My Shepard has no family or LI anyway so kicking the bucket wouldn't be an issue. And my widower would jump at the chance to die in self-sacrifice. He's been looking for a way to die that wasn't suicide. 

I just imagine Shepard crying uncontrollably during the sex.

[Siansonea]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...


*snip*
Well, in my 42 years of dealing with boys of all ages, I have to say that many of them get stuck at a 13-year-old maturity level and stay there well into adulthood. Not all of them, certainly, but the ratio is not insignificant. webkit-fake-url://EA1B56B4-5CD7-4BDB-92E4-24436857D74E/blushing.png 

I wonder what is to blame. I'd figure that maturity is something desirable.

I'm pretty sure it's just human nature. Maturity is clearly not an evolutionary advantage.

[ElitePinecone]

Ryzaki wrote...
There you go being hopeful again. 

Call it a bad tendency of mine 

centauri2002 wrote...
What does that even mean?

Someone get a Hudson-dictionary.

I'd venture a guess or two. They may have reconsidered the status of the romances in the month or so since the interview was held. Remember that in that time the decision was made to delay the game's release and give BW much more development time. In this case, there could be more romances planned with 'old' characters or spoilerific new characters. Who knows? 

Or, he's suggesting that BW's 'complex' plans for romances with old characters were somehow mangled by PC Gamer into the headline. Given the number of times he's said the article was flat-out mistaken, this might actually be true. 

[Ghost Warrior]

centauri2002 wrote...


No I don't know what you mean. It's just as likely, if not more so, that there'll be one or two bisexual characters on the Normandy as there would a genetically modified human or a biotic who had been experimented on since she was a child. The whole crew is a group of unlikelies.
 

It's not the same. Those characters were onboard exactly because of their abilites,Shepard tracked them down and recruited them because of it.
If he ran around the galaxy looking for bisexual people and recruiting them,then I would understand how entire team was BI,not just one of them.
But that would be a weird game

[Siansonea]

BrandNewMan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...
Sorry! But from personal experiance there are girls that go crazy over yaoi and stuff, even in gaming. Too bad Bioware won't seem to recognize that.

 

Ah don't worry about it. I'm one of them myself.   

BrandNewMan wrote...
Actually, that would be quite hilarious.

Ah true. My Shepard has no family or LI anyway so kicking the bucket wouldn't be an issue. And my widower would jump at the chance to die in self-sacrifice. He's been looking for a way to die that wasn't suicide. 

I just imagine Shepard crying uncontrollably during the sex.

Nah, Shepard would never cry. That would be a turnoff to the Straight Male Gamer**.


**Not to be confused with gamers who happen to be straight males but don't feel the need to self-identify by gender and sexual orientation.

[Ryzaki]

centauri2002 wrote...
What does that even mean?

Someone get a Hudson-dictionary.

It's sad that we need a dictionary to define this . 

Jademoon121 wrote...
I wonder what is to blame. I'd figure that maturity is something desirable.

Nah. Mature people are harder to control.  

BrandNewMan wrote...
I just imagine Shepard crying uncontrollably during the sex.

 

Nah mine wouldn't cry. Luckily he doesn't have to worry about sending his subordinate to their death. "You. Go die in my place!" the only character doing that would make him pause is Garrus. And then he would just sacrifice himself for his bro. 

[Jademoon121]

Siansonea II wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...


*snip*
Well, in my 42 years of dealing with boys of all ages, I have to say that many of them get stuck at a 13-year-old maturity level and stay there well into adulthood. Not all of them, certainly, but the ratio is not insignificant. webkit-fake-url://EA1B56B4-5CD7-4BDB-92E4-24436857D74E/blushing.png 

I wonder what is to blame. I'd figure that maturity is something desirable.

I'm pretty sure it's just human nature. Maturity is clearly not an evolutionary advantage.

I wasn't talking about evolution lol, and I doubt being immature is something in human nature, but I'm not a biologist or a pyscologist.

[Centauri2002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...


No I don't know what you mean. It's just as likely, if not more so, that there'll be one or two bisexual characters on the Normandy as there would a genetically modified human or a biotic who had been experimented on since she was a child. The whole crew is a group of unlikelies.
 

It's not the same. Those characters were onboard exactly because of their abilites,Shepard tracked them down and recruited them because of it.
If he ran around the galaxy looking for bisexual people and recruiting them,then I would understand how entire team was BI,not just one of them.
But that would be a weird game

You're missing the point. Shepard doesn't have them on the crew because of their sexuality, but because of their abilities which are absolutely not linked to their sexuality. Jack, for example, could very well be bisexual for all we know but it hasn't come up because it's not important or relevant to the situation.

Okay, let's take an example that's not related to the crew's abilities but is still unique. You have a Drell on board but there are very few in the game. That's not why Thane is on the squad, but he's still there. 

[Ghost Warrior]

Siansonea II wrote...



Why did it take so long for Garrus and Tali to say the want Shepard's levo-amino-acid booty? Yeah, crusty aliens wanting Shep's love is perfectly believable, but someone taking a little longer to decide that they want same-sex Shepard's lovin' is soooooo game breaking.<_<

You are partially right.
But Tali and Garrus had no interest in any Shepard during ME1,and then in ME2 realize their feelings for opposite-sex Shepard. I think that proves that they are not bisexual,because if they were,why don't they try something with same-sex Shep. It's still the same charismatic,powerful person,just different sex.

Same goes for ME2 characters. If they were bisexual they should discover the same feelings,regardless of Shepard's sex.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 14 mai 2011 - 04:01 .

[Siansonea]

centauri2002 wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...


No I don't know what you mean. It's just as likely, if not more so, that there'll be one or two bisexual characters on the Normandy as there would a genetically modified human or a biotic who had been experimented on since she was a child. The whole crew is a group of unlikelies.
 

It's not the same. Those characters were onboard exactly because of their abilites,Shepard tracked them down and recruited them because of it.
If he ran around the galaxy looking for bisexual people and recruiting them,then I would understand how entire team was BI,not just one of them.
But that would be a weird game

You're missing the point. Shepard doesn't have them on the crew because of their sexuality, but because of their abilities which are absolutely not linked to their sexuality. Jack, for example, could very well be bisexual for all we know but it hasn't come up because it's not important or relevant to the situation.

Okay, let's take an example that's not related to the crew's abilities but is still unique. You have a Drell on board but there are very few in the game. That's not why Thane is on the squad, but he's still there. 

And who's to say that Guy At Normandy Terminal #4 wouldn't be up for some manlove with the Cap'n? I find it hilarious that we're debating the statistical improbability of bisexuality among a squad that includes 5 humans, an asari, a turian, a quarian, a drell, a krogan, a salarian and an artificial life form.