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[jlb524]

Clonedzero wrote...
its kinda depressing that you dont care about the quality of the writing as long as you get s/s romances.

No, I do care about the quality of the writing.

Clonedzero wrote...
im all for s/s romances. i just want them to make sense in context with the story, and in context with the established characters backrounds.

I wonder why the hetero-only romances are never held to this lofty standard?

Homosexuals and bisexuals differ greatly from one another and we've all had different experiences in regards to our sexualities.  Some of us have slept with both sexes or just one.  Some of us had to come out of the closet after living as heterosexual and some did not.

Therefore, there are many different ways that these romances can make sense.  I can't agree with such statements as "Kaidan makes more sense than Garrus"....it's almost like lumping all bisexuals into one pot.

Clonedzero wrote...
garrus makes no sense to be bi, theres no openings within his backstory that'd work to slpi in some bi backstory.

kaidan however would make alot more sense. not being with that girl he liked in BAaT because he was confused is a perfect opening for an explaination on why he's bi.

Garrus could just be as confused in his dealings with the turian female.

Clonedzero wrote...
i just want it to be well written, you should to. i mean you shouldnt be jumping at "everyones bi! no one said they were only straight!" i dont think ive ever just said 'Im straight" to anyone in my life, why? because randomly announcing your orientation is kinda weird lol

That just means we have no idea what people are unless they specifically state it, whether they are gay, bisexual, straight.

[Ziggy]

I know I'm late to the party but.... OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!
After all the pre-defined shep crap they touted after me1 and me2, I'm so impressed they're big enough to go back on it all and do the right thing. GO BIOWARE!!!!! GO FFTL!!!!!

[Siansonea]

I actually like the Ashley romance in ME1, but my first choice for a human s/s LI is Miranda. I feel like Ash is much more forthright in her feelings than Miranda, who might hold back with FemShep for any number of reasons (she is investigating her own fertility, after all, that might have something to do with her focus on males). Kaidan seems like the best m/m human LI in my opinion, because he's much more introspective and perceptive than Jacob, and there aren't any existing human male LI's besides those two. As for the aliens, I don't really have a preference, my characters only romance humans and asari.

[VoidCabbage]

Two things I think should be mentioned...

One: its been said that there are no new love interests... So to people who want the gayz to be new people only, you're going to be dissapointed.

Two: ‎"False Dichotomy: This is where you say that there are only two choices, when actually there are more. For instance, you might say that someone is either alive, or they're dead, ignoring the fact that they might be Dracula. Or you might say that if someone's not a Democrat, they must be some sort of Republican, ignoring the very real possibility that they may be Dracula."
— Lore Sjoberg

[Mr.House]

Just make Ash and Miri bi, then I won't have to listen to MonoMeer anymore XD.

[Centauri2002]

VoidCabbage wrote...

Two things I think should be mentioned...

One: its been said that there are no new love interests... So to people who want the gayz to be new people only, you're going to be dissapointed.

Two: ‎"False Dichotomy: This is where you say that there are only two choices, when actually there are more. For instance, you might say that someone is either alive, or they're dead, ignoring the fact that they might be Dracula. Or you might say that if someone's not a Democrat, they must be some sort of Republican, ignoring the very real possibility that they may be Dracula."
— Lore Sjoberg

So you're saying the new love interest is Dracula, amirite?

[Jademoon121]

Clonedzero wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Kaiden was planned to be a LI for both Sheps in ME1, so there's a possibility.

Garrus was fanservice at first, but if you can make him go over evolutionary and biological boundaries across lightyears of space/time, I don't see why jumping borders is any worse.

Nothing about James yet 'sides him being new to outerspace and recently a member of the alliance. Maybe something there.

well the thing about garrus which has me worried is because they put alot of effort into making maleshepard and garrus appear to be like best friends, war buddies. theres ZERO sexual tension, and again garrus is has guy talk with you and tells you about a time he had sex with a turian chick.

for him to suddenly become bi, it'd be SUPER forced and wouldnt fit withint he context of the other games and Msheps and garrus' brotherly friendship.

though i do agree, you could make kaidan bi fairly easily, as ive said a couple times he has a perfect opening to explain it in his backstory and in ME1 he's just being a professional and male shepard and kaidan dont have that big brotherly friendship garrus and shep does.

The thing that Garrus and Shepherd have isn't all that different from some romantic relationships between men. It doesn't have to be mushy, kissy, gaga crap all the time. Heck, that's how I like my chemistry. Bromance can literally be a bromance; emphises on the "romance" part.

[Clonedzero]

Nyoka wrote...

ClonedZero, Garrus can be well written, too. I don't know why are you saying so many times that coming out would ruin Garrus. Come on, teh gay is not that bad, is it? Nevertheless, a part of the writing would be to make it extra clear where we're getting into, so there can't be an awkward ninjamance like those on ME1. It can be done with Garrus as well as with Kaidan, Jacob, or Thane.

you're taking this the wrong way. im not against gay romances at all. im actually all for them.

im just saying in context with male shepards and garrus' very brotherly feeling friendship and absolutely no indication that garrus is bi, it'd feel compeltely forced and out of the blue. it'd be bad writing.

i get the vibe that male shepard and garrus feel like they're brothers, ALOT of people get that vibe, because its intended. for them to suddenly engage in a relationship would feel extremely forced and silly. like i was in there just for the sake of being in there.

please dont think im anti-gay or anything. all i want is for it to be well written and to be done tastefully.

i think kaidan would make a perfect bi romance. i'd say jacob too but honestly i got so bored of his convos i ignored him in every playthrough lol so i cant comment on that to any extent. Thane could also be kinda awkward and forced feeling due to him having a kid and how he used to have a wife and all that.

[Clonedzero]

jlb524 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
its kinda depressing that you dont care about the quality of the writing as long as you get s/s romances.

No, I do care about the quality of the writing.

Clonedzero wrote...
im all for s/s romances. i just want them to make sense in context with the story, and in context with the established characters backrounds.

I wonder why the hetero-only romances are never held to this lofty standard?

Homosexuals and bisexuals differ greatly from one another and we've all had different experiences in regards to our sexualities.  Some of us have slept with both sexes or just one.  Some of us had to come out of the closet after living as heterosexual and some did not.

Therefore, there are many different ways that these romances can make sense.  I can't agree with such statements as "Kaidan makes more sense than Garrus"....it's almost like lumping all bisexuals into one pot.

Clonedzero wrote...
garrus makes no sense to be bi, theres no openings within his backstory that'd work to slpi in some bi backstory.

kaidan however would make alot more sense. not being with that girl he liked in BAaT because he was confused is a perfect opening for an explaination on why he's bi.

Garrus could just be as confused in his dealings with the turian female.

Clonedzero wrote...
i just want it to be well written, you should to. i mean you shouldnt be jumping at "everyones bi! no one said they were only straight!" i dont think ive ever just said 'Im straight" to anyone in my life, why? because randomly announcing your orientation is kinda weird lol

That just means we have no idea what people are unless they specifically state it, whether they are gay, bisexual, straight.

if garrus was confused with his dealings with the turian female he wouldnt be BRAGGING ABOUT BANGING HER TO HIS FRIEND.

you're reaching...

[Jademoon121]

Clonedzero wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

ClonedZero, Garrus can be well written, too. I don't know why are you saying so many times that coming out would ruin Garrus. Come on, teh gay is not that bad, is it? Nevertheless, a part of the writing would be to make it extra clear where we're getting into, so there can't be an awkward ninjamance like those on ME1. It can be done with Garrus as well as with Kaidan, Jacob, or Thane.

you're taking this the wrong way. im not against gay romances at all. im actually all for them.

im just saying in context with male shepards and garrus' very brotherly feeling friendship and absolutely no indication that garrus is bi, it'd feel compeltely forced and out of the blue. it'd be bad writing.

i get the vibe that male shepard and garrus feel like they're brothers, ALOT of people get that vibe, because its intended. for them to suddenly engage in a relationship would feel extremely forced and silly. like i was in there just for the sake of being in there.

please dont think im anti-gay or anything. all i want is for it to be well written and to be done tastefully.

i think kaidan would make a perfect bi romance. i'd say jacob too but honestly i got so bored of his convos i ignored him in every playthrough lol so i cant comment on that to any extent. Thane could also be kinda awkward and forced feeling due to him having a kid and how he used to have a wife and all that.

But the thing between Garrus and Shepherd is exactly like some chemstry between men in love; and who says they can't up grade from bestfriends to boyfriends? They can still keep the whole brotherly love thing.

[Augoeides]

Clonedzero wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

ClonedZero, Garrus can be well written, too. I don't know why are you saying so many times that coming out would ruin Garrus. Come on, teh gay is not that bad, is it? Nevertheless, a part of the writing would be to make it extra clear where we're getting into, so there can't be an awkward ninjamance like those on ME1. It can be done with Garrus as well as with Kaidan, Jacob, or Thane.

you're taking this the wrong way. im not against gay romances at all. im actually all for them.

im just saying in context with male shepards and garrus' very brotherly feeling friendship and absolutely no indication that garrus is bi, it'd feel compeltely forced and out of the blue. it'd be bad writing.

i get the vibe that male shepard and garrus feel like they're brothers, ALOT of people get that vibe, because its intended. for them to suddenly engage in a relationship would feel extremely forced and silly. like i was in there just for the sake of being in there.

please dont think im anti-gay or anything. all i want is for it to be well written and to be done tastefully.

i think kaidan would make a perfect bi romance. i'd say jacob too but honestly i got so bored of his convos i ignored him in every playthrough lol so i cant comment on that to any extent. Thane could also be kinda awkward and forced feeling due to him having a kid and how he used to have a wife and all that.

MShep/Garrus = Pseudo-Incest?

As for Thane, marriage are kids are no clear indicator of sexuality as many of my acquaintances will attest to but he seemed to genuinely love his wife (as per his backstory) so I feel like MShep AND FShep will always be playing second fiddle to her, especially if he kicks the bucket soon leaving them alone.

[Foryou]

To be honest I don't care about characters in ME3 being homosexual, but I would like it to be that none of ME1 or 2's characters "turn" homosexual. To me that would be like why didn't you just tell me you were gay

[Mr.House]

Foryou wrote...

To be honest I don't care about characters in ME3 being homosexual, but I would like it to be that none of ME1 or 2's characters "turn" homosexual. To me that would be like why didn't you just tell me you were gay

It's no diffrent then making Garrus and Tali a LI in ME2.

[Centauri2002]

Foryou wrote...

To be honest I don't care about characters in ME3 being homosexual, but I would like it to be that none of ME1 or 2's characters "turn" homosexual. To me that would be like why didn't you just tell me you were gay

People keep mentioning characters "turning" or being homosexual. It's far more likely that any same sex romance options will be bisexual. I doubt there will be any homosexual characters in the game at all.

[Augoeides]

Clonedzero wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
its kinda depressing that you dont care about the quality of the writing as long as you get s/s romances.

No, I do care about the quality of the writing.

Clonedzero wrote...
im all for s/s romances. i just want them to make sense in context with the story, and in context with the established characters backrounds.

I wonder why the hetero-only romances are never held to this lofty standard?

Homosexuals and bisexuals differ greatly from one another and we've all had different experiences in regards to our sexualities.  Some of us have slept with both sexes or just one.  Some of us had to come out of the closet after living as heterosexual and some did not.

Therefore, there are many different ways that these romances can make sense.  I can't agree with such statements as "Kaidan makes more sense than Garrus"....it's almost like lumping all bisexuals into one pot.

Clonedzero wrote...
garrus makes no sense to be bi, theres no openings within his backstory that'd work to slpi in some bi backstory.

kaidan however would make alot more sense. not being with that girl he liked in BAaT because he was confused is a perfect opening for an explaination on why he's bi.

Garrus could just be as confused in his dealings with the turian female.

Clonedzero wrote...
i just want it to be well written, you should to. i mean you shouldnt be jumping at "everyones bi! no one said they were only straight!" i dont think ive ever just said 'Im straight" to anyone in my life, why? because randomly announcing your orientation is kinda weird lol

That just means we have no idea what people are unless they specifically state it, whether they are gay, bisexual, straight.

if garrus was confused with his dealings with the turian female he wouldnt be BRAGGING ABOUT BANGING HER TO HIS FRIEND.

you're reaching...

That or he's desperately trying to cover up any hint that he may be Bisexual by over-stating heteronormativity machismo bull**** style. I'm not for Garrus as a bi romance (not against it either) as I think there are more appropriate choices, that said; we can't know all the motivations for a character's sexual expression. Who knows, perhaps Turians frown on the s/s action, perhaps even talk down on it and so Garrus is held by that rigid dogma instilled in him with military training. Or maybe he's just straight and players will have to deal.

He's not even Alistair! Now, Alistair, there was ambiguity you could work with!

[jlb524]

They would be 'turning' bisexual, not homosexual.

Now, if they were going to make Tali or Garrus s/s romance exclusive, hence dumping opposite sex Shepard, then you would have a big reason to complain.

[-Skorpious-]

I would also like to mention that Garrus can die, thus, may never appear in a players game. If Bioware is smart, they will give ALL players an opportunity to pursue a same-sex romance regardless of the events of ME2. Hey, Kaidan and Ashley were kept alive in ME3 for a reason. =p

Of course this assumes that the ME3 characters don't all end up bi like the DA2 cast.

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

They would be 'turning' bisexual, not homosexual.

Now, if they were going to make Tali or Garrus s/s romance exclusive, hence dumping opposite sex Shepard, then you would have a big reason to complain.

I'm still hoping Liara dumps maleshep.

[Siansonea]

Foryou wrote...

To be honest I don't care about characters in ME3 being homosexual, but I would like it to be that none of ME1 or 2's characters "turn" homosexual. To me that would be like why didn't you just tell me you were gay

Yeah, it would really suck for all the Ashley and Kaidan romancers if they suddenly couldn't continue their existing opposite-sex romances with them. Oh wait, do you object to bisexual Ashley and Kaidan too? Because that's not the same as "turning gay".

[Mr.House]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I would also like to mention that Garrus can die, thus, may never appear in a players game. If Bioware is smart, they will give ALL players an opportunity to pursue a same-sex romance regardless of the events of ME2. Hey, Kaidan and Ashley were kept alive in ME3 for a reason. =p

Of course this assumes that the ME3 characters don't all end up bi like the DA2 cast.

Only two DA2 Lis are bi, the other two are pan.

[Ryzaki]

People need to stop using the words gay and bisexual interchangeably.

THEY DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING.

Gay (usually refers to men so I'll just use homosexual): 

Homosexual: 

• Feeling or involving sexual attraction to persons of the same sex.
• Concerning homosexual relations or people.

Bisexual: 

• Sexually attracted to
  persons of both sexes.
• Biol. having characteristics of both sexes.
• Of or concerning both sexes.

• noun a bisexual person.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 01:05 .

[jlb524]

Clonedzero wrote...
if garrus was confused with his dealings with the turian female he wouldnt be BRAGGING ABOUT BANGING HER TO HIS FRIEND.

you're reaching...

Not really...you don't know why he's bragging...it might be to overcompensate for something lacking!

Also, no one is saying Garrus or Kaidan would be gay, so talk of them being 'confused' about attraction to women is pointless as they most likely would be bisexual. 

[Mr.House]

Ryzaki wrote...

People need to stop using the words gay and bisexual interchangeably.

THEY DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING.

ALso people should know the diffrence between bisexual and pansexual

[jlb524]

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

They would be 'turning' bisexual, not homosexual.

Now, if they were going to make Tali or Garrus s/s romance exclusive, hence dumping opposite sex Shepard, then you would have a big reason to complain.

I'm still hoping Liara dumps maleshep.

That would be rude of her.