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[Mr.House]

blacqout wrote...

Zevran is Zevran. His personality allows for that, in fact his overtness in this area is a rather large facet of his being.

The same really can't be said for Garrus. If he comes onto my Shepard in Mass Effect 3, without me having hinted at interest first, then i'm going to be really disappointed with the way the writers have handled this same sex thing.

It should totally be there for those who want it, but making everyone outwardly bisexual isn't fair on those of us that don't.

He never came on first at all in ME2, can't see why Garrus will do it.

[Blacklash93]

Seeing as the number of squadmates will be more limited in ME3, It may just be down to Kaiden, James Vega, or Garrus. Possibly one other unannounced character, but that's it at most.

[Ryzaki]

Clonedzero wrote...

wait, you're saying there wasnt any sexual tension between maleshepard and miranda? or jack? WHAT? lol

you people are locked into your views and will ignore logic i guess. i was fully supporting it but damn. its your way or the highway i guess.

im being argued against because i want them to make sense and be well written? why? what is wrong with that? please tell me whats wrong with wanting the s/s relationships to be well written and make sense in context with the story?

lets make everyone bi, that's great writing. grunts bi now too! he never said he wasnt into shepard! mordin too!

/rolls eyes

Yes over exaggerate to make your "point".

And no I didn't see any sexual tension between Male Shepard and Miranda until I started romancing her. Same with Jack. I did feel some odd vibes from Horizon with Kaidan's "losing you was like losing a limb" nonsense.

And yes of course because I disagree I'm "ignoring logic"

I don't mind you wanting them to "make sense" you just need to realize that means different things to different people.

I want the romances to be well writtenas well.

Right that totally makes sense. nevermind the fact that Grunt is practically an adolsecent an it would be pedophilia and Mordin is a member of an asexual species whom only have sex for reproduction. (And hell him and Samara are the only ones who actually turn male shepard down!) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 01:33 .

[Targy90]

jlb524 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

my justification for them not being interested in s/s with shepard is that theres absolutely no sexual tension, no indication of any attraction, no evidence to support any sort of romantic attraction. thats pretty good justification if you ask me.

if theres any sort of interest i'd expect there to be some indication, because without that its impossible to know, and therefore BAD WRITING.

Ugh, you do know the same could be said about Tali and Garrus in ME1, in regards to their attraction to opposite sex Shepard?  Or...is that bad writing too?

It was fanservice of the worst kind.

[Foryou]

http://www.gameinfor...-interests.aspx

okay people are going to end up being bi

[Jademoon121]

I want Garrus. Kaiden just seems to....bland for me.

[Clonedzero]

jlb524 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

my justification for them not being interested in s/s with shepard is that theres absolutely no sexual tension, no indication of any attraction, no evidence to support any sort of romantic attraction. thats pretty good justification if you ask me.

if theres any sort of interest i'd expect there to be some indication, because without that its impossible to know, and therefore BAD WRITING.

Ugh, you do know the same could be said about Tali and Garrus in ME1, in regards to their attraction to opposite sex Shepard?  Or...is that bad writing too?

you talking about the garrus and tali romances in ME2 with the opposite genders? yes. ive stated many times that both of those feel extremely forced, silly, and poorly written.

[ipgd]

blacqout wrote...

Playing as a male Hawke, it is possible for both potential male love interests to come onto you, without having led them on. It wasn't an issue in Dragon Age really, but if Garrus is going to be as heavy handed as Fenris and Anders, it's going to be a real problem for me.

No doubt the writers are talented enough to make this work, but i hope they'll bear those of us mind that don't wish to pursue same sex romances as Shepard.

No, it isn't. Anders has exactly one point where he will attempt to initiate a romance on his own, and that is only if you choose the Diplomatic option at the end of the act I conversation following his character quest. Fenris never at any point attempts to initiate the romance with a Hawke of either sex. He only expresses interest in Hawke if you deliberately set the romance flag by flirting with him.

[AdmiralCheez]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Why does it seem like everyone wants Garrus as the m/m option?

Actually, a lot of people are saying it would be weird.

I will admit that I like the idea of Gayrus (because I am a sick, sick little fangirl), but it would do weird things to the large crowd of straight male gamers that see him as their bro4life.  Yeah, it could be done right if they tried, but it'd be a minefield.  Best to avoid it.

[Ryzaki]

Jademoon121 wrote...

I want Garrus. Kaiden just seems to....bland for me.

I want Joker.

Garrus...isn't human.

And Kaidan's boring.

Not to mention a few Kaidan fangirls have succeeded in successfully turning me off the character completely.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 01:36 .

[jlb524]

Targy90 wrote...
It was fanservice of the worst kind.

Clonedzero wrote...
you talking about the garrus and tali
romances in ME2 with the opposite genders? yes. ive stated many times
that both of those feel extremely forced, silly, and poorly written.

A lot of people around here tend to think those romances are the best.  Are they wrong? 

Modifié par jlb524, 16 mai 2011 - 01:36 .

[Jademoon121]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

I want Garrus. Kaiden just seems to....bland for me.

I want Joker.

Garrus...isn't human.

And Kaidan's boring.

Not to mention Kaidan fangirls have succeeded in successfully turning me off the character completely.

Joker is just boss, and hopefully not a technophile.
So far, it's either him or James.

[SkillfullyInept]

@Foryou

I actually just mentioned something Casey Hudson said about that on the last page, but they're stacking so fast I don't think people have time to read everything. Casey was replying to a comment about that GI article on twitter, where he said that many of the interviews were done at earlier stages of development, and their plans change and are guided by fan feedback. So... There are probably actually going to be new LIs.

[JBONE27]

blue.o7 wrote...

catabuca wrote...

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

blue.o7 wrote...

This is the best news ever! *hopes upon all hopes that Garrus is included in this m/m option fest*

SPACEGESTOCKT!!!

s/s Garrus would be a bit contrived don't you think?

No more so than Garrus sleeping with a human female feels contrived.

No more so than Tali suddenly disregarding her IMMINENT DEATH feels contrived.

No more so than any other character falling for any Shepard while the galaxy is going to **** around them feels contrived.

^ all that times 10, Garrus was a fan response romance in the first place so who the heck is it hurting to make him open to male sheps too? None of this "Oh it doesn't fit his character" business...anyone can be bi and it doesn't 'hurt' their character. Badass people like guys too!

It makes more sense with Tali than with Garrus.  Hear me out.  In the first game Garrus is an adult with no real inclination against humans or xeno-love (granted none for it, but unlike being anti-human, being anti xeno-love seems uncommon) and see Shepard as a peer and a friend.  Fast forward 2 years, and he's in love with Shepard... Doesn't really make much sense.  Then there's Tali who, in the first game was still technically a child and very shy when in comes this dashing or beautiful hero whom she helps save the galaxy (and possibly helps her with her right of passage).  Fast forward 2 years, and you're back, asking this... now leader to and an adult.  Why wouldn't she want to start something with our illustrious Shepard.
The reason I put both genders is because there are several indications in ME2 that Tali just needs to get over a little homophobia (probably instilled so that populations will remain stable) to fully express it.

[Targy90]

jlb524 wrote...

Targy90 wrote...
It was fanservice of the worst kind.

Clonedzero wrote...
you talking about the garrus and tali
romances in ME2 with the opposite genders? yes. ive stated many times
that both of those feel extremely forced, silly, and poorly written.

A lot of people around here tend to think those romances are the best.  Are they wrong? 

I don't give a damn if people like these romances. The fact that lore was ignored to fulfill the fantasies of some forumites is bad enough.

[Clonedzero]

jlb524 wrote...

Targy90 wrote...
It was fanservice of the worst kind.

Clonedzero wrote...
you talking about the garrus and tali
romances in ME2 with the opposite genders? yes. ive stated many times
that both of those feel extremely forced, silly, and poorly written.

A lot of people around here tend to think those romances are the best.  Are they wrong? 

its their opinion, they're allowed to think that, but i think they're wrong yes.
as biologically it makes no sense for them to be attracted to each other. logicistically it makes no sense in either case how they'd even have sex.

it was pure fanservice that distorted their characters and not for the better.

[Siansonea]

Clonedzero wrote...

wait, you're saying there wasnt any sexual tension between maleshepard and miranda? or jack? WHAT? lol

you people are locked into your views and will ignore logic i guess. i was fully supporting it but damn. its your way or the highway i guess.

im being argued against because i want them to make sense and be well written? why? what is wrong with that? please tell me whats wrong with wanting the s/s relationships to be well written and make sense in context with the story?

lets make everyone bi, that's great writing. grunts bi now too! he never said he wasnt into shepard! mordin too!

For what it's worth, I fully support a lot of what you're saying. I want good writing, and I don't necessarily think everyone should be bisexual. I'm actually not that crazy about Garrus and Tali being s/s options, certainly not the ONLY s/s options. I think if we're only going to have one new s/s option for each gender, they should be HUMAN characters, either existing characters (Kaidan and Miranda make the most sense to me) or new characters (which may or may not happen, we've seen conflicting reports about new romance options).

The thing is, a lot of the reasons you're using to exclude Garrus as an option are predicated on the idea that turians think just like humans do, that they see humans the same way humans see themselves, have the same values as 21st Century humans, and that's simply not the case. We don't know that much about turian culture, but I can't help but imagine First Contact, and the first turian seeing a human for the first time. I'm sure he told his captain "they look like asari, but they've got something on their heads, and they're not blue". I can't imagine human gender means all that much to aliens, because humans look a LOT more like each other than they do like turians. And it's not like Garrus can have turian babies with FemShep just because she's female. So breeding considerations are obviously not part of the equation either.

That said, I am not an advocate for s/s Garrus, but I'm not an advocate against it either.

[Clonedzero]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

I want Garrus. Kaiden just seems to....bland for me.

I want Joker.

Garrus...isn't human.

And Kaidan's boring.

Not to mention a few Kaidan fangirls have succeeded in successfully turning me off the character completely.

same thing happened to me but with tali.
some fans are alittle too intense lol

[ipgd]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Joker is just boss, and hopefully not a technophile.

Do you really think Shepard is going to be able to compete with Tricia Helfer? Come on, now.

[Bolboreta]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Joker is just boss, and hopefully not a technophile.
So far, it's either him or James.

A Joker/mShep romance would be great. That's a character that I can totally see as bi, since we all know he's interested in women (he asks Shep to take pictures during Jack/Miri cat fight). Also, they could make Samara a bi LI. I hope Bioware makes ****** and straight LIs, to make the replay more interesting.

[slimgrin]

The only male character ( so far ) in the ME universe I can see as being convincingly bi is Kaiden.

[AdmiralCheez]

slimgrin wrote...

The only male character ( so far ) in the ME universe I can see as being convincingly bi is Kaiden.

He's actually the one I'm convinced is the most straight. *shrug*

[Jademoon121]

ipgd wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Joker is just boss, and hopefully not a technophile.

Do you really think Shepard is going to be able to compete with Tricia Helfer? Come on, now.

I don't know....I think Mike Meer and Seth Green, soundwise, fits quite well....

[AngelicMachinery]

By Odin's beard is this real?