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[Ryzaki]

Jademoon121 wrote...
Unless if you're Aria...

Actually that's why Aria did it She tells Shepard herself. "He has no real power but we both pretended he did by giving him a word that doesn't exist for my people." (paraphrasing)

Patriarch was a mockery of a title from Aria. It meant nothing to her at first and it has no real meaning for her people other than as an alien word. (Until Partriarch either goes down fighting). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 mai 2011 - 12:52 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Hey guys! I just saw Casey Hudson's Tweet!

It's... hopeful! Or, at the very least, more hopeful than the news from early today. At least Bioware is talking about gayShep. And maybe they'll reveal some of their discussions? I, for one, would love to see the dialogue on this issue.

...I AM DETERMINED TO REMAIN OPTOMISTIC. GAY SHEPARD FOR ME3! <3

[BrandNewMan]

I wonder if any Asari get sex changes and hormone therapy. An Asari with gender identity issues would be interesting.

[Blacklash93]

The tweet, at the very least, recognizes the double standard argument as legitimate. They're discussing it, too, which is good. Let's hope they continue this and don't revert back to brushing off the issue with their usual excuses.

"Much yet to be revealed regarding ME3"? I hope he's not just pulling our chains.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 15 mai 2011 - 01:01 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Blacklash93 wrote...

"Much yet to be revealed regarding ME3"? I hope he's not just pulling our chains.

Thissssss. The quote is perfectly ambigious, but just hopeful enough. Consider my curiousity piqued, good sir Hudson!

[Ziggy]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Em23 wrote...

That's true, but that's been their excuse for not letting mshep express his gayness too (ie the predefined shep line) so it's not a good sign when they start down that road again.... But their refusal to give a direct answer could be a good sign...

But there's also Kelly. And people have been tweeting him that the codex say Liara IS female so maybe he finally got the message.

Even if Asari weren't truly female, you'd still have to be attracted to the feminine aesthetic to be attracted to them. It's undeniably lesbian on the human's side. I'm sure Casey realizes this.

I'm sure he does too and I'm sure he also realises that their whole 'femshap/Liara not really lesbian and kelly not counted a relationship and shep as a predefined character' dance is total bs (I mean, how could you not?), but in the past that's the dance they've done when trying to answer awkward questions about ss content.

If he's acknowledging how silly those arguments were, then that's a really good sign since if they're not including it this time around they'll need a new party line and they were already scratching the barrel last time....

[Jademoon121]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...
Unless if you're Aria...

Actually that's why Aria did it She tells Shepard herself. "He has no real power but we both pretended he did by giving him a word that doesn't exist for my people." (paraphrasing)

Patriarch was a mockery of a title from Aria. It meant nothing to her at first and it has no real meaning for her people other than as an alien word. (Until Partriarch either goes down fighting). 

I didn't know that lol. Man she's brutal.

[Siansonea]

Let's not forget, if Liara isn't female, then that means that MaleShep is in a non-heterosexual relationship with her. After all, you can't be in an opposite-sex relationship with someone who isn't the opposite sex. So they either get Gay FemShep + Straight MaleShep, or both gender Shepards in non-gay but also NON-STRAIGHT relationships with Liara. So, anyone want to hazard a guess which side of that coin they'll land on? Not to mention the Codex saying asari are an all-female race and all that.

[ElitePinecone]

 

Much yet to be revealed regarding #ME3"

Hope... rising....

I'm glad catabuca got a response, at least. Kudos to CHudson for replying. 

[Blacklash93]

Em23 wrote...

I'm sure he does too and I'm sure he also realises that their whole 'femshap/Liara not really lesbian and kelly not counted a relationship and shep as a predefined character' dance is total bs (I mean, how could you not?), but in the past that's the dance they've done when trying to answer awkward questions about ss content.

Kelly really does make Bioware's argument completely void. It doesn't matter if she's considered a romance/relationship or not. Pursuing another woman is pursuing another woman. Hitting on a member of the same sex (multiple times) is exactly what it says on the tin. And having her do this for you really says it all.


You can't use the pre-defined excuse on that.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 15 mai 2011 - 01:55 .

[Blacklash93]

Good news, everyone! There's someone else we can harass with our questions on the issue!

http://twitter.com/#%21/gtez

Edit: I'm joking, of course. No one should be harassing anyone.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 15 mai 2011 - 02:14 .

[Ryzaki]

...Uh...let's not harass anyone. That's not cool.

[RaenImrahl]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Uh...let's not harass anyone. That's not cool.

Indeed.

[Blacklash93]

*sigh* Humor was never my strong suit...

Modifié par Blacklash93, 15 mai 2011 - 02:20 .

[Siansonea]

I knew it was a joke Blacklash. Harrassing isn't our style anyway, but we do want this to be 'top of mind' for the devs, and as we've seen with the Garrus and Tali fans, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". It can't hurt to ask questions now and then, and discuss any answers we get here.

[Gavinthelocust]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Good news, everyone! There's someone else we can harass with our questions on the issue!

http://twitter.com/#%21/gtez

Edit: I'm joking, of course. No one should be harassing anyone.

Anyway I'm extremely hopeful.

[ElitePinecone]

There are quite a few Mass Effect devs on Twitter, but from the looks of things it seems Casey Hudson is handling most of the fan questions - which is probably a relief for the others 

If I were to indulge in pure and rampant speculation - and that's all this is - I might suggest that the announcement of more development time for ME3 may have prompted a rethink on what sort of content could or would make it into the final game - especially, it looks like, for romances. 

The gap in rhetoric between the interview of a month ago with PC Gamer (no new love interests, new players have to pick an ME/ME2 one, no s/s) and the tweets of the past few days (discussing internally, valid questions, "some of our plans are spoilers", more to come in ME3, don't believe everything you hear in print, more surprises coming on squad members, relationships with new characters and old friends)) hints strongly at some sort of rethink.

Then again, that could be the pesky blind optimism talking. 

In any event, Casey Hudson getting Twitter was a fine idea. Relatively easier to be articulate in 140 characters than 1400. 

[Ziggy]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Em23 wrote...

I'm sure he does too and I'm sure he also realises that their whole 'femshap/Liara not really lesbian and kelly not counted a relationship and shep as a predefined character' dance is total bs (I mean, how could you not?), but in the past that's the dance they've done when trying to answer awkward questions about ss content.

Kelly really does make Bioware's argument completely void. It doesn't matter if she's considered a romance/relationship or not. Pursuing another woman is pursuing another woman. Hitting on a member of the same sex (multiple times) is exactly what it says on the tin. And having her do this for you really says it all.

You can't use the pre-defined excuse on that.

I'm still amazed they thought they could use it at all 

[Ghost Warrior]

Siansonea II wrote...

Anyone else ever notice how the anti-gay crowd completely ignores most of our points? Are they physically incapable of reading logical statements that contradict their prejudices? It's really exhausting trying to have a conversation with a group who addresses less than half of what we're saying.

Well,I made some valid points too,but you dismissed them faster than the turian Councilor.

If I don't address some of your points,that's because one of the following reasons:
1. I agree with you
2. I think it's irrelevant
3. I think it makes so little sense that I don't even want to answer it


Anyway,I see that there is hope again.Good for you

[catabuca]

With the benefit of having slept on the events of yesterday, I'm trying to look at my tweet exchange as objectively as possible.

The question I asked is the same one I've been suggesting as the one that goes to the very heart of the matter — when it comes down to it, the lack of s/s content in the game, while disappointing, simply would not have been the issue it is had there not been that double standard between fShep being able to identify as gay and pursue an appropriate relationship while mShep cannot, and all drama and disappointment and anger and sadness and frustration has stemmed from that (be it because of a series of rather unfortunate dev comments over the years, the "Liara" issue, or just general radio silence and a sense of being ignored). It has been, for me, THE central concern.

To have that recognised, even to this degree, by Hudson is, for me at least — considering the amount of myself I've put into this over the course of FftL and considering the importance this issue has for so many people — quite overwhelming. That's why I couldn't comment further last night. I wanted to think about what it really means.

And what does it really mean?

Well, first it's a recognition. For four years there was precious little save some unfortunate early comments in the old forums and further unfortunate comments as the result of questions in interviews that clearly caused dev discomfort. For four years nothing. Nothing of substance. And as time went on, certainly since the lead up to the release of ME2, it felt more and more like this issue was being ignored, we were being ignored, and it was easy to believe we were an annoying buzzing that wouldn't go away, one that they might have liked to have been able to swat, but couldn't, and so just shut us in here and went somewhere else. It was easy to get despondent. Four years will do that to someone. But now ... now there is finally a recognition that we have "valid questions". That in itself can have a powerful effect. Just to know that this thing — that for some people is not just a matter of game options but actually a question of human rights (dramatic? perhaps, but let's not forget the demographic of some of our FftL posters ... this can run as deep as that, a matter of alienation, a matter of being told who you are doesn't merit recognition of any kind, not only in game but in response to your questions) — has been recognised as being "valid", well that's a hugely important step for many, and shouldn't be underestimated.

Second, and related to that, we have been told that BioWare and the ME team are actively discussing this issue. We don't know what that means, can't guess as to what those discussions consist of, but they are discussing it. It's on their minds. Again, it's a recognition. We can't, and probably shouldn't, take that as a sign that we will, or even might, get some content in ME3, but rather take comfort, in whatever small way we can, in the knowledge that this matter is there, in their heads and in their meetings, even if it is only at the margins of discussion.

And finally, that last, enigmatic statement at the end. This is a tough one. The rest of his reply, if you were the speculatin' sort, could simply have, along with all I wrote above, indicated they are talking about these options for future ME franchise games after Shep's story is tied up. But that last part? "Much yet to be revealed regarding ME3" — Hudson didn't need to write that. Why dangle the prospect of further ME3 information at us in a tweet in that context? In a tweet directly replying to the question of why fShep can be gay and express it while mShep cannot? Why do that? Another unfortunate misstep like those in interview? Doubtful, since this is Hudson writing these words himself. He would be mindful to not allow himself to be misrepresented, and mindful to not say anything regarding ME3 that could be interpreted wrongly, or so one would hope.

And so we have the one comment that could, theoretically, sustain us for the next 10 months (although I'd like to hope we'll be getting more information during that time): but it's our responsibility now to not get carried away. This could be a tentative sign that there may, finally, be some recognition of gay mShep in the final game of the trilogy (although what form it might take is anyone's guess). Or, it might be nothing more than an acknowledgement that our concerns are valid. Even if it's only the latter, we should still take heart because it's the beginning of dialogue, and perhaps even more importantly in terms of the wellbeing of our posters, it's a vindication of the existence of FftL and a vindication of our feelings, and a vindication of who we are.

Onwards.

Modifié par catabuca, 15 mai 2011 - 11:08 .

[ElitePinecone]

@catabuca: Well said.

While I understand that we can't over-interpret the tweet, I don't think Hudson would write "Much yet to be revealed regarding ME3" lightly, especially in the context of a response to a question about the lack of m/m. Twitter isn't exactly conducive to being ambiguous, and brevity in this case, probably inspires clarity. A straight answer (pardon the pun) is possible in the form of a tweet, unlike some interview answers we've seen where the temptation is to waffle.

All in all, I'm quietly optimistic of at least some form of content in ME3. If not a full-blown squadmate romance (though this does look almost on the cards, given some of the other tweets), then at the least a recognition, in-game, of how some players see their Shepard(s).

[Cootie]

Catabuca should look back at some older walls of text, disect them and put them all together to cover every point ever made in this thread in one single mega-wall-of-text.

*nods*

[catabuca]

Cootie wrote...

Catabuca should look back at some older walls of text, disect them and put them all together to cover every point ever made in this thread in one single mega-wall-of-text.

*nods*

Don't tempt me.

(we'll ignore the fact this is sort of what i'm already doing ....)

[FataliTensei]

Catabuca you continue to impress me with how incredibly well spoken you are, expecially on an internet forum

[SkillfullyInept]

Just a bit more evidence against the "Asari aren't female" argument. Anyone remember Nef? No? Oh well, she isn't important. What's important is what she said in her diary: "Am I a freak? Morinth is a girl like me." See: Morinth is a girl... As in female. She was also worried her attraction to another female made her a freak, so I think she probably viewed that relationship as homosexual... Just sayin'...

Anyway, something more on-topic: with all the tweets, I'm allowing optimism to take over...which is probably stupid, but oh well. I'm really hoping for new LIs... And with the comment made about not all LIs being squad members, and the very vague maybe there are new LIs, maybe there aren't comments I'm kinda hoping for some M/M Joker lovin'... Anyone else with me? (I know the odds of that happening are NOT in my favor but... I can still hope, right?)