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[Siansonea]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...



But then again, all Shepard knew back in ME1 was that Kaiden was a hetero biotic with a tendancy to get migraines. In ME3, we discover that there is another side of the coin, that Kaiden is not all straight.

But Kaiden was your friend,and part of the crew so you could have asked him (if there was an option)
In ME1 we just killed a buch of Cerberus operatives,it's hard to ask someone "why are you doing this" while they are shooting at you.

And we should really quit this Cerberus analogy because we might get very off-topic. If we haven't already,that is.

Yeah, because in real life people ask "say, you wouldn't happen to be bisexual/gay, would you?" Darn that Shepard, he should have been able to ask EVERYONE that! And yet, Shepard doesn't actually grill anyone about their sexual orientation. What's the deal, BioWare?

And as far as Cerberus goes, I don't have to ask a terrorist organization to explain why they're committing terrorist acts to know that they are terrorists. And I don't have to go along with anything they say just because they say nice things about their own organization. Especially after the leader of said organization withholds information regarding missions like Horizon. I cannot WAIT to deliver the beat-down to Cerberus in ME3, that's for sure.

[Ghost Warrior]

centauri2002 wrote...



However, I find it somewhat amusing that you don't require an option to ask if he is heterosexual to believe that is the case. 

But he can hook up with Fem Shep and I think that's pretty solid evidence that he likes women. However,he can't hook up with male Shepard. If you ask me,he is straight until proven otherwise.

[Ghost Warrior]

Mezzil wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Except, you know, the only reason FemShep can get anywhere with Kaidan is because SHE takes the lead and pursues HIM. ManShep doesn't, for whatever reason, that maybe could be this and maybe could be that. 

Kaidan is the first to show interest  when you click on the window in the Citadel.

Yes! And only with Fem Shep. Doesn't that say something?

[Centauri2002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...



However, I find it somewhat amusing that you don't require an option to ask if he is heterosexual to believe that is the case. 

But he can hook up with Fem Shep and I think that's pretty solid evidence that he likes women. However,he can't hook up with male Shepard. If you ask me,he is straight until proven otherwise.

No, that only shows he's not homosexual. He can still quite easily be bisexual as well as heterosexual. Assumptions can be a dangerous thing. 

[Ryzaki]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Except, you know, the only reason FemShep can get anywhere with Kaidan is because SHE takes the lead and pursues HIM. ManShep doesn't, for whatever reason, that maybe could be this and maybe could be that. 

Kaidan is the first to show interest  when you click on the window in the Citadel.

Yes! And only with Fem Shep. Doesn't that say something?

That he thinks FemShep would be more receptive to his advances? 
Yes it does say that. 

[Siansonea]

Mezzil wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Except, you know, the only reason FemShep can get anywhere with Kaidan is because SHE takes the lead and pursues HIM. ManShep doesn't, for whatever reason, that maybe could be this and maybe could be that. 

Kaidan is the first to show interest  when you click on the window in the Citadel.

REALLY. That's all you got? Because he can't trip over his own tongue with ManShep that "proves" he's straight? 

[Siansonea]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Except, you know, the only reason FemShep can get anywhere with Kaidan is because SHE takes the lead and pursues HIM. ManShep doesn't, for whatever reason, that maybe could be this and maybe could be that. 

Kaidan is the first to show interest  when you click on the window in the Citadel.

Yes! And only with Fem Shep. Doesn't that say something?

See above. Talk about grasping at straws.<_<

[Siansonea]

centauri2002 wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...



However, I find it somewhat amusing that you don't require an option to ask if he is heterosexual to believe that is the case. 

But he can hook up with Fem Shep and I think that's pretty solid evidence that he likes women. However,he can't hook up with male Shepard. If you ask me,he is straight until proven otherwise.

No, that only shows he's not homosexual. He can still quite easily be bisexual as well as heterosexual. Assumptions can be a dangerous thing. 

Once again, I wish people could understand the differences between the words GAY, BISEXUAL and STRAIGHT. But apparently that's too much to ask.

[Centauri2002]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Except, you know, the only reason FemShep can get anywhere with Kaidan is because SHE takes the lead and pursues HIM. ManShep doesn't, for whatever reason, that maybe could be this and maybe could be that. 

Kaidan is the first to show interest  when you click on the window in the Citadel.

Yes! And only with Fem Shep. Doesn't that say something?

That he thinks FemShep would be more receptive to his advances? 
Yes it does say that. 

Not to mention that Kaiden has fallen into the the 20th century trap of assuming all macho men are straight until proven otherwise. Aww, Kaiden, not all men can be as sensitive as you. *pats*

[Ghost Warrior]

Siansonea II wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Except, you know, the only reason FemShep can get anywhere with Kaidan is because SHE takes the lead and pursues HIM. ManShep doesn't, for whatever reason, that maybe could be this and maybe could be that. 

Kaidan is the first to show interest  when you click on the window in the Citadel.

REALLY. That's all you got? Because he can't trip over his own tongue with ManShep that "proves" he's straight? 

And what do you got?  Lack of evidence is NOT an evidence.

Last few pages,it's all assumptions. We are just debating which scenario is more likely. Nothing can be proved,it's all guessing based on what we know about characters so far.

[Centauri2002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
And what do you got?  Lack of evidence is NOT an evidence.

Last few pages,it's all assumptions. We are just debating which scenario is more likely. Nothing can be proved,it's all guessing based on what we know about characters so far.

There is the voice over acting for a Kaiden/MaleShep romance actually. It was intended but never implemented. So the character was put into Mass Effect with bisexuality in mind. Just because modern perceptions of homosexuality may have forced them to rethink this doesn't mean the character is any less likely to be bisexual.

[Ryzaki]

I wouldn't use the voice files for evidence but rather the fact that the devs did say M/M was planned but taken out at the last minute.

And who is the only male LI in the first ME1 game (since the s/s romance options are always bisexual). Oh. Kaidan.

[Ghost Warrior]

centauri2002 wrote...


There is the voice over acting for a Kaiden/MaleShep romance actually. It was intended but never implemented. So the character was put into Mass Effect with bisexuality in mind. Just because modern perceptions of homosexuality may have forced them to rethink this doesn't mean the character is any less likely to be bisexual.

We are not talking about what was intended,but what is implemented because that's obviously what the game is.
James was intended to be Sanders,but now he is Vega. When ME3 comes out,James Sanders won't be there.

[Jademoon121]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...


There is the voice over acting for a Kaiden/MaleShep romance actually. It was intended but never implemented. So the character was put into Mass Effect with bisexuality in mind. Just because modern perceptions of homosexuality may have forced them to rethink this doesn't mean the character is any less likely to be bisexual.

We are not talking about what was intended,but what is implemented because that's obviously what the game is.
James was intended to be Sanders,but now he is Vega. When ME3 comes out,James Sanders won't be there.

With enough tweaking on the PC, you CAN romance Kaiden as a man, although it wouldn't be perfect because some files are missing, but most are still there.

[Maugrim]

centauri2002 wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...
And what do you got?  Lack of evidence is NOT an evidence.

Last few pages,it's all assumptions. We are just debating which scenario is more likely. Nothing can be proved,it's all guessing based on what we know about characters so far.

There is the voice over acting for a Kaiden/MaleShep romance actually. It was intended but never implemented. So the character was put into Mass Effect with bisexuality in mind. Just because modern perceptions of homosexuality may have forced them to rethink this doesn't mean the character is any less likely to be bisexual.

This.

We actually have a dev statement about the ME1 romances written to be bisexual just not implemented due to time/zots constraints.

We actually have no evidence that any of the LI's are intended to be straight only AFAIK...

(Hi all, keep up the good fight against bad logic, I'm at Disneyland with blisters like you wouldn't believe and ornery as hell )

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 14 mai 2011 - 05:36 .

[Siansonea]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...


There is the voice over acting for a Kaiden/MaleShep romance actually. It was intended but never implemented. So the character was put into Mass Effect with bisexuality in mind. Just because modern perceptions of homosexuality may have forced them to rethink this doesn't mean the character is any less likely to be bisexual.

We are not talking about what was intended,but what is implemented because that's obviously what the game is.
James was intended to be Sanders,but now he is Vega. When ME3 comes out,James Sanders won't be there.

Regardless, even though they omitted the MaleShep/Kaidan dialogue choices for Shepard in ME1, they did not ADD anything to make Kaidan emphatically and exclusively heterosexual. They didn't change anything about Kaidan, they just made Shepard unable to go down that road. That doesn't mean one of my Shepard's wasn't considering it.

[Siansonea]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Except, you know, the only reason FemShep can get anywhere with Kaidan is because SHE takes the lead and pursues HIM. ManShep doesn't, for whatever reason, that maybe could be this and maybe could be that. 

Kaidan is the first to show interest  when you click on the window in the Citadel.

REALLY. That's all you got? Because he can't trip over his own tongue with ManShep that "proves" he's straight? 

And what do you got?  Lack of evidence is NOT an evidence.

Last few pages,it's all assumptions. We are just debating which scenario is more likely. Nothing can be proved,it's all guessing based on what we know about characters so far.

Well, that's all we've been saying all along. All we know for certain is that Kaidan is not gay, and is open to a relationship with at least one special woman, Commander Shepard. Everything else is in the realm of speculation. There is certainly room for speculation that Kaidan would be open to a relationship with one special man, Commander Shepard. No 'evidence' has been put forward by the other side that makes that impossible.

[Ryzaki]

Mezzil wrote...

Patrick Weekes claimed that they never intented to make Ashley/Kaidan bisexual: http://forums.penny-...d.php?p=5983794

I thought maybe the real reason there was no m/m romance in ME1 was because of Microsoft. A Bioware dev said that Microsoft did not want male same sex romances in Jade Empire, and Bioware had a hard time convincing MS to let them put it in.  For ME1, the devs were saying something like that ME1 was already so risky with it's voiced PC, so they couldn't give time to do same sex romances. Which I thought what they really meant was they weren't willling to fight Microsoft over even more things that Microsoft thought was risky.

Ooh thanks for the quote. 

I doubt that. I believe JE was also given founding by MS (at least I could've sworn I saw MS on the box. *checks her JE box* and that has M/M) Yup. 

So the devs are giant hypocrites. Nice. 

Well my respect has gotten even lower. 

Astonishing. 

Well I thankfully wasn't expecting it in the first place. So huzzah.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 06:00 .

[Siansonea]

Mezzil wrote...

Patrick Weekes claimed that they never intented to make Ashley/Kaidan bisexual: http://forums.penny-...d.php?p=5983794

I thought maybe the real reason there was no m/m romance in ME1 was because of Microsoft. A Bioware dev said that Microsoft did not want male same sex romances in Jade Empire, and Bioware had a hard time convincing MS to let them put it in.  For ME1, the devs were saying something like that ME1 was already so risky with it's voiced PC, so they couldn't give time to do same sex romances. Which I thought what they really meant was they weren't willling to fight Microsoft over even more things that Microsoft thought was risky.

Guess what? I'm sure Garrus and Tali weren't "planned" as LI options from the very beginning either. And to use your cohort's example, just because James Sanders was the original plan, that doesn't make James Vega any less legitimate. Maybe Patrick Weekes wasn't planning on bisexual Kaidan/Ashley, but somebody somewhere took it pretty far, going so far as to partially animate the scenes with the dialog. The fact remains that even if they didn't open the door in ME1, they didn't nail it shut either.

[Ghost Warrior]

Siansonea II wrote...



Regardless, even though they omitted the MaleShep/Kaidan dialogue choices for Shepard in ME1, they did not ADD anything to make Kaidan emphatically and exclusively heterosexual. They didn't change anything about Kaidan, they just made Shepard unable to go down that road. That doesn't mean one of my Shepard's wasn't considering it.

Look,if they don't put M/M romance romance in ME3,you can't prove your (male) Shepard being bisexual in the game. You can imagine it,but you can't prove it.

On the other hand,my Shep's actions say he's straight: he romanced Miranda (had sex with her,said he cares about her) but he never showed even the slightest interest in other men.In fact,when Mordin presumed my Shep is interested in him,Shepard literally laughed in his face. He doesn't need to say "I am not gay",his actions speak for themselves.

But you can't prove your (male) Shep being gay or bisexual since you are never able to show any interest in other men. You can play the game without romancing anyone but that doesn't prove anything. He might be gay or hetero or both,but just might.

[Ryzaki]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Look,if they don't put M/M romance romance in ME3,you can't prove your (male) Shepard being bisexual in the game. You can imagine it,but you can't prove it.

On the other hand,my Shep's actions say he's straight: he romanced Miranda (had sex with her,said he cares about her) but he never showed even the slightest interest in other men.In fact,when Mordin presumed my Shep is interested in him,Shepard literally laughed in his face. He doesn't need to say "I am not gay",his actions speak for themselves.

But you can't prove your (male) Shep being gay or bisexual since you are never able to show any interest in other men. You can play the game without romancing anyone but that doesn't prove anything. He might be gay or hetero or both,but just might.

Actually I can. My Shepard has turned down advances from every single sexy female that sent a smile his way. Including the "perfect woman." 
That doesn't seem very straight to me. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 06:07 .

[BrandNewMan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...



Regardless, even though they omitted the MaleShep/Kaidan dialogue choices for Shepard in ME1, they did not ADD anything to make Kaidan emphatically and exclusively heterosexual. They didn't change anything about Kaidan, they just made Shepard unable to go down that road. That doesn't mean one of my Shepard's wasn't considering it.

Look,if they don't put M/M romance romance in ME3,you can't prove your (male) Shepard being bisexual in the game. You can imagine it,but you can't prove it.

On the other hand,my Shep's actions say he's straight: he romanced Miranda (had sex with her,said he cares about her) but he never showed even the slightest interest in other men.In fact,when Mordin presumed my Shep is interested in him,Shepard literally laughed in his face. He doesn't need to say "I am not gay",his actions speak for themselves.

But you can't prove your (male) Shep being gay or bisexual since you are never able to show any interest in other men. You can play the game without romancing anyone but that doesn't prove anything. He might be gay or hetero or both,but just might.

Actually I can. My Shepard has turned down advances from every single sexy female that sent a smile his way. 

That doesn't seem very straight to me. 

Maybe Shepard's a priest. :innocent:

[Centauri2002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Look,if they don't put M/M romance romance in ME3,you can't prove your (male) Shepard being bisexual in the game. You can imagine it,but you can't prove it.

On the other hand,my Shep's actions say he's straight: he romanced Miranda (had sex with her,said he cares about her) but he never showed even the slightest interest in other men.In fact,when Mordin presumed my Shep is interested in him,Shepard literally laughed in his face. He doesn't need to say "I am not gay",his actions speak for themselves.

But you can't prove your (male) Shep being gay or bisexual since you are never able to show any interest in other men. You can play the game without romancing anyone but that doesn't prove anything. He might be gay or hetero or both,but just might.

My Shepard definitely proved that she's a lesbian.

So why not have a gay male Shep? Big honking double standard, I say.