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[Dexi]

sevalaricgirl wrote...
They can let the new characters play the bi part.

Thing is, they originally said no new LIs...

So either they'll implement a couple new LIs just to make ss relationships possible, or, they'll "rewrite" some of the current character into being Bi... 

From what we know so far, if we take the official sayings as true, the second option is most likely. 

[DPSSOC]

Ryzaki wrote...

Everytime I hear someone saying sexuality should be part of one's background/history I sigh.

So should someone's heterosexuality make sense with their background/history as well? Do straight people have a special sort of background/history that gay/bisexual people don't have?

I understand not wanting established characters. But everyone's sexuality doesn't determine how they act or what their history was.

I have no problem with them going with established characters so long as it isn't hammed in (if I'm not mistaken some characters were originally planned as open to all so these should be easy to pull off).  You're right our sexuality doesn't determine how we act but it effects it.  Who we are is very much bound up in what we are.  If I were 6'6" and blonde I wouldn't be who I am right now, the changes may be small but I'd be different.  Same as if I were black, hispanic, or oriental rather than white it would change who I am.

Whether a person's sexual orientation is a natural or environmental construction (for lack of a better term) it is part of who they are and helps shape who they will be in the future.

With regards to history I was referring to any and all environmental factors that lead us to become the people we are.  A child raised in a middle-class household will grow into a very different person than if they were raised in a working-class household for example.

[Mr.House]

mya11 wrote...

I hope just not all are not bi it's not a reality !!

How is 9 people being bi not relistic? Majority of my friends are bi.

[MisterDyslexo]

Vanni127 wrote...

okay, I just found out about this. ANd while I don't have a problem with the idea of this per se, if all of the male characters suddenly start flirting with me a la dragon age 2...I'm going to be pissed. Especially if it's characters like Joker, or Garrus. Who have never even shown a hint of liking the same sex through two games.

Just for the record here I guess...I'm not gay or bi or whatever. I don't mind if there are gay/lesiban/bi characters in my games. But what I *do* mind is alternate sexuality being forced on characters for the sake of the fans.

I didn't read through this monster of a thread...and I'm fairly sure my point has been brought up before...but it bares repeating.

Thanks for reading and being civil in your responses.

Welcome to the world of almost everybody who has played a Dragon Age or Mass Effect game. I'm sure lots of people didn't like getting unknowingly pushed into a relationship with Ash, Kaidan, or Liara in the first, while there very easily could have been zero inclination of getting romantically involved at any point for two of the characters, based on how you conversed. Maybe it was just because they didn't like the character, or perhaps because they didn't want to be hit on by someone of the opposite sex, maybe it was because they were an alien, or maybe because Ash was too religious for some. Almost everyone has a valid and civil point for not forcing romances, and Bioware has learned, taken notes, and tried to execute in Dragon Age 2. While not a perfect success, it was still done pretty damn well, and hopefully, people won't be forced to get hit on anymore.

Unless the game has like a mandatory romance for the purpose of the main plot or something, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[sevalaricgirl]

Ryzaki wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...
Wrong, it is very obvious in DA2 that Anders, Merril, Isabel and Fenris are bi.  Fenris - the slave master comes out and said that Fenris was "very good" for other things, Anders - whiny and likes men who are 30 yrs older than him, Isabela comes right out and hits on a female Hawke.  It was ridiculous.  DAO was so much better with only a couple of bi choices.  I don't mind them having bi sexuals in the game but if they do it to my Kaidan who is an obviously straight marine, I'll be completed pissed off.  They can let the new characters play the bi part.

...Did you just suggest rape is about one's sexual orientation?  Seriously? I hope that you're not raped by a woman or you'd find yourself bisexual. 

You have no clue how old Karl is so please don't speak about thinks like they're facts. 

And yes "your" Kaidan. 

Please, ok the man looks likes he's 30 yrs older than Anders.  Does that please you????? 

[Mr.House]

Dexi wrote...

Thing is, they originally said no new LIs...

So either they'll implement a couple new LIs just to make ss relationships possible, or, they'll "rewrite" some of the current character into being Bi... 

From what we know so far, if we take the official sayings as true, the second option is most likely. 

There is no rewriting involved since no characters but Jack have stated they are only straight.

[PMC65]

Vanni127 wrote...

okay, I just found out about this. ANd while I don't have a problem with the idea of this per se, if all of the male characters suddenly start flirting with me a la dragon age 2...I'm going to be pissed. Especially if it's characters like Joker, or Garrus. Who have never even shown a hint of liking the same sex through two games.

Just for the record here I guess...I'm not gay or bi or whatever. I don't mind if there are gay/lesiban/bi characters in my games. But what I *do* mind is alternate sexuality being forced on characters for the sake of the fans.

I didn't read through this monster of a thread...and I'm fairly sure my point has been brought up before...but it bares repeating.

Thanks for reading and being civil in your responses.

Or how your Shepard will start acting around them ... that can be even worse. Shepard starts flexing around Garrus and asking if he wants to "wrestle" ....

[diskoh]

PMC65 wrote...
Or how your Shepard will start acting around them ... that can be even worse. Shepard starts flexing around Garrus and asking if he wants to "wrestle" ....

Quite a specific and strange idea of how gay men act around each other. Been thinking about this?

[Ryzaki]

sevalaricgirl wrote...
Please, ok the man looks likes he's 30 yrs older than Anders.  Does that please you?????  

Actually he doesn't. Anders himself is about 26. Karl doesn't look older than mid 30s to me. His hair is grey but some people grey early. 

And I notice you don't acknowledge the fact that rape =/= sexuality. What a surprise. 

[PMC65]

Mr.House wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Thing is, they originally said no new LIs...

So either they'll implement a couple new LIs just to make ss relationships possible, or, they'll "rewrite" some of the current character into being Bi... 

From what we know so far, if we take the official sayings as true, the second option is most likely. 

There is no rewriting involved since no characters but Jack have stated they are only straight.

Her lips said "no" but her eyes said "yes" ... and she has been in bed with women. She just pushes poor Shep away.  She can do a threesome with iddy & biddy but not the Citadel Saviour? I knew she was CRAZY!

[Siansonea]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I just don't want it shoved down my throat and I'll be happy. From what I've heard, DA2 did this to an extent (haven't played it yet), so I hope ME3 doesn't.

It didn't

Some people apparently thought hitting one of the options with the little heart on it somehow wouldn't lead to a romance. That is the ONLY way to initiate a romance.

Wrong, it is very obvious in DA2 that Anders, Merril, Isabel and Fenris are bi.  Fenris - the slave master comes out and said that Fenris was "very good" for other things, Anders - whiny and likes men who are 30 yrs older than him, Isabela comes right out and hits on a female Hawke.  It was ridiculous.  DAO was so much better with only a couple of bi choices.  I don't mind them having bi sexuals in the game but if they do it to my Kaidan who is an obviously straight marine, I'll be completed pissed off.  They can let the new characters play the bi part.

While I certainly wouldn't want to upset any fans of existing characters, I do wonder why Kaidan being open to s/s with MaleShep would diminish your experience in your FemShep game. It's not like Kaidan would be romancing a man in that game. Why is the idea of dating a bisexual so repugnant? If anything, one should be flattered that a bisexual chose your Hawke/Shepard/you. They have a lot more options than either heterosexuals or homosexuals, and they picked you/Shepard/Hawke.

Don't really see how Kaidan is "obviously straight" either. I mean, I don't think he's "obviously bisexual" either, it could go either way with him, the only thing he couldn't be is exclusively homosexual at this point. The same could be said of every character who hasn't flat-out stated in the game "I only like men" or "I only like women" or "I don't want either one".

[iamthespark]

What?!! This is great news! I can't believe it.

[Clonedzero]

personally if i were to make some of the existing characters bi my choices would probably be.

Kaidan and Thane. possibly jacob.
Ashley and Jack. possibly tali

oh and i guess liara counts? lol

why? well they just seem to be the most believable choices in those circumstances, like i wouldnt be shocked to find out they were bi. garrus and miranda however i'd be more like "hmm, that doesnt seem right"

[Ryzaki]

DPSSOC wrote...
I have no problem with them going with established characters so long as it isn't hammed in (if I'm not mistaken some characters were originally planned as open to all so these should be easy to pull off).  You're right our sexuality doesn't determine how we act but it effects it.  Who we are is very much bound up in what we are.  If I were 6'6" and blonde I wouldn't be who I am right now, the changes may be small but I'd be different.  Same as if I were black, hispanic, or oriental rather than white it would change who I am.

Maybe for you. Some people's orientation only changes slight things about them and actions are far more affected than personality to me than sexuality. I don't react in certain ways because I'm straight but rather because of what I've experienced. 

That said race has a bunch f other societial pressures. To me those pressures are what makes the differences not the color of one's skin. 

Whether a person's sexual orientation is a natural or environmental construction (for lack of a better term) it is part of who they are and helps shape who they will be in the future.

And I only believe it plays a small part. 

With regards to history I was referring to any and all environmental factors that lead us to become the people we are.  A child raised in a middle-class household will grow into a very different person than if they were raised in a working-class household for example.

Except a straight child and gay child can be raised in the same exact household and turn out with different sexualities. 

[Mr.House]

PMC65 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Thing is, they originally said no new LIs...

So either they'll implement a couple new LIs just to make ss relationships possible, or, they'll "rewrite" some of the current character into being Bi... 

From what we know so far, if we take the official sayings as true, the second option is most likely. 

There is no rewriting involved since no characters but Jack have stated they are only straight.

Her lips said "no" but her eyes said "yes" ... and she has been in bed with women. She just pushes poor Shep away.  She can do a threesome with iddy & biddy but not the Citadel Saviour? I knew she was CRAZY!

Just saying, she ist he only character that says she in not intrested in women, if she is bi, yes here is rewriting but the other characters? No, there is no rewriting. People are just scared because there LI is intrested in the same gender, guess it hurts there ego.

[HopHazzard]

I have to say, I never thought this would happen in Mass Effect. Very happy to have been wrong.

[sevalaricgirl]

Ryzaki wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...
Please, ok the man looks likes he's 30 yrs older than Anders.  Does that please you?????  

Actually he doesn't. Anders himself is about 26. Karl doesn't look older than mid 30s to me. His hair is grey but some people grey early. 

And I notice you don't acknowledge the fact that rape =/= sexuality. What a surprise. 

I didn't mention rape because I don't want to go there.  That is just too close personally.  I am 49 and I am not in the slightest gray.  Hubby is 52 and not in the slightest gray so no I don't think so.  And as far as me saying "my Kaidan" that was slip.  I'm straight, don't care whether anyone is gay, bi or straight but I hope Hudson has the sense to do the it right this time.  People, you are the minority and not the majority.  Bioware already has lost a lot of fans because of DA2.  They may lose even more.

[Haristo]

Lesbian Shep FTW ! Great !

[Ryzaki]

PMC65 wrote...

Or how your Shepard will start acting around them ... that can be even worse. Shepard starts flexing around Garrus and asking if he wants to "wrestle" ....

I'd feel worse but FemShep already acts like a cat in heat around Jacob. It being hetero doesn't make it any less inducing. Same with Tali giggling and blushing around my Dude Shep.

[Shepard Lives]

Oh Gawd this is amazing. I am in awe.

I trust they'll pull it off realistically, without making it seem contrived or out of character.
DAII did a fantastic job of it, but the premise is different.
Firstly, I suppose the stigma against homosexuality still exists in the ME world (whereas it's a lot less prominent in DA), so it wouldn't make much sense to have a lot of bisexuals on the crew. Most homosexuals are probably still using don't ask don't tell, or maybe they're simply repressed.

Secondly, they should refrain, however I may hunger for some Thane booty, from giving us a S/S option for already-introduced characters. It'd just feel weird.
Give us two new squaddies and make them bi, a la DAO. James Vega, maybe? I've always wanted to shag a spaniard. If he's a spaniard. *crosses fingers*

I'm deeply proud of you, Bio. If I had a loyalty power, you'd have probably unlocked it with this announcement. Now don't screw up (which I'm fairly certain you won't) the writing for these 'mances and everything will be GLORIOUS FABULOUS.

[Zulmoka531]

Mr.House wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Thing is, they originally said no new LIs...

So either they'll implement a couple new LIs just to make ss relationships possible, or, they'll "rewrite" some of the current character into being Bi... 

From what we know so far, if we take the official sayings as true, the second option is most likely. 

There is no rewriting involved since no characters but Jack have stated they are only straight.

Her lips said "no" but her eyes said "yes" ... and she has been in bed with women. She just pushes poor Shep away.  She can do a threesome with iddy & biddy but not the Citadel Saviour? I knew she was CRAZY!

Just saying, she ist he only character that says she in not intrested in women, if she is bi, yes here is rewriting but the other characters? No, there is no rewriting. People are just scared because there LI is intrested in the same gender, guess it hurts there ego.

I don't really think it's ego, but more of changing what people have already considered a canon personality for the characters they know.  And keep in mind, I'm not against the s/s relationships, but it needs to be handled carefully in regards to rewriting or it'll just come off as forced, and im my silly own opion, cheapening the characters for the sake of implementing the option in the first place.

It doesn't just hurt straight gamers, it would hurt gay/bi gamers as well in this regard.

[PMC65]

diskoh wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
Or how your Shepard will start acting around them ... that can be even worse. Shepard starts flexing around Garrus and asking if he wants to "wrestle" ....

Quite a specific and strange idea of how gay men act around each other. Been thinking about this?

My gay friend actually made the suggestion knowing that Garrus loves to wrestle. So specific, yes - strange, no.
OK, he is a little strange but we love him.  

[JetsoverEverything]

Mr.House wrote...

mya11 wrote...

I hope just not all are not bi it's not a reality !!

How is 9 people being bi not relistic? Majority of my friends are bi.

and majority of mine are straight whats your point?

[Ryzaki]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I didn't mention rape because I don't want to go there.  That is just too close personally.  I am 49 and I am not in the slightest gray.  Hubby is 52 and not in the slightest gray so no I don't think so.  And as far as me saying "my Kaidan" that was slip.  I'm straight, don't care whether anyone is gay, bi or straight but I hope Hudson has the sense to do the it right this time.  People, you are the minority and not the majority.  Bioware already has lost a lot of fans because of DA2.  They may lose even more.

Then as someone who has been personally affeted by rape you should be full aware that it has nothing to do with one's sexuality. Insunating that because someone was raped by someone they're sexually attracted to their gender or even them is downright offensive.

And you not going grey early =/= no one going grey early. I know quite a few people with completely grey hair in the middle 30s. 

People? I'm straight hun. And FYI you're the minority too being female.

BW lost fans because DA2 was rushed as all heck. Not because all the LIs was bi. 

Every review critising DA2 had a pretty similar list of flaws and *gasps* the romances were rarely on them.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 mai 2011 - 09:08 .