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[Augoeides]

Luna Siwora wrote...

Augoeides wrote...

Isabela would sleep with anything, if a frying pan so much as glittered with the reflection from her jewellry she'd take it to bed. Not sure if that makes her pan or a nympho... or maybe a bit of both?

Hm, it's actually the contrary, but leading to the same result. You see, EVERYONE would sleep with Isabela. That does not make *her* a nympho... That only states that she is incredibly yummy.

So Isabela didn't take the Frying pan to bed, it seduced her? My world just imploded.

[Clonedzero]

jlb524 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i dunno, i find it really strange that i want actual reasons behind them being suddenly bi and none of you seem to care about that fact.

every justification ive seen for them suddenly being bi is "well they never said they werent!" which is probably the dumbest and weakest reason for anything ive ever heard.

Not really...we have faith that the writers will pull it off believablly and will give reasons.

What we are doing is refuting the idea that Tali or Garrus could not possibly be written as bisexual in ME3 b/c they are absolutely straight...our counter to that is, "they never said that".  This is different from saying just make them bisexual LIs without doing some nice writing to explain it...I don't think anyone has said that.

actually Tali does make some sense in being bisexual, she seems infactuated with shepard regardless of gender, she's just more forward with male shepard.

[Mr.House]

Bible Doctor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
I'm bi, there are other people out there for me.

Guess that 'if you were straight' thing just didn't matter.

It's just super to know that you're bi though. Useful information.

If your going to send me flowers, make sure they are roses.

[slimgrin]

Hmm. Same sex options for ME3 eh? Haven't really been following news.

This is good as long as not everyone is a s/s option. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard they did something along those lines in DA2.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 mai 2011 - 01:19 .

[Mr.House]

blacqout wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The quality of the DA2 LI where not hurt and they where all bi, so I don't see any issues.

Playing as a male Hawke, it is possible for both potential male love interests to come onto you, without having led them on. It wasn't an issue in Dragon Age really, but if Garrus is going to be as heavy handed as Fenris and Anders, it's going to be a real problem for me.

No doubt the writers are talented enough to make this work, but i hope they'll bear those of us mind that don't wish to pursue same sex romances as Shepard.

Um Zev always flirts with you no matter what, you either continue or say stop in DAO

ALso I got ninjamnaced by Leli before.

[Paraxial]

slimgrin wrote...
This is good as long as not everyone is a s/s option. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard they did something along those lines in DA2.

All romances in DA2 were available to either gender. For better or for worse.

[ipgd]

**** the haters, I WELCOME THE SPACE GAYS WITH OPEN ARMS

Mr.House wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i just hope they go the DA:O style of things where the bi characters actually made sense, rather than the DA2 way where everyone is bi regardless of story or backround.

especially since this is all established characters we're dealing with.

Not everyone is bi, look up pansexual, you will see that Merrill and Fen are in fact pansexual.

Anders is probably pan based on what he says to m!Hawke, but neither Fenris nor Merrill discuss enough about their sexual histories to give any indication about their exact preferences other than the metagame knowledge we have that they are willing to have sex with both men and women. The furthest I'd go with them is bi.

[Daniel Anteron]

You know what guys I'm all for everyone having their own personal choices. So if they want to add romance options for everyone I say go for it. My concern is the way they go about it. I hope they do it much more subtly than how it was in DA:O and DA2. I found it really awkward when I would just want to go have a friendly conversation with (insert character name here) and suddenly I'm being hit on very obviously. I mean for crying out loud Isabella in DA2 was more subtle than Fenris.

[Ryzaki]

Clonedzero wrote...
]they never said the sky wasnt purple either.
my justification for them not being interested in s/s with shepard is that theres absolutely no sexual tension, no indication of any attraction, no evidence to support any sort of romantic attraction. thats pretty good justification if you ask me.

So you're justification is because it's not stated. Because there was no tension between some FemShep and Garrus' no tension between my Shepard and Miranda, none between him and Jack.

So you're pretty much saying because it wasn't plainly stated it is. The same thing you just accused us of doing.

Not to mention I found that "losing you was like losing a limb" line pretty O_O personally. I don't think that was a just friends thing to say.

if theres any sort of interest i'd expect there to be some indication, because without that its impossible to know, and therefore BAD WRITING.

So TalixM!Shepard (since Tali supposedly had a crush all alonge) is bad writing, as is GarrusxFemShepard, MirandaxMaleShepard and JackxMale Shepard (if you don't romance her) because there's no romantic attraction until Male Shepard initates it.

I didn't sense any attraction. Just some heartfelt gratitude with Miranda before I realized there was a romance trigger and backed off and she gave me the "I'm busy Shepard" line.

do you really not understand my point? im not against S/S......seriously for the last time, im not against it.
im against bad writing.

As am I. You seem to be under the impression that Kaidan being written as bisexual is automatically bad writing. It isn't.

people suddenly changing sexual orientation when there was NOTHING to suggest they might be even REMOTELY interested in the same sex is simply bad writing.

Hi Tali and Garrus. Your romances are horribly written because you never expressed interest in humans before ME2 or Shepard approaching you about it.

if a new james bond movie came out and he was suddenly sleeping with men, and when asked he said "well i never said i WASNT interested in men!" it'd be the same thing.

Depends on how its written really. If he started sleeping with *only* men yeah that would be just plain wrong. But if he fell in love with a man? Yeah I could buy it.

stop assuming im against you, i find it insulting. im not fighting you, i just want things to be well written and make sense in context with the other games. how is that even remotely unreasonable? because im not blindly supporting s/s relationships with every character?

Why are you insulted? I'm not calling you names. And so do I. No because you're claiming characters can't be written believeably bi because "well they weren't bisexual before." 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 01:28 .

[Augoeides]

Luna Siwora wrote...

Augoeides wrote...
So Isabela didn't take the Frying pan to bed, it seduced her? My world just imploded.

What a call! I fail to see where I wrote "Isabela gets seduced easily".

Neither did I. The frying pan is just very charming and chose all heart marked lines in its dialogue wheel.

[Jademoon121]

Clonedzero wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

i dunno, i find it really strange that i want actual reasons behind them being suddenly bi and none of you seem to care about that fact.

every justification ive seen for them suddenly being bi is "well they never said they werent!" which is probably the dumbest and weakest reason for anything ive ever heard.

Not really...we have faith that the writers will pull it off believablly and will give reasons.

What we are doing is refuting the idea that Tali or Garrus could not possibly be written as bisexual in ME3 b/c they are absolutely straight...our counter to that is, "they never said that".  This is different from saying just make them bisexual LIs without doing some nice writing to explain it...I don't think anyone has said that.

actually Tali does make some sense in being bisexual, she seems infactuated with shepard regardless of gender, she's just more forward with male shepard.

Garrus admires both Shepherds, he sees him/her as a role model of sorts. You can even change his outlook on justice purely out of his respect for you. Besides, he doesn't show interest in femShep until you hit on him FIRST. Give manShep a chance and you maybe surprised.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 16 mai 2011 - 01:25 .

[SkillfullyInept]

VoidCabbage wrote...

Two things I think should be mentioned...

One: its been said that there are no new love interests... So to people who want the gayz to be new people only, you're going to be dissapointed.

Actually, Casey Hudson has almost flat-out denied that. He said on Twitter, in response to a comment about a GI article claiming there were no new LIs, that many of the interviews were done while ME3 was still in early development and that their "plans evolve over time and are guided by feedback". I'm thinking we're going to have new romance options. Now, I'm definitely not saying that the Bi LIs should be new characters only, I'm just saying we'll probably have new options.

[BrandNewMan]

Wait a second... I think I missed something. Something's different... the thread title changed... I'm going to have to research this further.

[Blacklash93]

Why does it seem like everyone wants Garrus as the m/m option?

[Mr.House]

ipgd wrote...

**** the haters, I WELCOME THE SPACE GAYS WITH OPEN ARMS

[Ryzaki]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Why does it seem like everyone wants Garrus as the m/m option?

I have no idea. I certainly don't.

I'm just using him because Shepard has to initate the romance. If you don't initate it you have no idea he can fall in love with Shepard.

[slimgrin]

Bible Doctor wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
This is good as long as not everyone is a s/s option. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard they did something along those lines in DA2.

All romances in DA2 were available to either gender. For better or for worse.

Well, I don't find that a convincing route to implementing S/S. It's almost reduced to agenda if that's the case. Not opposed to S/S at all actually. Just rather they'd go about it in a more realistic way I suppose.

[Foryou]

Okay there seems to be a misunderstanding with what I ment. What I meant was that it would be weird for someone who was straight in one game to be bi in the next one. I didn't mean that they would turn homesexual/bi hence the "" for turn.

[Clonedzero]

wait, you're saying there wasnt any sexual tension between maleshepard and miranda? or jack? WHAT? lol

you people are locked into your views and will ignore logic i guess. i was fully supporting it but damn. its your way or the highway i guess.

im being argued against because i want them to make sense and be well written? why? what is wrong with that? please tell me whats wrong with wanting the s/s relationships to be well written and make sense in context with the story?

lets make everyone bi, that's great writing. grunts bi now too! he never said he wasnt into shepard! mordin too!

[blacqout]

Mr.House wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The quality of the DA2 LI where not hurt and they where all bi, so I don't see any issues.

Playing as a male Hawke, it is possible for both potential male love interests to come onto you, without having led them on. It wasn't an issue in Dragon Age really, but if Garrus is going to be as heavy handed as Fenris and Anders, it's going to be a real problem for me.

No doubt the writers are talented enough to make this work, but i hope they'll bear those of us mind that don't wish to pursue same sex romances as Shepard.

Um Zev always flirts with you no matter what, you either continue or say stop in DAO

ALso I got ninjamnaced by Leli before.

Zevran is Zevran. His personality allows for that, in fact his overtness in this area is a rather large facet of his being.

The same really can't be said for Garrus. If he comes onto my Shepard in Mass Effect 3, without me having hinted at interest first, then i'm going to be really disappointed with the way the writers have handled this same sex thing.

It should totally be there for those who want it, but making everyone outwardly bisexual isn't fair on those of us that don't.

[FataliTensei]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Why does it seem like everyone wants Garrus as the m/m option?

i don't

give me kaidan or hendel mitra and I'll be happy

[Mr.House]

I rather have Kai Kai and Ash. :3

[jlb524]

Clonedzero wrote...

my justification for them not being interested in s/s with shepard is that theres absolutely no sexual tension, no indication of any attraction, no evidence to support any sort of romantic attraction. thats pretty good justification if you ask me.

if theres any sort of interest i'd expect there to be some indication, because without that its impossible to know, and therefore BAD WRITING.

Ugh, you do know the same could be said about Tali and Garrus in ME1, in regards to their attraction to opposite sex Shepard?  Or...is that bad writing too?