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[Wittand25]

@ CShep25

Yes adding a s/s romance will take resources, but if they make a bisexual love interest the extra work is relatively small compared to the received pay off. Even I think that a truly gay or lesbian LI would be a waste of resources ( no matter how great it actually would be to have on). I don't think you can compare that to adding completely new features like spaceflight or similar that is far more resource intensive.

@alienatedflea Several people ,including me, have already pointed out the flaws in your argument, I don't think that you will get any more answers to that, so you might want to change it or stop posting this specific one.

[ScotGaymer]

alienatedflea wrote...

Syledir wrote...


[/i]How about decreasing heterosexuall romance options and increasing bisexuall romance options.

so you guys really do want to queer up the game? and how is that not forcing homosexuality on people?! just this post makes the credibility in this threat go down...

Okay firstly please dont use terms like "queer up" cos frankly as a gay man myself I can tell you that could be taken really offensively, and if you persist in being rude, ignorant, prejudice, and offensive then i WILL report you.

Secondly please learn to type. You spelling, and grammer is perhaps amongst the worst I have seen on this site. There is a big button on the middle right of your keyboard called Enter or Return, please use it.

Thirdly please dont take one SINGLE persons statement as the gospel iteration of what we ALL want. If you have actually read any of the goals of this thread posted in the front page then you would know that what he says is CLEARLY not what most of us want.

Fourthly I dont understand why you are even posting here. A number of folk have already addressed your "concerns" in a logical and polite way and you have completely ignored them just reitering your completely wrong, homophobic, and ignorant views over and over.
If you dont want to listen or discuss then why bother posting?

Fithly, it would be greatly appreciated if you could desist right now. We do not want this thread locked because of one ignoramous like you yourself are coming off.

[Tirigon]

alienatedflea wrote...

Syledir wrote...


[/i]How about decreasing heterosexuall romance options and increasing bisexuall romance options.

so you guys really do want to queer up the game? and how is that not forcing homosexuality on people?! just this post makes the credibility in this threat go down...

Noone is forcing anything on anyone here. Except for you and your fellow homophobes who try to force their intolerant attitude and stupidity on us.

[CShep25]

Syledir wrote...

Yes, they did.

Woah, that's news to me. I saw one s/s video on Youtube which blanked out Shepard's audio because it was femshep's voice with maleshep's body. Someone should remaster these scenes.

Syledir wrote...

As a maleshep it was even simpler: Don't try to be friendly or you will be literally ****ed. Neutral answers worked the best, because I could still unlock all the loyality missions of them and still keep my distance.

It a little limiting though. I'm playing the trilogy in terms of character development. I started ME1 as a renegade, moved onto ME2 as a paragade, and intend to play ME3 as a paragon, with a backstory to Shep's change in attitude to boot. If ME3 does continue the same dialogue solution, then I'll be romancing everybody. What they need is a seperate coloured dialogue option for a romance subplot; that way its easy to see what you're getting yourself into instead of clicking on 'you're pretty cool' and hearing it come out as 'let's make out'.

Syledir wrote...

You wouldn't need to butcher the character or his/her personality. Read the earlier threads and posts about this topic, and you will see that most if not all gamers, who pursued a s/s romance, thought that one NPC was flirting with them already, or liked the NPCs personality.

Many of those were simply oversights in differences between the gender options. Maleshep uses the same movements as femshep when approaching Jacob and it comes across as hella flirtatious although due more in part to game mechanics not translating to the opposite sex. As for pursuing a relationship, my stupid lovestruck fanboyish nature knows its all too easy to overanalyze things; if you look hard enough, you can find anything, whether it's there or not. I didn't find any romantic undertones with Garrus, that was all bro-fisting and bro-hugging. Neither with Thane. Legion, there was some stalkerish obsessiveness which could be construed as an adorable geth crush, although that's not even homosexuality...

Syledir wrote...

You see Asari as omnisexual. Does Liara or Aria seem one dimensional to you? As a matter of fact Shepard can always be sure that Liara loves him for his character/personality first, not because he (for example) is a man first and for his character/personality second.

Oh no, absolutely not. They've been established as this bisexual species which is pretty fascinating. And that's not an 'mmm...lesbians' comment; if they were a male species, they'd be equally as intriguing. When I was younger, I couldn't grasp how long term bisexual relationships worked, because I thought they'd always be hankering for a change as if they HAD to keep switching sexual preference to be bi rather than gay or straight, but then I realised its pretty much identical to a hetero relationship only there's more choice in partners. Being bi would be way easier, although even if the asari WERE straight, there's plenty of fish in the sea for her to make a romantic choice out of Shepard. You can't really say she'd pick Shepard firstly for his Y chromosomes when the universe is filled with potential suitors; she's still got a fair bit of choice. 

Syledir wrote...

How about decreasing heterosexuall romance options and increasing bisexuall romance options.

I'd be up for this. It would balance things out, and I wouldn't be directly affected if Ash remains romanceable but then there would be hell to pay from the fans of whoever gets cut. And that would be a wrath WAAAY bigger than this thread could conjure up. The countless pages in the fan threads. Can you imagine if Tali's romance was cut? It would be as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. Talimancers would be grabbing their pitchforks.

They SHOULD have included some legitimate bisexual options in ME2, or if not, at least kept the numbers of romanceable partners down so that it would be easier to add more for the third game. But they didn't and we've got eight entirely straight romance dialogue trees already going into ME3. And two bisexual romance trees counting Liara and Kelly. A concession is turning one current male bi (and developing Kelly more as an interactive character as I said before) so then we have three bi romances and seven straight romances. It doesn't provide nearly as much choice but there is some leeway. Plus, it would be more indicative of reality; on a ship of Normandy's size, its unlikely the bisexual/heterosexual ratio will be level.

Bookman230 wrote...

But, off topic a little, I like folks like you CShep. People who debate agianst S/S but with legitmate reasons.  but who offer a compromise.

Modifié par CShep25, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:26 .

[Syledir]

Wait a moment. I know my English sucks. So, let me rephrase. I said:" How about decreasing heterosexual romance options and increasing bisexual romance options." What I meant was BioWare spent so much time, money and resources on 3 romantic interests for femshep and 3 romantic interests for maleshep. Each and everyone of them only "available" for the opposite sex. Additional money went to Kelly, Samara and Morinth. Let's say BioWare would have decided to make two romanceable NPCs (one male/one female) exclusively available for the opposite sex and four romanceable NPCs (2 males/2 females) romanceable for both opposite and same sex. That would have been a solution to satisfy everyone. Straight gamers would still have their "exclusive romance partners" and gay/lesbian gamers would even have the luxury to choose between two potential love interest. I would agree with that. And that's CLEARLY not what you want? Alright, help me out here, because CLEARLY I do not understand...please.



I am asking because I say: "This is optional. The player decides." and people hear:" We are being forced to do something." I say: "Bisexual." and people hear: "Bisexual? This can't be straight, so it must be gay."

[Siansonea]

Tirigon wrote...

Noone is forcing anything on anyone here. Except for you and your fellow homophobes who try to force their intolerant attitude and stupidity on us.

Pssst...we all agreed to ignore this kid. He is deliberately baiting us, thinking that somehow the 'consistency' argument holds water. If consistency was the watchword, then ME2 would have been a very different game, I think we can all agree on that. Is it 'consistent' that Garrus and Tali suddenly want that Shepard love? Is Joker and Dr. Chakwas joining Cerberus 'consistent'? Not in my book.

But it's a moot point. Shepard realizing that he wants some same-sex action in no way derails the consistency of the trilogy, and I don't think our friend the DisenfranchisedInsect thinks so either. It's an OBVIOUS ploy to advance his hate agenda; it's a pretext, nothing more. He's probably just trying to get the thread locked. Using inflammatory anti-gay terminology is only part of the strategy. Clearly something about homosexuality strikes a very sensitive nerve for him, or else he wouldn't waste so much energy hating on it. How many ultra-conservative anti-gay politicians have been discovered to be closeted homosexuals themselves? It's the 'doth protest too much' syndrome, I think.

The bottom line is, implementing same sex options IN NO WAY CONTRADICTS events or actions in the previous two game, IT MERELY ADDS TO THEM. Really, I wish people would look up the definition of 'bisexual' before posting in this thread, it's meaning seems to completely escape some members.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:21 .

[CShep25]

Syledir wrote...

Wait a moment. I know my English sucks. So, let me rephrase. I said:" How about decreasing heterosexual romance options and increasing bisexual romance options." What I meant was BioWare spent so much time, money and resources on 3 romantic interests for femshep and 3 romantic interests for maleshep. Each and everyone of them only "available" for the opposite sex. Additional money went to Kelly, Samara and Morinth. Let's say BioWare would have decided to make two romanceable NPCs (one male/one female) exclusively available for the opposite sex and four romanceable NPCs (2 males/2 females) romanceable for both opposite and same sex. That would have been a solution to satisfy everyone. Straight gamers would still have their "exclusive romance partners" and gay/lesbian gamers would even have the luxury to choose between two potential love interest. I would agree with that. And that's CLEARLY not what you want? Alright, help me out here, because CLEARLY I do not understand...please.

No, I've been saying that would be fair; a similar system set up in ME1 with some additional choice. But the point is, they didn't do this; they've crammed the game with heterosexual options, and due to the nature of Mass Effect's save system, these romances are going to be continued onto ME3. We all knew ME3 was going to be a pretty hefty game with all the potential choices carried over. Romances are no exception. The sheer number of options for romance now totalled up makes adding more a challenge. ME2 was certainly a wasted opportunity for bisexual content which is frankly bad form on BW's behalf, but now we have so many options, adding even more will be counterproductive to what we have already. I'd be happiest if character interaction in ME3 involved establishing the already acquired relationships we have rather than forging new ones. It is the final chapter afterall; not the best place for making new friends. Dialoguing with characters always felt incomplete in ME2; you talk to them until you face the romance trigger, then all platonic talk stops, even for same sex characters where you'd expect the friendship development to continue. The conversations all stop at the same place; no resolution to the story arc, no dramatic cliffhanger or revelation; generic dialogue just hangs there on repeat to fizzle as an anti-climax to your hard work talking to your crew.

While some people are clearly ignorant dicks, there is some truth to being 'forced' into it, particularly for paragon players. Unless the dialogue system is rennovated, being friendly can be interpreted as being flirty. You said it yourself. So if you do play as a straight paragon and you're trying to be nice to your crew, you will end up acting out of character merely for picking the top option. I wasn't particularly fond of getting my arm stroked by Miranda or accidently bedding Jack and being forced to reload due to trial and error of the hokey dialogue wheel. So in one way, you are limited in your conversation options. With a colour coded system like the paragon/renegade system we have already, this can be avoided easily. I'm just not sure on the likelihood that we'll see an updated system for the last of the games.

Although it's not as big a concern for me as the content-heavy drain on resources adding new s/s scenes would have, I see some reasoning behing it.

Modifié par CShep25, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:31 .

[alienatedflea]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Syledir wrote...


[/i]How about decreasing heterosexuall romance options and increasing bisexuall romance options.

so you guys really do want to queer up the game? and how is that not forcing homosexuality on people?! just this post makes the credibility in this threat go down...

Okay firstly please dont use terms like "queer up" cos frankly as a gay man myself I can tell you that could be taken really offensively, and if you persist in being rude, ignorant, prejudice, and offensive then i WILL report you.

Secondly please learn to type. You spelling, and grammer is perhaps amongst the worst I have seen on this site. There is a big button on the middle right of your keyboard called Enter or Return, please use it.

Thirdly please dont take one SINGLE persons statement as the gospel iteration of what we ALL want. If you have actually read any of the goals of this thread posted in the front page then you would know that what he says is CLEARLY not what most of us want.

Fourthly I dont understand why you are even posting here. A number of folk have already addressed your "concerns" in a logical and polite way and you have completely ignored them just reitering your completely wrong, homophobic, and ignorant views over and over.
If you dont want to listen or discuss then why bother posting?

Fithly, it would be greatly appreciated if you could desist right now. We do not want this thread locked because of one ignoramous like you yourself are coming off.

um i keep posting because im responding to other posts here...i did not know i needed your permisson...but in all respect to you...dont you think its selfish to push for s/s because these people are gay? for example i hate christian people who push their religion onto others and think they are doing right...how is this any different? its gay people pushing their perferences onto a franchise? i mean if there was a "lets keep ME3 straight" thread here...then you people would go there and slam it for being homophobic...im not homophobic but to bring s/s would, A) bring not that much to the game for the players and wouldnt be consistent with the first 2 games...i dont think a personal attack on another poster is going to get this subject matter into the game...and when did they address my concern for consistency? they havent...they have been though dodging my concern so they can get their way on a game...and so you say thats being homophobic when the fact is that there hasnt been a s/s option for the first 2 games for the male and only females being bisexual...yet that isnt good enough...CLEARLY...i think its interesting that you people want to change the story to fit your desires when probably the story has already been made on storyboards...and finally i didnt mean to offend anyone by saying queering up..i would say the same thing if it was straights pushing for more "options" as straighting up...but the bottom line is there is no real reason why bioware would include more "options" into the game because of the saying "Don't fix something thats not broken" but you want them to "fix" it so it would make you people happy...and the rolling stones said it best, "You can't always get want you want, but if you try some time you just might find you get what you need" and the game doesnt "need" this in order to be a major blockbuster and everyone knows and (i think) would agree with that

[alienatedflea]

Tirigon wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Syledir wrote...


[/i]How about decreasing heterosexuall romance options and increasing bisexuall romance options.

so you guys really do want to queer up the game? and how is that not forcing homosexuality on people?! just this post makes the credibility in this threat go down...

Noone is forcing anything on anyone here. Except for you and your fellow homophobes who try to force their intolerant attitude and stupidity on us.

im sorry but it looks like Syledir does want to force this on people...so that "no one wants to force anything" crap isnt gonna fly...and see look at it...now youre bashing me because one of you people screwed up? now somehow im a homophobe because i want the game to remain CONSISTENT

[Siansonea]

I just thought of something. What if there was a system similar to the Paragon/Renegade interrupts, but a Flirt/Rebuff interrupt? I don't know if someone else already put forward the idea, but I think it could work similarly to the Paragon/Renegade interrupt system already in place. That way, all standard dialogue would be guaranteed to be platonic in nature, and Shepard would only flirt/rebuff when the opportunities arise, and it would be a conscious player choice in every instance. Of course, NPCs could still flirt with Shepard, but in those cases the dialogue wheel should have [Flirt] and [Rebuff] before the guide text for Shepard's response.

Good idea? Lame idea?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 29 juillet 2010 - 05:43 .

[CShep25]

alienatedflea wrote...

and finally i didnt mean to offend anyone by saying queering up..i would say the same thing if it was straights pushing for more "options" as straighting up...but the bottom line is there is no real reason why bioware would include more "options" into the game because of the saying "Don't fix something thats not broken" but you want them to "fix" it so it would make you people happy...

alienatedflea wrote...

im sorry but it looks like Syledir does want to force this on people...so that "no one wants to force anything" crap isnt gonna fly...and see look at it...now youre bashing me because one of you people screwed up?

[CShep25]

Siansonea II wrote...

I just thought of something. What if there was a system similar to the Paragon/Renegade interrupts, but a Flirt/Rebuff interrupt? I don't know if someone else already put forward the idea, but I think it could work similarly to the Paragon/Renegade interrupt system already in place. That way, all standard dialogue would be guaranteed to be platonic in nature, and Shepard would only flirt/rebuff when the opportunities arise, and it would be a conscious player choice in every instance. Of course, NPCs could still flirt with Shepard, but in those cases the dialogue wheel should have [Flirt] and [Rebuff] before the guide text for Shepard's response.

Good idea? Lame idea?

Definately a good idea.

[Tirigon]

alienatedflea wrote...

... but to bring s/s would, A) bring not that much to the game for the players and ....

The mere fact that so many people want same sex romances shows that it WOULD, in fact, bring much to the game for the players.

[Tirigon]

CShep25 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I just thought of something. What if there was a system similar to the Paragon/Renegade interrupts, but a Flirt/Rebuff interrupt? I don't know if someone else already put forward the idea, but I think it could work similarly to the Paragon/Renegade interrupt system already in place. That way, all standard dialogue would be guaranteed to be platonic in nature, and Shepard would only flirt/rebuff when the opportunities arise, and it would be a conscious player choice in every instance. Of course, NPCs could still flirt with Shepard, but in those cases the dialogue wheel should have [Flirt] and [Rebuff] before the guide text for Shepard's response.

Good idea? Lame idea?

Definately a good idea.

Agreed.

[Nordic Einar]

Is it really that hard not to quote the trolls? I mean, really. Why do we have so much trouble with it?

[Bookman230]

Tirigon wrote...

CShep25 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I just thought of something. What if there was a system similar to the Paragon/Renegade interrupts, but a Flirt/Rebuff interrupt? I don't know if someone else already put forward the idea, but I think it could work similarly to the Paragon/Renegade interrupt system already in place. That way, all standard dialogue would be guaranteed to be platonic in nature, and Shepard would only flirt/rebuff when the opportunities arise, and it would be a conscious player choice in every instance. Of course, NPCs could still flirt with Shepard, but in those cases the dialogue wheel should have [Flirt] and [Rebuff] before the guide text for Shepard's response.

Good idea? Lame idea?

Definately a good idea.

Agreed.

Same here. We should add this into the original posts.

[DanaScu]

CShep25 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I just thought of something. What if there was a system similar to the Paragon/Renegade interrupts, but a Flirt/Rebuff interrupt? I don't know if someone else already put forward the idea, but I think it could work similarly to the Paragon/Renegade interrupt system already in place. That way, all standard dialogue would be guaranteed to be platonic in nature, and Shepard would only flirt/rebuff when the opportunities arise, and it would be a conscious player choice in every instance. Of course, NPCs could still flirt with Shepard, but in those cases the dialogue wheel should have [Flirt] and [Rebuff] before the guide text for Shepard's response.

Good idea? Lame idea?

Definately a good idea.

Agreed. It would be a good thing, and cut down on the accidental "I'm playing a paragon and want to be nice" dialogue accidents.

[M1tt3ns]

Probably too late for anyone important to take note, but the new Liara DLC would be a great opportunity to open up same sex romances to female Shepard without offending anyone.

Here's how I see it:
Basically if you had a romance with Liara as a female Shepard in the first Mass Effect, have an option in the DLC to break off your relationship with Liara for whatever reason, for instance bringing up that she's changed or something of the sort. If you do so you can talk about the situation with other female crew members and start the romance dialogue chain.

That way there's only the option if you've already pursued a lesbian relationship prior to this game. If you haven't for whatever your reason there will be no new and possibly offensive material waiting for you.

[zhongda]

Siansonea II wrote...

I just thought of something. What if there was a system similar to the Paragon/Renegade interrupts, but a Flirt/Rebuff interrupt? I don't know if someone else already put forward the idea, but I think it could work similarly to the Paragon/Renegade interrupt system already in place. That way, all standard dialogue would be guaranteed to be platonic in nature, and Shepard would only flirt/rebuff when the opportunities arise, and it would be a conscious player choice in every instance. Of course, NPCs could still flirt with Shepard, but in those cases the dialogue wheel should have [Flirt] and [Rebuff] before the guide text for Shepard's response.

Good idea? Lame idea?

Awesome idea.

[Syledir]

Syledir wrote...

Yes, they did.

Woah, that's news to me. I saw one s/s video on Youtube which blanked out Shepard's audio because it was femshep's voice with maleshep's body. Someone should remaster these scenes.

Sounds like a job for BioWare.

Syledir wrote...

As a maleshep it was even simpler: Don't try to be friendly or you will be literally ****ed. Neutral answers worked the best, because I could still unlock all the loyality missions of them and still keep my distance.

It a little limiting though. I'm playing the trilogy in terms of character development. I started ME1 as a renegade, moved onto ME2 as a paragade, and intend to play ME3 as a paragon, with a backstory to Shep's change in attitude to boot. If ME3 does continue the same dialogue solution, then I'll be romancing everybody. What they need is a seperate coloured dialogue option for a romance subplot; that way its easy to see what you're getting yourself into instead of clicking on 'you're pretty cool' and hearing it come out as 'let's make out'.

I couldn't agree more. The dialogue system still needs a lot of improvement. However, there are so many suggestions in this thread alone, including Siansonea II's Flirt/Rebuff interrupt idea (very good, by the way). Enough, for BioWare, to be inspired to find own solutions. Like the new dialogue system of Dragon Age 2. While none of us could try it out, it sounds like a step in the right direction though.

Syledir wrote...

You wouldn't need to butcher the character or his/her personality. Read the earlier threads and posts about this topic, and you will see that most if not all gamers, who pursued a s/s romance, thought that one NPC was flirting with them already, or liked the NPCs personality.

Many of those were simply oversights in differences between the gender options. Maleshep uses the same movements as femshep when approaching Jacob and it comes across as hella flirtatious although due more in part to game mechanics not translating to the opposite sex. As for pursuing a relationship, my stupid lovestruck fanboyish nature knows its all too easy to overanalyze things; if you look hard enough, you can find anything, whether it's there or not. I didn't find any romantic undertones with Garrus, that was all bro-fisting and bro-hugging. Neither with Thane. Legion, there was some stalkerish obsessiveness which could be construed as an adorable geth crush, although that's not even homosexuality...

You are right. Some people see homosexual tendencies, where others see simple camaraderie. But that's my point. Ashley and Kaidan were originally designed as potential romantic partners, for both femshep and maleshep. Suddenly, for whatever reason, BioWare decided to lock the s/s romance options. But that doesn't mean, that they have recorded new lines of dialogue for Kaidan and Ashley. Their personality and character didn't change after all. Now some people see homosexual tendencies regarding Kaidan, while others don't. Some, of those who don't, say that making Kaidan bisexual would change his personality or character. That's where I disagree. Not because Kaidan was originally designed as bisexual. I disagree, because personality and character do not go hand in hand with sexuality. BioWare wouldn't need to redesign a NPC, if they decided to make him/her optional for the same sex. They would only need to unlock the romantic subplot.

Syledir wrote...

You see Asari as omnisexual. Does Liara or Aria seem one dimensional to you? As a matter of fact Shepard can always be sure that Liara loves him for his character/personality first, not because he (for example) is a man first and for his character/personality second.

Oh no, absolutely not. They've been established as this bisexual species which is pretty fascinating. And that's not an 'mmm...lesbians' comment; if they were a male species, they'd be equally as intriguing. When I was younger, I couldn't grasp how long term bisexual relationships worked, because I thought they'd always be hankering for a change as if they HAD to keep switching sexual preference to be bi rather than gay or straight, but then I realised its pretty much identical to a hetero relationship only there's more choice in partners. Being bi would be way easier, although even if the asari WERE straight, there's plenty of fish in the sea for her to make a romantic choice out of Shepard. You can't really say she'd pick Shepard firstly for his Y chromosomes when the universe is filled with potential suitors; she's still got a fair bit of choice.

True, but if the Asari WERE straight, being male would be a necessity. Femshep wouldn't stand a chance, even if she managed to outdo every other male rival. Even if she were the most suitable partner a straight Asari would turn her down and choose a male partner. The male partner, however, would always know that he is actually the Asaris second choice. The only reason why she chose him, is because he is male.

Syledir wrote...

How about decreasing heterosexuall romance options and increasing bisexuall romance options.

I'd be up for this. It would balance things out, and I wouldn't be directly affected if Ash remains romanceable but then there would be hell to pay from the fans of whoever gets cut. And that would be a wrath WAAAY bigger than this thread could conjure up. The countless pages in the fan threads. Can you imagine if Tali's romance was cut? It would be as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. Talimancers would be grabbing their pitchforks.

They SHOULD have included some legitimate bisexual options in ME2, or if not, at least kept the numbers of romanceable partners down so that it would be easier to add more for the third game. But they didn't and we've got eight entirely straight romance dialogue trees already going into ME3. And two bisexual romance trees counting Liara and Kelly. A concession is turning one current male bi (and developing Kelly more as an interactive character as I said before) so then we have three bi romances and seven straight romances. It doesn't provide nearly as much choice but there is some leeway. Plus, it would be more indicative of reality; on a ship of Normandy's size, its unlikely the bisexual/heterosexual ratio will be level.

Uhm, I didn't mean we should cut out Thane and replace him with Feron (provided he is bisexual). What I meant was: Make two romanceable NPCs (one male/one female) exclusively available for the opposite sex and four romanceable NPCs (2 males/2 females) romanceable for both opposite and same sex. That would be a solution to satisfy everyone. Straight gamers would still have their "exclusive romance partners" and gay/lesbian gamers would even have the luxury to choose between two potential love interest.

Bookman230 wrote...

But, off topic a little, I like folks like you CShep. People who debate agianst S/S but with legitmate reasons.  but who offer a compromise.

What he said.

[M8DMAN]

Tirigon wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Syledir wrote...


[/i]How about decreasing heterosexuall romance options and increasing bisexuall romance options.

so you guys really do want to queer up the game? and how is that not forcing homosexuality on people?! just this post makes the credibility in this threat go down...

Noone is forcing anything on anyone here. Except for you and your fellow homophobes who try to force their intolerant attitude and stupidity on us.

I'm all for gay rights, but calling him a  homophobe just because he said queer is stupid.

[Geth001]

It's not a really big deal to me whether or not they implement s/s romances, as long as they're written well (and being written well is a requirement for ANY sort of character development or interaction). I certainly haven't seen any argument to keep s/s romances out that's even remotely compelling yet.

There's been something about making every romance option bi, which I'm not sure is hyperbole or a serious suggestion, but that would be an awful idea.

Modifié par Geth001, 30 juillet 2010 - 02:06 .

[Syledir]

Geth001 wrote...

It's not a really big deal to me whether or not they implement s/s romances, as long as they're written well (and being written well is a requirement for ANY sort of character development or interaction). I certainly haven't seen any argument to keep s/s romances out that's even remotely compelling yet.

There's been something about making every romance option bi, which I'm not sure is hyperbole or a serious suggestion, but that would be an awful idea.

I am in favour of making every romance option bisexual. And I am serious about this. However, it is just a SUGGESTION. Still, I am curious. Why is it an awful idea?

[M1tt3ns]

I'd like to know why it's awful as well... It doesn't make the characters canonically change. Canon is different in every game. What keeps characters from changing from playthrough to playthrough, what makes changes like that a bad thing?



I agree completely with Syledir.