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[Elite Midget]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight? 

Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

Aren't you one of those that support the new Ashley despite it being a compete 180 for her character? Oh, the irony.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

-Skorpious- wrote...
Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight?
Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

Garrus wasn't a romance in ME1.  I made the assumption that he wasn't into humans or that Shepard wasn't into him.
ME2 happened.  My assumption is now canonically wrong.

Garrus is romanceable in ME2 by a female Shepard.  You made the assumption that he wasn't into men.
And when ME3 happens mayhap your assumption will be canonically wrong as well.

Quite simple, really.  A woman who lost her virginity to a man is not thereby required to sleep only with men, even if she never considered sleeping with a woman at that time.

[Clonedzero]

Siansonea II wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Jack never told you she has spiderman powers and can crawl on walls. she never said she didnt so its open game!

The fact that you equate this with "yeah, I'm bisexual, you didn't know, Shepard?" speaks volumes.

i dont equate it.  all i was doing was giving exaggerated examples of things.

in context with the existing story, what makes you think garrus could be bi? ONLY using actual evidence from the games, not saying "well he never said he wasnt" because thats the weakest excuse ever.

my point was to show how dumb and dangerous of a writing tool "well they never said they werent" is.

you can turn it into a witchhunt if you want, i just want it to make sense in context with the characters. with garrus it makes absolutely NO sense. hell the romance with femshep doesnt really make sense either.

however you could easily write kaidan as being bi without making it seem super awkward and forced. you could have him admit the reason he never did anything with that girl in BAaT was because he was confused and didnt know what he wanted. that actually makes sense.

garrus just being like "oh btw im bi now apparently" is really ****** poor writing.

i care about the writing, i find it distressing that you dont as long as you get your s/s romances.

[jlb524]

-Skorpious- wrote...
All I'm saying is that the DA2 characters were written/designed to be pursued by other genders from the start - ME characters were not.

True, but that's not a big deal to me.  Neither Tali or Garrus was written/designed to be pursued by any Shepard from the start either...but we know how that ended.

-Skorpious- wrote...
Garrus isn't available for men in ME and ME2, so why should this chage in ME3? Why should a character who has been with Shepard from the beginning, who has had years to develop feelings for him and has never acted on said possible feelings, suddenly decide "Hey wanna hook up", a few months later? The same goes for Tali.

I'm not saying it should change and this absolutely must happen (I personally don't care one way or the other...I don't play ManShep and don't care much for Garrus).   I will say that if they do have Garrus go for MShep, I'd support that and I feel they could pull it off just as well as they pulled of the Garrus/FShep romance in ME2.  Some people seem to think that they absolutely shouldn't do it/can't pull it off and I feel that this is wrong.

-Skorpious- wrote...
Wouldn't you rather have a unique LI with his own, unique personality rather than pursue a character who has given Shepard the supposed cold shoulder for two straight games?

Again, this character didn't give Shepard the cold shoulder...Shepard never pursued it.  I can't speak for myself, but it seems some people really love Garrus and his personality and would still prefer him over some new guy.

[Clonedzero]

Elite Midget wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight? 

Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

Aren't you one of those that support the new Ashley despite it being a compete 180 for her character? Oh, the irony.

how is new ashley a complete 180 of her character? we havent seen or heard of anything that indicates that other than a picture of her with her hair down and in a different outfit. i wasnt aware ashley's stupid unattractive hair bun was a defining aspect of her personality lol

[Ryzaki]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...
Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight?
Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

Garrus wasn't a romance in ME1.  I made the assumption that he wasn't into humans or that Shepard wasn't into him.
ME2 happened.  My assumption is now canonically wrong.

Garrus is romanceable in ME2 by a female Shepard.  You made the assumption that he wasn't into men.
And when ME3 happens mayhap your assumption will be canonically wrong as well.

Quite simple, really.  A woman who lost her virginity to a man is not thereby required to sleep only with men, even if she never considered sleeping with a woman at that time.

Also this.

Sometimes you think someone's straight and they're not.

It happens.

[Paraxial]

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually as a writer myself the only time I think about a character's sexuality is if its of any importance to the story.

And in this case it is a huge part of the character development and could be important to the main storyline.

Mr.House wrote...And while *your* sexuality maybe an enormous part of who *you* are don't presume to think its the same for other people. You =/= everyone else.

Implying that sexual development isn't a huge part of what molds any person into the psycholgical and emotional being that they are during the course of their life.

Mr.House wrote...As for ridculous and phoney. Not at all. Plenty of bisexual people have a s/s partner. Being bisexual doesn't mean you can't love someone of the s/s as strongly as you do someone of the o/s. It's not ridculous or phoney at all.

That isn't what I was referring to at all. It is ridiculous and phony to write everyone as some sort of ambiguous sexuality, it takes away from the depth of the character. It makes them seem more like a tool inserted into the game to appease and pander to the audience rather than to be deep and engaging parts of the story.

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Nyoka wrote...
So you talk with a woman, and if she is not attracted to you, you assume she is either a lesbian or asexual.

You're assuming that i'm not asexual myself.

Edit - Well that was strange.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 16 mai 2011 - 12:33 .

[Jademoon121]

What about Kaiden or James?

[Paraxial]

Edit - What in the **** just happened?

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 16 mai 2011 - 12:24 .

[Dark Eff3ct]

I could see Thane<3, Jack, Kaidan:wub:, and maybe Tali being interested in both Male and Female lol

[Elite Midget]

Clonedzero wrote...
  how is new ashley a complete 180 of her character? we havent seen or heard of anything that indicates that other than a picture of her with her hair down and in a different outfit. i wasnt aware ashley's stupid unattractive hair bun was a defining aspect of her personality lol

Catsuit and no more armor.

That is all.

[-Skorpious-]

Elite Midget wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight? 

Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

Aren't you one of those that support the new Ashley despite it being a compete 180 for her character? Oh, the irony.

God no. I hate the new Ashley. What gave you the impression that I support the new Ashley?

[Ryzaki]

I cannot read that...heap of quotes.

[Foryou]

I thought there weren't going to be new LI's in ME3

[HopHazzard]

Bible Doctor wrote...

I agree. A characters lack of explicity stating his/her sexual orientation does not mean that it has not been implied during the course of the story. If a character does not show any sort of romantic or erotic inclination towards the same sex one can safely assume that the individual in question is heterosexual or asexual in the orientation.

Not true. I've never expressed romantic or erotic inclination toward any of the men I work with. I've also never told them I'm gay. It's incredibly likely they all assume I'm a heterosexual. That doesn't make it so. You can't safely assume someone isn't gay just because they've never hit on a guy in front of you.

If you are a homosexual why would you not want to have a homosexual only romance? Why is it that you can only romance someone of the same gender if they are bisexual? It's ridiculous and phony.

It's not that I don't want a homosexual only romance. But the way things are right now, that's very unlikely and I'm willing to take what I can get. A purely m/m romance just isn't worth the time and resources it would take to implement for the number of people who would actually pursue it. So a bisexual option that's also available to female characters is the option that meets the need of the most players with the least cost to the developers.

[Mr.House]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...
Allow me to be blunt if you please. Garrus was not romancable in ME; fans wanted that changed, so he was made a romance in ME2 - a FEMALE only romance. Now lets look at Anders, a non-romanceable DAO character in DA2 -he was made a LI for both genders, not just for woman. Shouldn't this tell you that the ME team specifically designed Garrus, who has had two games to consider his sexuality, to be straight?
Why should his character pull a sudden 180 when there are more, possibly better LI's to be designed specifically for ME3?

Garrus wasn't a romance in ME1.  I made the assumption that he wasn't into humans or that Shepard wasn't into him.
ME2 happened.  My assumption is now canonically wrong.

Garrus is romanceable in ME2 by a female Shepard.  You made the assumption that he wasn't into men.
And when ME3 happens mayhap your assumption will be canonically wrong as well.

Quite simple, really.  A woman who lost her virginity to a man is not thereby required to sleep only with men, even if she never considered sleeping with a woman at that time.

Best post today.

[Ryzaki]

Bible Doctor wrote...

And in this case it is a huge part of the character development and could be important to the main storyline.

Where did you get the view that the romances (while always on the sidelines) would be important to the main storyline? 

Implying that sexual development isn't a huge part of what molds any person into the psycholgical and emotional being that they are during the course of their life.

Sexual development has alot more than just sexual prerferences involved. A lot more. Body image, gender identity, and a whole lot of other stuff is involved with that. So yes I find that to play a large view in someone's life. But not due to just sexual preferences.

That isn't what I was referring to at all. It is ridiculous and phony to write everyone as some sort of ambiguous sexuality, it takes away from the depth of the character. It makes them seem more like a tool inserted into the game to appease and pander to the audience rather than to be deep and engaging parts of the story.

And that's exactly how I felt all the romanes were to being with in ME especially. That's rather subjective. I don't believe that to be the case at all with s/s romances or the romances period in the DA games. The ME games however to me felt like pandering and felt out of place.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 12:30 .

[Elite Midget]

-Skorpious- wrote...


God no. I hate the new Ashley. What gave you the impression that I support the new Ashley?

Than my apologizes. I've run into many that support New Ashley though they were never ashley Fans in the first place and they tended to use Tali and Garrus Avatars.

[Clonedzero]

Elite Midget wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
  how is new ashley a complete 180 of her character? we havent seen or heard of anything that indicates that other than a picture of her with her hair down and in a different outfit. i wasnt aware ashley's stupid unattractive hair bun was a defining aspect of her personality lol

Catsuit and no more armor.

That is all.

and we know she wears that in combat right? oh wait no we dont...
and we all know her outfit completely defines her character right? oh wait nope not true.
and we know thats her primary outfit right? oh wait....we dont.

i see no 180 in her character. freak out over a single screenshot some more please.

[Clonedzero]

mrsph wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Sometimes you think someone's straight and they're not.

It happens.

My cousin was married to a woman for years, had kids, and then came out of the cloest. So, yeah. It does happen.

thats a really really horrible thing to do to a woman. i feel really bad for her.

[-Skorpious-]

I guess I have to respectfully disagree with those who are constantly replying to my posts. We all have differing opinions (mine is no better than yours and vice-versa), and are essentially arguing over speculation at this point.

Until a dev confirms that Garrus is indeed bisexual, I will refrain from complaining in this thread.

Actually, this applies to most of the ME crew as well. Kaidan is the only M/M romance I readily support, just as how Jack is the only F/F romance I would agree with (asides from the Asari). 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 16 mai 2011 - 12:33 .

[Mr.House]

Clonedzero wrote...
and we know she wears that in combat right? oh wait no we dont...
and we all know her outfit completely defines her character right? oh wait nope not true.
and we know thats her primary outfit right? oh wait....we dont.

i see no 180 in her character. freak out over a single screenshot some more please.

She said in ME she prefers heavy armour, if that cat suit is in fact her combat clothing, yes there is a problem since it contradicts what she said in the first game.

Modifié par Mr.House, 16 mai 2011 - 12:30 .