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[s0meguy6665]

Wittand25 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

waste time on a tiny percentage that wants same sex relationships? no thx. waste time on non-bisexual gay relationships? DEFINITELY NOT. i'd rather they put in more content for male-female relationships. don't get me wrong im not against gays, but the part of the population that is gay is so small that i think they shouldn't put much effort into it (no i didn't mean a small but vocal part). also there are always mods to enable same sex relationships, for example i've seen one for jacob and it's youtube video and it worked out well.

The relationships are mutually exclusive. ME 2 has six straight relationships how many more do you want ? You can always just have one active anyway. I freely admit that the market for straight relationships is bigger than that for gay/lesbian ones, but I am also sure that DA:O managed to have more satisfied players with less LI because the options were more diverse than those in ME2.
The work around is exactly that a work around and does not "work well" because some lines are not voiced not to mention that cheating should not be necessary to have this option at all and it is still unclear how a cheated relationship will affect the ability to import a ME2 safegame into ME3.

cheating (which it isn't really) should be necessary because by far most men aren't bisexual, so it would be unrealistic to have them be one by default. also there's an anti-gay undercurrent in some societies that would generate much controversy, hurting their sales more than it would benefit them (with gay fans of the franchise buying the game anyway). they did put in a single bisexual (if you count liara as one) but yeah... if they'd put in 2 gays of both genders the effort put in would be way unproportional to their market share.

by the way, Tali, Thane, Jack and Kaidan are bisexual like what was said in the starter post? had no clue...

Because Zevran and Leliana hurt the sales of DA:O that severly that is was financial failure ?
Having a easily avoidable option for a m/m romance would not generate any negative feedback or would hurt the sales in any of the major markets.
On behalf on realism, How realistic is it that every woman, who has more than three lines of dialog on board of the Normandy wants to have sex with a male Shepard, and only one of them has the strength to resist him (and that only after several centuries of life experience, mental training in a special order and a rather horrible genetic disease) All the other woman on board cannot resist him even if sex with Shepard can be potentially fatal to them.

you are right i guess there is a chance that bisexual men wouldn't cause a sales drop (even though ME generated controversy for having just a male on female sex scene, by the same religious type of people that could generate more controversy over a mm scene). A CHANCE, So keeping in mind that fans will buy the game anyway if their demands aren't met, do you think it'll be worth it for bioware/EA to put in gay relationships from a financial viewpoint? honestly.

I don't think Samara is an Ardat-Yashi, (otherwise she would've been forced to live an isolated life) she just carries a genetic disease in her DNA. there is a lot of difference. i don't think it's a matter of being able  to "resist" shepard but that it is a matter of being seduced by shepard. and what, you're surprised that the muscular charismatic savior of the universe is attractive to women (and also save them themselves in a way)? why would they even resist?  and it can also definitely be justified from a sales point of few that shepard is a hot chick magnet.

@fitscot, i didn't mean to offend. maybe show me that study.
@liquid, the sales part is addressed in the first paragraph. also, there's no way that the inclusion of a gay romance scene contributed more than a small bit to the sales, romances are only a small part of the reason to buy, and gay ones even tinier at that.

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 26 juillet 2010 - 12:18 .

[shinyblacklatexkitty]

anyway, I've seen plenty of presumably straight males supporting this too as well as bi/gay female players of which there's more than you might think, so you can hardly argue there's no market. A bit of "Taking advantage of my people's specialized skills that we try to downplay" (best viewed by pressing F11 for full screen) here.

also, religion/fox news is a non issue. Or it should be if Bioware have any sense. if anything it made Mass Effect famous for being a groundbreaking game, they shouldn't have gone backwards but further in being original and daring. There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Modifié par shinyblacklatexkitty, 26 juillet 2010 - 12:18 .

[Wittand25]

s0meguy6665 wrote...
you are right i guess there is a chance that bisexual men wouldn't cause a sales drop (even though ME generated controversy for having just a male on female sex scene, by the same religious type of people that could generate more controversy over a mm scene). A CHANCE, So keeping in mind that fans will buy the game anyway if their demands aren't met, do you think it'll be worth it for bioware/EA to put in gay relationships from a financial viewpoint? honestly.

I don't think Samara is an Ardat-Yashi, (otherwise she would've been forced to live an isolated life) she just carries a genetic disease in her DNA. there is a lot of difference. i don't think it's a matter of being able  to "resist" shepard but that it is a matter of being seduced by shepard. and what, you're surprised that the muscular charismatic savior of the universe is attractive to women (and also save them themselves in a way)? why would they even resist?  and it can also definitely be justified from a sales point of few that shepard is a hot chick magnet.

1.) They did loose sales (probably not a significant number but still) for example I did not by any DLC, and am also on the verge of not buying ME3
2:) ME2 spoiler: Samara knows for certain that everyone of her daughters will be a soul sucking monster that has to live in isolation or get killed for the sake of the community, that is quite an disorder and would definitely put a cramp in my sex life.
3.)You said having a bi( or homosexual) male crew-mate is unrealistic ( by the way if say 10% of males are bisexual or gay it is unrealistic that in the crew there was not a single one yet, do the math) yet you have no problem with the unrealistic success rate Shepard has concerning romancing the female members of the squad ? That is quite a double standard .

[s0meguy6665]

shinyblacklatexkitty wrote...

anyway, I've seen plenty of presumably straight males supporting this too as well as bi/gay female players of which there's more than you might think, so you can hardly argue there's no market. A bit of "Taking advantage of my people's specialized skills that we try to downplay" (best viewed by pressing F11 for full screen) here.

also, religion/fox news is a non issue. Or it should be if Bioware have any sense. if anything it made Mass Effect famous for being a groundbreaking game, they shouldn't have gone backwards but further in being original and daring. There's no such thing as bad publicity.

there is no information there about the distribution of female gamers. you go play some game online of which a big part is killing people, and see how many women there are playing. also, those statistics take into account things like games on cell phones.

there is actually a thing "such as bad publicity" when parents stop children from buying the game or otherwise cause people to want to boycott the game and get it through more dubious means.

[shinyblacklatexkitty]

1. * jrol.org/Society/People/Women/Recreation_and_Sports/Gamers
* news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4254259.stm

2. It's not meant to be a game for children anyway, so that's no argument at all. Collector piles of dead human bodies, swearing, lapdancing clubs etc etc etc. Both games have been rated M for a reason.

Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain
intense violence,
blood and gore,
sexual content and/or
strong language.
[..]
Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death.
[..]
Sexual Content - Non-explicit depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including partial nudity.

Bearing in mind that's a very American rating system, in which seriously nasty graphic and gory violence, torture etc is perfectly fine but even for 17+ (e.g. ADULTS) consensual, fun, sex or nudity is of course: evil. If Bioware really had guts they would fight that crap and go for a R rating like Age of Conan - crap game, tried it, but very modern in treating nudity like it's not something that will make the world end. It'd be nice to see a game that actually, like film, acted in a mature way about sex/nudity e.g. as part of normal life in the universe rather than making a big thing of it either way. Bioware would actually be bringing up the quality of the games entertainment medium to the same level of film if they were able to do that rather than the attitude being more being like giggling schoolchildren when it comes to the romance stuff. Apparently Jack was censored in Mass Effect 2 it seems the character was originally meant to be topfree as suits her character and the future more tolerant setting: i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae57/masseffectjack/jack_censored.jpg

Modifié par shinyblacklatexkitty, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:12 .

[ScotGaymer]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

shinyblacklatexkitty wrote...

anyway, I've seen plenty of presumably straight males supporting this too as well as bi/gay female players of which there's more than you might think, so you can hardly argue there's no market. A bit of "Taking advantage of my people's specialized skills that we try to downplay" (best viewed by pressing F11 for full screen) here.

also, religion/fox news is a non issue. Or it should be if Bioware have any sense. if anything it made Mass Effect famous for being a groundbreaking game, they shouldn't have gone backwards but further in being original and daring. There's no such thing as bad publicity.

there is no information there about the distribution of female gamers. you go play some game online of which a big part is killing people, and see how many women there are playing. also, those statistics take into account things like games on cell phones.

there is actually a thing "such as bad publicity" when parents stop children from buying the game or otherwise cause people to want to boycott the game and get it through more dubious means.

Thats a rediculous arguement.

Sorry but it is.

In Britain Mass Effect 1 was rated a 12. Illegal for anyone under that age to buy it. So children shouldnt be playing the game really.
And Mess Effect 2 was higher, rated a 15. So even most "teens" shouldnt legally be playing it either.
Additionally I believe the ratings for both games in the US are higher?

If any parents were buying their children and by children i mean 6 to 14 year olds these games then they were irresponsible idiots.
Comparing sales of Da:O to sales of ME1 show that DA:O was more successful than ME1. And I am willing to bet that ME2 didnt sell more than DA:O. And if it did it wasnt by much.

Also let me point out that the vast majority of people on this site have both the DA:O and ME2 tags beneath their avatars. So even if most of the gamers who play these two games arent on the site I think its safe to take it as a sample of the overall demographic playing DA:O and ME2.
Meaning that I am fairly certain that most of the people who play ME2 are going to be people who are fans of Bioware, and also play DA:O.

So if they werent offended by my male warden getting busy with Zevran, or my Spirit Monk getting it on with Sky, then why are they suddenly going to be offended and upset by ManShep and Kaidan having a good go?

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 26 juillet 2010 - 12:54 .

[s0meguy6665]

1.) They did loose sales (probably not a significant number but still) for example I did not by any DLC, and am also on the verge of not buying ME3

a small amount of people in a small part of the people who buy the game won't buy the game. on this scale, game developers think millions.

2:) ME2 spoiler: Samara knows for certain that everyone of her daughters will be a soul sucking monster that has to live in isolation or get killed for the sake of the community, that is quite an disorder and would definitely put a cramp in my sex life.

ok you got a point. not touching on the idea that asari don't have to produce a child while having sex, and she mostly mentioned her age as the reason, though she could've been avoiding. samara was the least appealing of all anyway.

3.)You said having a bi( or homosexual) male crew-mate is unrealistic ( by the way if say 10% of males are bisexual or gay it is unrealistic that in the crew there was not a single one yet, do the math) yet you have no problem with the unrealistic success rate Shepard has concerning romancing the female members of the squad ? That is quite a double standard .

as the 10% only goes for human males, sure lets do the math.

human male squad mates
kaidan. jacob. zaeed. 3 males. 10% = 1 out of 10. small chance.

which other ones should enter the equasion?

assuming there is truth in the 10% thing. there is not a single shred of homophobia in my extended family (i live in the netherlands, where homophobia is very rare and i use my family because i know them well) not a single man is homosexual, they're all happily having sex with their girlfriends or they're married. 22 men. even if that defies statistics, it shows how a lot of male (humans) could easily be all straight.

[s0meguy6665]

shinyblacklatexkitty wrote...

1. * jrol.org/Society/People/Women/Recreation_and_Sports/Gamers
* news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4254259.stm

2. It's not meant to be a game for children anyway, so that's no argument at all. Collector piles of dead human bodies, swearing, lapdancing clubs etc etc etc. Both games have been rated M for a reason.

Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain
intense violence,
blood and gore,
sexual content and/or
strong language.
[..]
Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death.
[..]
Sexual Content - Non-explicit depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including partial nudity.

Bearing in mind that's a very American rating system, in which seriously nasty graphic and gory violence, torture etc is perfectly fine but even for 17+ (e.g. ADULTS) consensual, fun, sex or nudity is of course: evil. If Bioware really had guts they would fight that crap and go for a R rating like Age of Conan - crap game, tried it, but very modern in treating nudity like it's not something that will make the world end. It'd be nice to see a game that actually, like film, acted in a mature way about sex/nudity e.g. as part of normal life in the universe rather than making a big thing of it either way. Bioware would actually be bringing up the quality of the games entertainment medium to the same level of film if they were able to do that rather than the attitude being more being like giggling schoolchildren when it comes to the romance stuff.

aside from the fact that yes, there is a world outside the united states where they don't have (bad word) age restrictions and aren't enforced as much by far, and also buy games, plenty of people below that age limit are going to just ignore the age limitations.

...

just as i continued to read your post while making a reply, i realized you negated your own argument. thanks. we seem to agree. though a bit off topic for you to go on that rant

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:22 .

[Nordic Einar]

Just a reminder to keep it civil and on topic ladies and gents. We've done a decent job so far, so keep the thread moving in the right direction.

[s0meguy6665]

FitScotGaymer wrote...
Thats a rediculous arguement.

Sorry but it is.

In Britain Mass Effect 1 was rated a 12. Illegal for anyone under that age to buy it. So children shouldnt be playing the game really.
And Mess Effect 2 was higher, rated a 15. So even most "teens" shouldnt legally be playing it either.
Additionally I believe the ratings for both games in the US are higher?

If any parents were buying their children and by children i mean 6 to 14 year olds these games then they were irresponsible idiots.
Comparing sales of Da:O to sales of ME1 show that DA:O was more successful than ME1. And I am willing to bet that ME2 didnt sell more than DA:O. And if it did it wasnt by much.

Also let me point out that the vast majority of people on this site have both the DA:O and ME2 tags beneath their avatars. So even if most of the gamers who play these two games arent on the site I think its safe to take it as a sample of the overall demographic playing DA:O and ME2.
Meaning that I am fairly certain that most of the people who play ME2 are going to be people who are fans of Bioware, and also play DA:O.

So if they werent offended by my male warden getting busy with Zevran, or my Spirit Monk getting it on with Sky, then why are they suddenly going to be offended and upset by ManShep and Kaidan having a good go?

hmm... no. see the above post. one of your buddies already made a nice case against the age restrictions.

you should not be calling others (or their arguments) names or "rediculous". yes you can read into that last part.

already addressed the sales part sufficiently. & the offended part.

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:39 .

[ScotGaymer]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

assuming there is truth in the 10% thing. there is not a single shred of homophobia in my extended family (i live in the netherlands, where homophobia is very rare and i use my family because i know them well) not a single man is homosexual, they're all happily having sex with their girlfriends or they're married. 22 men. even if that defies statistics, it shows how a lot of male (humans) could easily be all straight.

For a start 10% is a conservative figure. Its more likely around 15 to 20% of males are gay. Not bisexual.

Additionally using your family as an example while on the face of it would be sensible and logical isnt really because homosexuality and bisexuality is a genetic thing its passed down through families.
Therefore its not surprising you come from a large family of heterosexual people.

I equally know of families where the vast majority of them are homosexual or bisexual.

A friend of mine is gay. His dad is gay. His mum is str8 and remarried. His sister is a lesbian. His brother is bisexual. And he has numerous gay/lesbian/bisexual cousins.
My own family I am gay. My elder brother is bisexual. My sister is str8. My younger brother is likely going to be str8. One of my cousins is bi. And I believe two of my nephews are going to turn out gay.

Where you find one you tend to find a few.

Also i think you have misread me. I wasnt calling you ridiculous (I apologise if you felt i was or that I was insulting you. It wasnt my intent) I was saying your arguement was riduculous which it was and is. It makes little logical sense.

And about calling parents who allow their children (by that i mean 6 to 14) to play games that are almost rated or are rated mature (depending in which part of the world you are in) meaning that these games are too old for said children to play idiots. Well what would you have me call them? Fools? Morons? Incompetent? Imbeciles? Bad parents? Disinterested parents? What then?
There is a reason for the ratings on games and movies. They dont just aribtrarily slap a sticker on them saying "this ones mature" and "this ones for children." No if parents are allowing children to play these sorts of games then they are breaking the law in numerous countries and could be fined or jailed. If they are allowing their children to play games or watch movies with mature content either they just dont care (having played or seen the game/movie themselves) or havent bothered to check what it is their kid is playing or watching in which case they are just foolish or again they just dont care.

I am sorry to say but your arguements are coming off random and nonsensical. As far as I can see is all you have done is randomly declare yourself "not homophobic because i come from a liberal country you know!" and then say "Id not buy ME3 if it had gay content. I dont want gay content. I want MOAR BOOBIES!"
You do know its just as possible to be homophobic out of ignorance and disinterest as it is out of fear or hate?

Tell me DA:O has gay content. Do you play that? Do you feel forced into being gay or bi? Do you think having Leliana and Zevran bi and giving the player the OPTION to play a Gay or BIsexual Male or Female is forcing you into a place you dont want to be?
Because lets face it as far as I  can see thats the arguement that you are making. At least its the only coherent arguement I can make out from what you have said thus far. That some how by allowing for a diverse gamer base, and representing said base, and giving the CHOICE of who and what you romance somehow forces you into that bad place you dont want to be.

I really dont understand how you can say you arent homophobic one the one hand and then in the next say basically that Bioware better keep the gay away from you.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:50 .

[ElitePinecone]

Might be an idea to have this argument in your own time, folks. It's apparent from reading the last few pages that opinions are entrenched on both sides and nobody's likely to give any ground. The last thing anybody wants is this thread being shut down because a debate got too heated and out of hand.



Besides that, remember this thread is about discussing the ways in which same-sex content can be implemented - not strictly whether it should be, or if a market exists for it.

[ScotGaymer]

I think personally the best and least offensive way to implement it would be to have a sexuality option at the start when you create or import your character set to default heterosexual.

That way the homosexual or bisexual options wont even be open to you beyond some harmless flirtation of the kind that Kelly does with you or Kaidan did in ME1.

That way if you want to be gay or bi in the game then you can deliberately select it and thus have the option but not offend any of the close minded persons who randomly hate gay folk or gay stuff for no real reason beyond their own insecurity.

EDIT:
I think tho the whole interaction thing with NPC squadmates is kinda broken.

I mean Samara and Mordin are the only two that you can have healthy and sensible interactions with. They r the only ones you can have a proper "relationship" with regardless of gender.
Mordin you keep chattin to, being friendly with, and it takes a while before he actually sounds a note of caution - making sure that you are clear that you are just friends. Its tackled sensibly and correctly. Similarly with Samara, her "romance" is tackled well. Its a while before she or you can say anything about it then she tactfully tells you that she is too old for romance.

The others are just alternately strange and insane depending on your gender. Jack being the worst.
Its seemingly impossible to be just friends with any female aboard if your male and friends with any male on board if your female.
My first playthru I accidentally found myself in a romance with Miranda without intending to (I was wanting to remain faithful to Ashley). Jack randomly falls out with you, screaming at you to **** OFF for no apparent reason. Tali apparently falls for you wether you express an interest in her or not, and persists with her crush even when you both agree to just be friends. Its also really really easy to upset Kelly and turn off that little mini romance. Not played FemShep but as far as I am aware the guys are equally bonkers; reports of Jacob suddenly hitting on FemShep "do you want the PRIIIZE?" etc.

The romances and even just the platonic interactions with your squadmates have not been tackled well in ME2 which is doubly dissapointing because the relationships you have with your squadmates was supposed to be oh so important. And they frankly arent, and are just a pain in the backside to navigate. Cos currently its impossible to not romance without being an ass and then they just stop speaking to you altogether. You need to be the "wrong" sex to actually be able to properly appreciate them as "friends" or as "people" rather than "Bootay".

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:24 .

[shinyblacklatexkitty]

s0meguy6665 wrote...
plenty of people below that age limit are going to just ignore the age limitations.

That is 0 argument whatsoever, we don't have laws because "some people might break them", there has to be a standard. If some ignore them, that's their parents' decision either through deciding they can handle it and buying it or through the laws their democratically-elected country has decided on in not setting censorship laws.

To say that we can't have ANY maturity in media in case someone who can't be trusted to not be influenced negatively gets hold of it is utterly ridiculous, that way leads bland Disney pap for all, you'd have to apply it to films too, no reason to treat games differently. Most game players are adults.

s0meguy6665 wrote...
thanks. we seem to agree.

No, but you knew that already you smarmy little maggot. I never even implied that I believed in your twisted little views of censor everything "just in case".

s0meguy6665 wrote...
[..]the above post. one of your buddies[..]

In the now famous words of Jack... **** off! Troll.

Modifié par shinyblacklatexkitty, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:38 .

[s0meguy6665]

FitScotGaymer wrote...
For a start 10% is a conservative figure. Its more likely around 15 to 20% of males are gay. Not bisexual.

nice, completely random figures.

Additionally using your family as an example while on the face of it would be sensible and logical isnt really because homosexuality and bisexuality is a genetic thing its passed down through families.
Therefore its not surprising you come from a large family of heterosexual people.

I equally know of families where the vast majority of them are homosexual or bisexual.

A friend of mine is gay. His dad is gay. His mum is str8 and remarried. His sister is a lesbian. His brother is bisexual. And he has numerous gay/lesbian/bisexual cousins.
My own family I am gay. My elder brother is bisexual. My sister is str8. My younger brother is likely going to be str8. One of my cousins is bi. And I believe two of my nephews are going to turn out gay.

Where you find one you tend to find a few.

homosexuality is genetic, sure. but you're forgetting that an extended family has genetics from many families.

Also i think you have misread me. I wasnt calling you ridiculous (I apologise if you felt i was or that I was insulting you. It wasnt my intent) I was saying your arguement was riduculous which it was and is. It makes little logical sense.

arguments are manifestations of thoughts and thoughts are an extension of a person. most people subconsciously understand this and it is why they will take such statements as insults (& why people will automatically go on the defensive).

And about calling parents who allow their children (by that i mean 6 to 14) to play games that are almost rated or are rated mature (depending in which part of the world you are in) meaning that these games are too old for said children to play idiots. Well what would you have me call them? Fools? Morons? Incompetent? Imbeciles? Bad parents? Disinterested parents? What then?
There is a reason for the ratings on games and movies. They dont just aribtrarily slap a sticker on them saying "this ones mature" and "this ones for children." No if parents are allowing children to play these sorts of games then they are breaking the law in numerous countries and could be fined or jailed. If they are allowing their children to play games or watch movies with mature content either they just dont care (having played or seen the game/movie themselves) or havent bothered to check what it is their kid is playing or watching in which case they are just foolish or again they just dont care.

very little substantive here. maybe read the post of one of your fellow (assumed) gay people that i talked about.

the words you used to describe the parents are better used to describe the people making and enforcing the rules. and no, it's not arbitrary but that doesn't mean that their rules are right. can you make some examples of parents being fined for allowing their children to play games with games with too high a rating? if anybody's being jailed over allowing their children to play video games, they really don't care about the children themselves.

I am sorry to say but my arguements are coming off random and nonsensical. As far as I can see is all you have done is randomly declare yourself "not homophobic because i come from a liberal country you know!" and then say "Id not buy ME3 if it had gay content. I dont want gay content. I want MOAR BOOBIES!"
You do know its just as possible to be homophobic out of ignorance and disinterest as it is out of fear or hate?

and i actually am dutch. i never said i wouldn't buy ME3, nor have i even implied it. you try to make me look ridiculous with the boobies comment while at the same time trying to convince bioware to do the same, only for your preference. also i don't think i ever argued for more than 3 female love interests or more nudity in ME3 or bigger boobs.

Tell me DA:O has gay content. Do you play that? Do you feel forced into being gay or bi? Do you think having Leliana and Zevran bi and giving the player the OPTION to play a Gay or BIsexual Male or Female is forcing you into a place you dont want to be?
Because lets face it as far as I  can see thats the arguement that you are making. At least its the only coherent arguement I can make out from what you have said thus far. That some how by allowing for a diverse gamer base, and representing said base, and giving the CHOICE of who and what you romance somehow forces you into that bad place you dont want to be.

I really dont understand how you can say you arent homophobic one the one hand and then in the next say basically that Bioware better keep the gay away from you.

ok, now you're just strawmanning me all over the place.

so now i am homophobic because i don't think that bioware should spend resources on putting homosexual relationships in the ME games?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem

please do look at the wikipedia articles, they have very short descriptions of the logical fallacies you're making. you might learn something...

[Nordic Einar]

Methinks you three need to continue this over PM, and take a break from the thread. Next time ya'll go to post, wait 5 minutes and re-read what you wrote. Take a breather.



I'm still against selecting sexuality at start. I didn't have to do it in DA:O, I shouldn't have to do it in ME.

[s0meguy6665]

shinyblacklatexkitty wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...
plenty of people below that age limit are going to just ignore the age limitations.

That is 0 argument whatsoever, we don't have laws because "some people might break them", there has to be a standard. If some ignore them, that's their parents' decision either through deciding they can handle it and buying it or through the laws their democratically-elected country has decided on in not setting censorship laws.

To say that we can't have ANY maturity in media in case someone who can't be trusted to not be influenced negatively gets hold of it is utterly ridiculous, that way leads bland Disney pap for all, you'd have to apply it to films too, no reason to treat games differently. Most game players are adults.

s0meguy6665 wrote...
thanks. we seem to agree.

No, but you knew that already you smarmy little maggot. I never even implied that I believed in your twisted little views of censor everything "just in case".

s0meguy6665 wrote...
[..]the above post. one of your buddies[..]

In the now famous words of Jack... **** off! Troll.

haha nice, thanks for showing your true colors. and yes it IS an argument because the more sales = more money.

i didn't mean offense with the buddies comment but apparently you can't handle anything. or you're just trying to discredit my argument by trying to insult me.

now i'll do some of the nicer people in this thread a service and leave this thread, unless somebody decides it necessary to attack me or my arguments further.

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:47 .

[CShep25]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I think personally the best and least offensive way to implement it would be to have a sexuality option at the start when you create or import your character set to default heterosexual.

That way the homosexual or bisexual options wont even be open to you beyond some harmless flirtation of the kind that Kelly does with you or Kaidan did in ME1.

That way if you want to be gay or bi in the game then you can deliberately select it and thus have the option but not offend any of the close minded persons who randomly hate gay folk or gay stuff for no real reason beyond their own insecurity.

Agreed. Although you are acting as though you're a paragon of open-mindedness. Which you're not; no one is. Don't judge people for closed-mindedness because I can guarantee you hold some prejudices yourself. 

My gripe with it being that romance in Mass Effect is so forced and uncomfortable. Characters throw themselves at Shepard as if they're playthings for him. I'd rather develop a meaningful platonic relationship with my crew; not be shunned as soon as I reject their offer. The game treats Shepard like a piece of meat that all the character's want a piece of. Thankfully, the male crewmembers provide some respite from this for my man!Shep, but with the likely same awkward system in place for ME3, same-sex romances means I can't even have an innocent conversation with the other guys on the ship. Either I sex them, or they ignore me.

Providing an option at the start at character creation (or character modification as I hope they introduce in ME3) sounds like the best plan. I get the girls, while others get the guys and there's no divergence to offend, just like how the character backgrounds create entirely exclusive content. It wouldn't even be difficult or overly taxing to implement so long as Meer records the same sex dialogue as he did in ME1.

But what's more important than homosexuality in ME3 is better platonic interaction. That should be a priority.

Modifié par CShep25, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:54 .

[alienatedflea]

shinyblacklatexkitty wrote...

anyway, I've seen plenty of presumably straight males supporting this too as well as bi/gay female players of which there's more than you might think, so you can hardly argue there's no market. A bit of "Taking advantage of my people's specialized skills that we try to downplay" (best viewed by pressing F11 for full screen) here.

also, religion/fox news is a non issue. Or it should be if Bioware have any sense. if anything it made Mass Effect famous for being a groundbreaking game, they shouldn't have gone backwards but further in being original and daring. There's no such thing as bad publicity.

i dont understand this...there might be more than i think there is of gay gamers but it still doesnt not change the fact that to implement this in ME3 or DLC...could ruin the game's storyline...its like telling everyone in lets say...harry potter that in the he is really a ****...thats too much of a "out of left field" thing...the first one, shep is not gay...the second one, he is not gay...now you people demand that there is s/s in the third one making him a ****? i dont even understand how you guys think thats even fair to the other gamers...and really to compare DA to ME is like comparing apples to oranges...one is a fantasy game while the other is sci fi...to say that "Oh there was that fruity elf in DA and their sales didnt go bad at all is a weak argument at best...there was no fruity characters in the first one or the second one...maybe some fruity gamers (sure) but thats their decision...but to for the gay gamer community to demand that there should be s/s romances in the game will only ruin the consistency of the game (of being straight shep THROUGHOUT) and could ruin the game altogether

[shinyblacklatexkitty]

My Shepherd had Liara as paramour in ME1 and has a picture of her in a little frame in her cabin (the asari not being female argument is BS and we all know it, at least from a human perspective it's female even if they don't think of themselves as so). She's also had a dinner date and is going to sleep with Kelly by the end like other Shepherds have. Yeah, obviously any serious relationship being available like ME1 again in Mass Effect 3 would be changing her sexuality

[Siansonea]

Hmmm, my troll detector keeps going off. What's up with that?



Clue: anyone who uses obvious hate speech in their posts, asterisks or not, is trying to be a troll. Responding to such people is a waste of time. That type of ignorance is cultivated.

[The Uncanny]

^ Agreed. Don't get sucked in and don't end up trading insults, people. Just ignore and talk about something else.

[SorenTrigg]

Nordic Einar wrote...

I'm still against selecting sexuality at start. I didn't have to do it in DA:O, I shouldn't have to do it in ME.

Likewise. ME1 did not need it for female Shepard, either, and it would just feel...out of place, I suppose.

[London]

Adding my support to more options in ME.