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[-Skorpious-]

jlb524 wrote...

Bolboreta wrote...

Then they should have done it in ME2, don't you think that? Because if he were bi, he wouldn't have minded mShep flirted with him. Or Tali would be interested in a fShep too, not only for friendship. 

The problem is that Shepard couldn't show interest in them in ME2, not the other way around.

Perhaps Garrus wouldn't mine if MShep flirted with him if MShep could flirt with him.

All I'm saying is that the DA2 characters were written/designed to be pursued by other genders from the start - ME characters were not. Garrus isn't available for men in ME and ME2, so why should this chage in ME3? Why should a character who has been with Shepard from the beginning, who has had years to develop feelings for him and has never acted on said possible feelings, suddenly decide "Hey wanna hook up", a few months later? The same goes for Tali.

Wouldn't you rather have a unique LI with his own, unique personality rather than pursue a character who has given Shepard the supposed cold shoulder for two straight games?

[Jademoon121]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Dudes, bros, Garrus mentioned he banged a chick once. That means he's totally straight, always has been straight, and will never stray from his awesome, manly straightness and desire to nail chicks.

He mentioned that he banged ONE chick ONCE. Who says there can't be more to Garrus than he lets on?

[Jademoon121]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Dudes, bros, Garrus mentioned he banged a chick once. That means he's totally straight, always has been straight, and will never stray from his awesome, manly straightness and desire to nail chicks.

He mentioned that he banged ONE chick ONCE. Who says there can't be more to Garrus than he lets on?

[Clonedzero]

Jack never told you she has spiderman powers and can crawl on walls. she never said she didnt so its open game!

[Mr.House]

-Skorpious- wrote...

All I'm saying is that the DA2 characters were written/designed to be pursued by other genders from the start - ME characters were not. Garrus isn't available for men in ME and ME2, so why should this chage in ME3? Why should a character who has been with Shepard from the beginning, who has had years to develop feelings for him and has never acted on said possible feelings, suddenly decide "Hey wanna hook up", a few months later? The same goes for Tali.

Wouldn't you rather have a unique LI with his own, unique personality rather than pursue a character who has given Shepard the supposed cold shoulder for two straight games?

All LI are unique with there own personality, no matter who can romance them

[Ryzaki]

All I'm saying is that the DA2 characters were written/designed to be pursued by other genders from the start - ME characters were not. Garrus isn't available for men in ME and ME2, so why should this chage in ME3? Why should a character who has been with Shepard from the beginning, who has had years to develop feelings for him and has never acted on said possible feelings, suddenly decide "Hey wanna hook up", a few months later? The same goes for Tali.

Where is this Garrus who said he had feelings for friendship FemShepard? She didn't have to reject Garrus' feelings (unlike my dude SHep and Tali). She has to bring it up for Garrus to even *consider* it.And since some FemSheps had no desire to screw a turian, Garrus never developed any feelings other than friendship.

It's right there in the game.

As for Tali. Ick. She showed no feelings for my renedouche in ME1 but suddenly is blushing and saying se wants to link suits. DO NOT WANT.

But miracle of miracles. I dealt with it. At least in ME3 you'll still be able to talk to Garrus if you don't romance him. All I got was a "go away shepard." from Tali because I didn't want to screw her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 12:07 .

[Siansonea]

Clonedzero wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

None of the LIs ever said they where straight, thus there is no rewriting. Just because one gender could not romance them in one game means nothing at all.

thats really lazy and dumb logic. none of them said they had a jetpack fused to their back under their skin so they can now fly.

kaidan never mentioned it, but he's the prince of an asian kingdom that has access to giant robots that shoot lasers out their mouths, he never said he wasnt so its ok!

seriously, this sort of logic only leads to BAD writing.

Or a Tali romance. Or any number of things that weren't in ME1 but were in ME2. Seriously Kaidan saying 'of course I'm bisexual Shepard' is not the same as saying 'I am the prince of an Asian kingdom and I have robots and blah blah blah'. Unless you're saying that somehow in the Mass Effect universe, both bisexuality and Asian kingdoms with giant robots are equally mythical.

[Mr.House]

Clonedzero wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

None of the LIs ever said they where straight, thus there is no rewriting. Just because one gender could not romance them in one game means nothing at all.

thats really lazy and dumb logic. none of them said they had a jetpack fused to their back under their skin so they can now fly.

kaidan never mentioned it, but he's the prince of an asian kingdom that has access to giant robots that shoot lasers out their mouths, he never said he wasnt so its ok!

seriously, this sort of logic only leads to BAD writing.

Kaidan could be a prince for all we know, it was never talked about

[Placeholder1]

Mr.House wrote...

Placeholder1 wrote...

Space Toaster wrote...

I feel like they probably won't make previous squad mates available again for romance.

Hopefully this turns out be the case I'm fine with same sex romances being added for those interested but so long as it involves character(s) new to the series not retconning characters from previous games and maybe some sort of indication that certain diaglogue options will lead into a romance.

There is no retconning since the characters never told you they where straight and since you where never able to flirt with them if your the same gender, you don't know.

A fair point perhapes some sort of option to specifcy which option to choose at the begining of the game, thus avoiding same sex party members coming onto you or allowing it if one wants that option.

[ElitePinecone]

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[Paraxial]

Clonedzero wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

None of the LIs ever said they where straight, thus there is no rewriting. Just because one gender could not romance them in one game means nothing at all.

thats really lazy and dumb logic. none of them said they had a jetpack fused to their back under their skin so they can now fly.

kaidan never mentioned it, but he's the prince of an asian kingdom that has access to giant robots that shoot lasers out their mouths, he never said he wasnt so its ok!

seriously, this sort of logic only leads to BAD writing.

I agree. A characters lack of explicity stating his/her sexual orientation does not mean that it has not been implied during the course of the story. If a character does not show any sort of romantic or erotic inclination towards the same sex one can safely assume that the individual in question is heterosexual or asexual in the orientation.

Not writing a character with a sexuality is lazy and fake. I'm surprised so many people support it. Your sexuality is an enormous part of who you are, because it directly affects your development as a person. If you are a homosexual why would you not want to have a homosexual only romance? Why is it that you can only romance someone of the same gender if they are bisexual? It's ridiculous and phony.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 16 mai 2011 - 12:10 .

[Lord Atlia]

If they go the DA:O route where everyone's preference is part of their character than thumbs up. If they go the DA2 route where anyone is game than thumbs down. I would much prefer they went the Fallout New Vegas style where you picked a perk that defined you orientation and revealed that of the other characters.

[Clonedzero]

Nyoka wrote...

Coming out of the closet is just as strange as being able to fly or being the prince of an asian kingdom.

exaggerated examples to show my point.

just because someone doesnt say they are specifically something doesnt mean they can be written as something every other part of the writing says they arent.

the fact of the matter is you're changing established characters who have shown absolutely NO interest in the same sex and only showed interestin the opposite sex.

im not worried about s/s relationships being in the game, im 100% for that.
im worried about bad writing. i hate bad writing, we all should, its bad.

making some of the characters suddenly bi is bad writing in a couple of circumstances, garrus being the clearest example.

[Siansonea]

Clonedzero wrote...

Jack never told you she has spiderman powers and can crawl on walls. she never said she didnt so its open game!

The fact that you equate this with "yeah, I'm bisexual, you didn't know, Shepard?" speaks volumes.

[Mr.House]

Bible Doctor wrote...
I agree. A characters lack of explicity stating his/her sexual orientation does not mean that it has not been implied during the course of the story. If a character does not show any sort of romantic or erotic inclination towards the same sex one can safely assume that the individual in question is heterosexual or asexual in the orientation.

While true, Shepard was never able to hint they had feelings, for example Garrus only talks about his feelings for Shepard AFTER she flired with him. Maleshep was never able to flirt thus Garrus never came out thus people assume he is straight, and that's not the case.

[Ryzaki]

Bible Doctor wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

None of the LIs ever said they where straight, thus there is no rewriting. Just because one gender could not romance them in one game means nothing at all.

thats really lazy and dumb logic. none of them said they had a jetpack fused to their back under their skin so they can now fly.

kaidan never mentioned it, but he's the prince of an asian kingdom that has access to giant robots that shoot lasers out their mouths, he never said he wasnt so its ok!

seriously, this sort of logic only leads to BAD writing.

I agree. A characters lack of explicity stating his/her sexual orientation does not mean that it has not been implied during the course of the story. If a character does not show any sort of romantic or erotic inclination towards the same sex one can safely assume that the individual in question is heterosexual or asexual in the orientation.

Not writing a character with a sexuality is lazy and fake. I'm surprised so many people support it. your sexuality is an enormous part of who you are, because it directly affects your development as a person. If you are a homosexual why would you not want to have a homosexual only romance? Why is it that you can only romance someone of the same gender if they are bisexual? It's ridiculous and phony.

And if you turn out to be wrong in your assumption that's *your* fault for assuming. That's not the games fault. The game didn't "trick" you. You just were wrong. It happens in RL as well.

Actually as a writer myself the only time I think about a character's sexuality is if its of any importance to the story. And while *your* sexuality maybe an enormous part of who *you* are don't presume to think its the same for other people. You =/= everyone else.

Homosexual only romances aren't likely due to resources. We're being realistic in asking for a bisexual option. Maybe the day will come where a homosexual exclusive option is finacially viable. AT the current moment that's not the case.

As for ridculous and phoney. Not at all. Plenty of bisexual people have a s/s partner. Being bisexual doesn't mean you can't love someone of the s/s as strongly as you do someone of the o/s. It's not ridculous or phoney at all.

I don't write my characters and go "oh he'll act like this because he's straight!" Unless it has to do with someone flirting or hiting on them. And even then they'e personality will play a large role. I have straight males turn down females because its in character to do so. And that sometimes has little to do with their sexuality. only time I find myself focusing on my characters sexualities is when I'm writing romance/sex. Otherwise who cares? 

That said I'm not a master writer so maybe I'm wrong. *shrugs* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 12:15 .

[jlb524]

Bolboreta wrote...

Of course, but why? Why he didn't show interest? He could do it with every single female in the ship.

My guess...the devs didn't want gaymance in ME2.  Now they will add it in.  We'll just have to wait and see how they do it.

I mean, why would MaleShep mack on the ladies when most of them didn't show interest before hand? 

[-Skorpious-]

Ryzaki wrote...

All I'm saying is that the DA2 characters were written/designed to be pursued by other genders from the start - ME characters were not. Garrus isn't available for men in ME and ME2, so why should this chage in ME3? Why should a character who has been with Shepard from the beginning, who has had years to develop feelings for him and has never acted on said possible feelings, suddenly decide "Hey wanna hook up", a few months later? The same goes for Tali.

Where is this Garrus who said he had feelings for friendship FemShepard? She didn't have to reject Garrus' feelings (unlike my dude SHep and Tali). She has to bring it up for Garrus to even *consider* it.

Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight? 

Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

[Elite Midget]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Dudes, bros, Garrus mentioned he banged a chick once. That means he's totally straight, always has been straight, and will never stray from his awesome, manly straightness and desire to nail chicks.

That sounds like a certian person I know who nailed a chick and bragged about it but when pressed he admited that in the past he's been in a romantic relationship with a man. Garrus could easily be just like that.

[Siansonea]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

All I'm saying is that the DA2 characters were written/designed to be pursued by other genders from the start - ME characters were not. Garrus isn't available for men in ME and ME2, so why should this chage in ME3? Why should a character who has been with Shepard from the beginning, who has had years to develop feelings for him and has never acted on said possible feelings, suddenly decide "Hey wanna hook up", a few months later? The same goes for Tali.

Where is this Garrus who said he had feelings for friendship FemShepard? She didn't have to reject Garrus' feelings (unlike my dude SHep and Tali). She has to bring it up for Garrus to even *consider* it.

Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight? 

Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

180? More like 30. I bet a  human male doesn't look all that different from a human female to a turian—and the both look a LOT like asari. They don't even have exoskeletons.

[Ryzaki]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight?

Or it could mean that they didn't want him to be an LI in the first game. Considering that the ME team considers the Asari female but in interviews go through great lengths to say they're "asexual" despite the codex rebunking that. It's called politics.

And no the only thing it tells me is that the ME team specifically designed Garrus to be a FemShep romance option and didn't have him turn down Shepard. If he *had* turned down male Shepard then I'd consider him specifically straight. He doesn't. Shepard was "pre-defined" to be straight and couldn't even hit on Garrus. Shepard's sexuality made the m/m Garrusmance impossible. Not Garrus himself.

Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

There is no 180. Male Shepard never brought it up. Garrus never says he's not interested in Male Shepard. There's nothing to contradict.