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[MaxQuartiroli]

Rogue Unit wrote...

I've always wondered if the people requesting same sex romances were gay. I mean I know some are gay but I could never understand why a straight man would want to watch two men have sex. Are they closet homos?

No disrespect intended I'm just curious. That's all.

Because I like to image a world where everyone is free to express him/herself without any judgment or prejudice

Because among my friends there are also gay and lesbian people, and I'll always fight for their rights

Because I trust that love has no gender.

Here is the reason why I have no problem in see two person kissing or having sex, whatever gender they are...

[Siansonea]

If you are young, say between 13-25, your viewpoint is understandable. If you are older than that, your viewpoint should prompt you to examine your attitudes more closely to discover why you are uncomfortable with a person of the same sex being attracted to you. I have had women express interest in me before, and even though I didn't reciprocate their interest, I wasn't appalled that another woman might be attracted to me. If you're attractive to the opposite sex, you will probably be attractive to your own sex. It happens. It's no big deal. You say "I'm sorry, but I'm not interested", and leave it at that.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 30 juillet 2010 - 09:19 .

[Poaches]

The sighing coincides with the X number of times people come in here with the same preconceptions asking the same questions.



It becomes quickly apparent when someone makes the assumption that its all about the sexual act, there's an attitude of arrogance to be observed. One of trivializing another's sexuality as lust driven compulsion.

[ScotGaymer]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Wow.  I asked a question,  no need to do the whole sighing "I have to explain this to another idiot" act. But thanks for explaining that to me.  Im for you guys getting what you want as long as they dont come on to me and I don't have to really hear about their sexuality unless your romancing them. Like how Kelly tells you Tali is interested in you, her saying the same thing about Jacob would disturb me.

This goes both ways.

Hey man. You actually seem like quite a nice fella. But I am sorry to say that your ignorance about gay folks and bisexual people actually borders on homophobia.

And before you cry "im not homophobic!" like most do in this situation, you are certainly coming off that way. Let me inform you now that it just as it is possible to be racist via indifference and willful ignorance it is also possible to be homophobic in the same manner.

I dont believe for a moment that you are stupid or that you are meaning to be homophobic; but im afraid you are.
And as Sioneasa(sp?) II said if you are younger then your viewpoint is understandable but if you are older than say 22ish then your really should have outgrown it by now.

I mean yikes.

Its perfectly possible for a straight man (or woman) to appreciate homosexual content (dependant on the context of course) in a game or a movie or a book; just as it is possible for a homosexual man (or woman) to appreciate heterosexual content.
I had a friend growing up who was a str8 bloke and he was my best friend for many many years; and he was totally comfortable with me and with me being gay. Ive seen him naked, hes seen me naked; we have watched "adult movies" together (gay, str8, and bi), we have watched gay and str8 normal movies together, hes went with me to gay clubs, and ive gone with him to str8 clubs. Ive helped him pull girls, and hes helped me pull guys.
Did that make him in any way gay or bisexual? No. He was totally str8 and believe me I know because we DID talk about it once.

I dont understand why being told by Kelly that say Thane had developed a bit of a crush on you would disturb you. I mean, im a gay guy and it didnt disturb me to be told Tali had a crush on my StraightMan!Shep. I thought it was really sweet and kinda cute.
On my next playthru I romanced her just because of that. (My first play thru my StraightMan!Shep stayed loyal to Ashley).

Ive always believed it to be a sign of insecurity when a straight person isnt comfortable with a gay person, or cant "wrap their head around it". My friend was totally comfortable in his own sexuality and as a consequence of that he was completely comfortable with MY sexuality; he knew where he was so it didnt matter where I was if you know what i mean?

As I mentioned I have my StraightMan!Shep playthru that I imported from ME1. He was Paragon.
I also have GayMan!Shep who is secretly in love with Kaidan (in my head) and didnt romance anyone in ME1 that im going to import over to ME2 when I complete his playthru. I am holding out for bisexual Kaidan being restored to the games.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 31 juillet 2010 - 01:01 .

[Geth001]

Syledir wrote...
I am in favour of making every romance option bisexual. And I am serious about this. However, it is just a SUGGESTION. Still, I am curious. Why is it an awful idea?

Making every character romanceable to the PC regardless of gender doesn't make any sense. For starters, what are even the odds that all of the best killing machines in the galaxy are all bisexual? And in the case of aliens, both bisexual and attracted to humans? And in the case of everyone, both bisexual and attracted to Commander Shepard? And even if they are attracted to you, what are the odds of them also wanting to pusue a relationship while an entire fleet of unstoppable mecha-Cthulhus are bearing down on the galaxy at large?

By making everyone bisexual for no real reason, instead of making a believeable and wide range of romantic options, you've created a completely unrealistic sex sim hidden inside an Action RPG. There is no possible way you can write this in a good, believable fashion. None.

One of the main complaints I have about ME2 is that there's already too much sex in it. If you don't believe me, play as MaleShep and try to talk to any named, non-enemy female NPC. Chakwas and Aria and the Matriarch Bartender are the only three who don't explicitly state that they want to explore the milky way with your little Normandy (or in the case of Ashley and Liara, stated that in the first game). It's detracting from the experience as a whole purely for reasons of fanservice.

Hell, in some of the more progressive human cultures, we can't even decide if homosexuality is something that's morally right or wrong, how can we assume that other cultures don't hold the same taboos? Or have taboos towards xenophilia? Or the multitude of reasons I mentioned above? Once again, just within human culture, there are people with sexual turn-ons and turn-offs for different ethnicities, and even then we're still all human.

I might even be going too light in saying it's an awful idea, it's possibly the single worst suggestion I've heard for ME3 thus far.

Modifié par Geth001, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:10 .

[TaHol]

Rogue Unit wrote...

I've always wondered if the people requesting same sex romances were gay. I mean I know some are gay but I could never understand why a straight man would want to watch two men have sex. Are they closet homos?

No disrespect intended I'm just curious. That's all.

1. Is there sex in MassEffect? If there is, please tell me the secret code to unlock it so I can check it out.
2. There are women in the world. It may come out as a shock for you.
3. I'm a woman and all my Sheps are gay-men. SURPRISE!
4. So if I would be gay, I would be lesbian. I'm not. If it is any of your business.

[Jigero]

Wittand25 wrote...

Jigero wrote...

The lesbian thing would sorta work. It really doesn't make sense why Jack isn't a least bi curious, For soem oen who uses sex as a hand shake and has no respect for her own body or any one else, doesn't really compute. Miranda.... maybe but it's iffy. Tali might work, she's never been with a guy before, she's still quiet young. She never mentions having crushes or anything on other guys.

But I just don't see the Male thing working at all. Garrus wouldn't work you would litterally run the risk of killing each other because of Turian and human physiology. Thane, was a married man for years and can remember every sexual experience with his wife to the T, and he suddenly goes ******? yea doesn't make sense. Zaeed.... dear god I don't even wanna think about it. Grunt? good luck with that. Jacob? maybe but Jacob he's geeky and a straitlaced military man, Doubtful. Mordin? highly unlikely Salarains think about nothing but breeding and Romancing Mordin would be like trying to teach a hamster on crack french. and all that's left is Legion.... yea.... no.

The point you bring up regarding Garrus is equally standing in the way of the straight Tali and Garrus romance, and regarding his previous sexual partners the same applies as for Thane. 

Not really, The problem arises with Quarian and Turain is when they try to digest Amino Acids and vise versa for humans, Vaginal sex wouldn't really matter because the vagina does digest the semen, Oral or Anal sex on the other hand is would introduce amino/dextro acids to the digestive system.

Anyways that was really awkward to have to explaint hat.

[Whatever42]

Whatever. Put some sort of switch in the game so anyone can play the game however they want it. As long as my very hetero male shep doesn't start heavy breathing when talking to Jacob, why should I care how other people play the game?

[ElitePinecone]

Just a friendly reminder to ignore the above rant. I've PM'd some mods.

[ScotGaymer]

That was a rather random tangentially stupid rant that had little or nothing to do with the subject matter.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 31 juillet 2010 - 11:51 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Just a friendly reminder to ignore the above rant. I've PM'd some mods.

There's no need to remind it, don't worry. When I read some things I just become even more convinced about my ideas
Let's back on topic...

[LiquidGrape]

Adriano87 wrote...

Enjoy your anarchic mind.
"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."
-Aristotle

"It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims."
- Aristotle

Let us ignore Adriano's faux-intellectual outbursts and focus on more pleasant topics, shall we?

I have to say I really liked Siansonea's idea of adding a Flirt/Rebuff mechanic akin to the Paragon/Renegade interrupts. It could quickly and organically change the direction of a specific conversation, making sure that nobody is "accidentally" romanced.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:47 .

[LiquidGrape]

rynluna wrote...

Some FemSheps like staring at this:

[Imagesnip]

Bioware, make Jack a f/f romance in ME3 so Shepard can do more than just stare!

I second this notion.
With a vengeance.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:54 .

[ElitePinecone]

LiquidGrape wrote...

I have to say I really liked Siansonea's idea of adding a Flirt/Rebuff mechanic akin to the Paragon/Renegade interrupts. It could quickly and organically change the direction of a specific conversation, making sure that nobody is "accidentally" romanced.

A very interesting idea. Perhaps these 'quicktime' events (using conversation interrupts) could be tied into or work alongside the icon-marked dialogue choices that are apparently being developed for DA2? I suppose my only concern is that developing a separate (possibly branching?) Flirt and Rebuff cutscene for each romance option would need a lot of resources. It may just be simpler, from a development point of view, to use the current dialogue system augmented with clearer, less ambiguous options (to again make sure nobody accidentally romances a LI). If it's at all feasible, though, I love the idea of coded dialogue interrupts. 

[Mecha Tengu]

I support gay rommance



if both girls are hot

[CShep25]

zvbxrpl wrote...

To expand on the point M1tt3ns made several posts ago, I don't actually buy that each playthrough is fundamentally the same.  If, say, a hypothetical squadmate (let's call her Nora) romances an MShep in my playthrough and an FShep in your playthrough, and never expresses interest in characters of the opposite gender of either Shep in either playthrough (i.e. you play MShep, and Nora never expresses attraction to women, in spite of the fact that there is code available to facilitate an FShep/Nora romance in other playthroughs), then Nora is not actually bi.  Rather, just as with Shep, Nora's sexuality (and that of any other NPC that may follow the Nora template) varies based on the playthrough.  If every romanceable squaddie was availible to both MShep and FShep, then if they followed the format of this made-up squaddie Nora, it would not actually be a case of 'everyone is bi.'

That being said, there are a couple of concerns that make me, at best, skeptical of this being the way that same-sex romance gets into ME3.

First, if Bioware makes it so easy to initiate a romantic conversation path without trying, like in ME2, then all of a sudden all romanceable NPCs, and not just a subset of them, would be someone Shep can't be nice to without starting a romance, (which, seeing as I romanced Jack but still wanted to be friendly to Tali in my MShep playthrough, is something I really don't want to happen).

Second, leaving Squaddies' sexuality undefined would kind of screw with a lot of potential to flesh out NPCs' backstories.  For example, in DA:O, Leliana's sidequest would not have nearly as much emotional significance if she hadn't been in love with Marjolaine.  If that was cut in the case of male Wardens, it'd kinda suck.

So, I don't think that making all romance options availible to all Sheps would mean that everyone was bi, but at the same time, if it didn't, there could be some unwanted consequences as far as the story goes.  Rather, I think that the best way to go about facilitating same-sex romances would, in fact, be to take a leaf from DA:O's book.  Have one straight, romanceable squaddie of each gender, and one bisexual, romanceable squaddie of each gender.  I would actually add a third pair--one romanceable gay man and one romanceable lesbian.  That way, both straight Sheps and gay Sheps would have two potential romance options.*

*This is, of course, in addition to the returning romanceable NPCs.  I would probably have availible the continuation of romances started in previous games, but no more.  For example, if FShep romanced Garrus in ME2, the romance would continue in ME3, but if she did not, then he would not be available to romance in ME3.  Presumably those squaddies would have picked up on Shep's disinterest and moved on.

Agree with this. I was trying to word exactly how I think making all characters bi would ruin them without accidently being all offensive, but this sums it up succiently. Sure, technically its the most practical method of adding cheap and easy romance options on the fly for BW although we lose some depth and divergence between characters. Fighting for bisexuality or homosexuality is a fine and noble gesture, but there is the case of double standards here; by removing/retconning straight characters, we're left with the unrealistic and unlikely event of Shepard (well, my Shepard) being the only straight in the village. I'm certain the future will be pretty liberal, but given a pan-species need to reproduce, we will never see homosexuality as a majority sexual preference. So a little believable retconning of one or two characters will be fine, but making the entire crew bi simply serves as a dating sim fanservice that threatens to break immersion.

[Syledir]

@Geth001

Making every character romanceable to the PC regardless of gender doesn't make any sense. For starters, what are even the odds that all of the best killing machines in the galaxy are all bisexual? And in the case of aliens, both bisexual and attracted to humans? And in the case of everyone, both bisexual and attracted to Commander Shepard? And even if they are attracted to you, what are the odds of them also wanting to pusue a relationship while an entire fleet of unstoppable mecha-Cthulhus are bearing down on the galaxy at large?

What are the odds that all of the best killing machines in the galaxy are single? What are the odds that, despite of being the best, none of them seem to be able to take care of their own business. That they need aid from Shepard to do so? What are the odds that the romanceable killers are evenly divded in 3 males and 3 females and all are attracted to only Shepard? What are the odds that a turian (Garrus) is even attracted to a human (Shepard)?

I suck at stochastik. I couldn't answer your questions aswell as mine. But I know this. In a space adventure like Mass Effect the possibilities are infinite. And in infinity every probability, every possibility becomes a certainty. Is it possible that every one of the romanceable NPCs are straight? Yes it is. Is it possible that every one of the romanceable NPCs are bisexual? Yes it is. Remember being bisexual doesn't mean that you can't prefer one gender over the other.

By making everyone bisexual for no real reason, instead of making a
believeable and wide range of romantic options, you've created a
completely unrealistic sex sim hidden inside an Action RPG. There is no
possible way you can write this in a good, believable fashion. None.

Isn't that already the case? I am using the default Shepard as an example. Playing as John Shepard in Mass Effect 2 was like playing the showcase of the fantasy of a 13-year-old boy. Everywhere Shepard goes men envy him, no exceptions. Everywhere Shepard looks women lust for him, ALL of them. But that is how BioWare designed the game.

One of the main complaints I have about ME2 is that there's already too
much sex in it. If you don't believe me, play as MaleShep and try to
talk to any named, non-enemy female NPC. Chakwas and Aria and the
Matriarch Bartender are the only three who don't explicitly state that
they want to explore the milky way with your little Normandy (or in the
case of Ashley and Liara, stated that in the first game). It's
detracting from the experience as a whole purely for reasons of
fanservice.

I know what you mean. While I didn't have a problem sidestepping every possible romance with maleshep, I had to tread lightly, though. It was taxing and annoying. No plus for the game experience. I was able to do the loyality missions and earn the trust of the female NPCs. But friendly relationship was never possible. Either it was romance or a co-worker relationship.

However, BioWare is constantly trying to improve game mechanics. I am convinced, they are aware of this particular problem. If the new dialogue system of Dragon Age 2 is any indication, I believe such problems will be a thing in the past in Mass Effect 3, if not the DLC that is supposed to build the bridge between Part 2 and 3.

I might even be going too light in saying it's an awful idea, it's
possibly the single worst suggestion I've heard for ME3 thus far.

Uhm...well...So, you don't approve?

[Tirigon]

Geth001 wrote...

Syledir wrote...
I am in favour of making every romance option bisexual. And I am serious about this. However, it is just a SUGGESTION. Still, I am curious. Why is it an awful idea?

Making every character romanceable to the PC regardless of gender doesn't make any sense. For starters, what are even the odds that all of the best killing machines in the galaxy are all bisexual? And in the case of aliens, both bisexual and attracted to humans? And in the case of everyone, both bisexual and attracted to Commander Shepard? And even if they are attracted to you, what are the odds of them also wanting to pusue a relationship while an entire fleet of unstoppable mecha-Cthulhus are bearing down on the galaxy at large?

By making everyone bisexual for no real reason, instead of making a believeable and wide range of romantic options, you've created a completely unrealistic sex sim hidden inside an Action RPG. There is no possible way you can write this in a good, believable fashion. None.

Wrong. There IS a believable way. It has to be done in a way that they don´t come out to you, but only fall in love with Shepard if s/he actively flirts with them. So, while everyone would be a possible bisexual LI, only 1 character in each game is actually interested in Shepard, so that IN EACH INDIVIDUAL PLAYTHROUGH there is only 1 LI that is either straight or gay; however, IN ANOTHER PLAYTHROUGH the same character can be a straight best buddy guy and someone else is your gay LI.

[Rogue Unit]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Wow.  I asked a question,  no need to do the whole sighing "I have to explain this to another idiot" act. But thanks for explaining that to me.  Im for you guys getting what you want as long as they dont come on to me and I don't have to really hear about their sexuality unless your romancing them. Like how Kelly tells you Tali is interested in you, her saying the same thing about Jacob would disturb me.

This goes both ways.

Hey man. You actually seem like quite a nice fella. But I am sorry to say that your ignorance about gay folks and bisexual people actually borders on homophobia.

And before you cry "im not homophobic!" like most do in this situation, you are certainly coming off that way. Let me inform you now that it just as it is possible to be racist via indifference and willful ignorance it is also possible to be homophobic in the same manner.

I dont believe for a moment that you are stupid or that you are meaning to be homophobic; but im afraid you are.
And as Sioneasa(sp?) II said if you are younger then your viewpoint is understandable but if you are older than say 22ish then your really should have outgrown it by now.

I mean yikes.

Its perfectly possible for a straight man (or woman) to appreciate homosexual content (dependant on the context of course) in a game or a movie or a book; just as it is possible for a homosexual man (or woman) to appreciate heterosexual content.
I had a friend growing up who was a str8 bloke and he was my best friend for many many years; and he was totally comfortable with me and with me being gay. Ive seen him naked, hes seen me naked; we have watched "adult movies" together (gay, str8, and bi), we have watched gay and str8 normal movies together, hes went with me to gay clubs, and ive gone with him to str8 clubs. Ive helped him pull girls, and hes helped me pull guys.
Did that make him in any way gay or bisexual? No. He was totally str8 and believe me I know because we DID talk about it once.

I dont understand why being told by Kelly that say Thane had developed a bit of a crush on you would disturb you. I mean, im a gay guy and it didnt disturb me to be told Tali had a crush on my StraightMan!Shep. I thought it was really sweet and kinda cute.
On my next playthru I romanced her just because of that. (My first play thru my StraightMan!Shep stayed loyal to Ashley).

Ive always believed it to be a sign of insecurity when a straight person isnt comfortable with a gay person, or cant "wrap their head around it". My friend was totally comfortable in his own sexuality and as a consequence of that he was completely comfortable with MY sexuality; he knew where he was so it didnt matter where I was if you know what i mean?

As I mentioned I have my StraightMan!Shep playthru that I imported from ME1. He was Paragon.
I also have GayMan!Shep who is secretly in love with Kaidan (in my head) and didnt romance anyone in ME1 that im going to import over to ME2 when I complete his playthru. I am holding out for bisexual Kaidan being restored to the games.

I completely understand. But being uncomfortable with something (At least for me) isn't something you choose. I don't say "If this gay guy flirts with me Im just to be uncomfortable," I just am.  Just because Im not totally fine with a gay guy flirting with me doesnt mean I fly off the handle and instantly devolp hate for that person I just dont like the attention.

You and other people make valid points and do it in a noncondescending way for that I thank you but I can't just change what that situation would make me feel, I can hide it and politely decline but I'll still feel uncomfortable. Im still young (17) So maybe it'll fade with time but for now thats how I feel and I dont think it's anything wrong with it.

Again thanks to anyone who responded to me in a sensable way. For whats its worth I hope you get what you guys want I just hope it isn't forced on anyone who doesnt want it. Two way street there.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 31 juillet 2010 - 05:37 .

[catabuca]

Rogue Unit wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Wow.  I asked a question,  no need to do the whole sighing "I have to explain this to another idiot" act. But thanks for explaining that to me.  Im for you guys getting what you want as long as they dont come on to me and I don't have to really hear about their sexuality unless your romancing them. Like how Kelly tells you Tali is interested in you, her saying the same thing about Jacob would disturb me.

This goes both ways.

Hey man. You actually seem like quite a nice fella. But I am sorry to say that your ignorance about gay folks and bisexual people actually borders on homophobia.

And before you cry "im not homophobic!" like most do in this situation, you are certainly coming off that way. Let me inform you now that it just as it is possible to be racist via indifference and willful ignorance it is also possible to be homophobic in the same manner.

I dont believe for a moment that you are stupid or that you are meaning to be homophobic; but im afraid you are.
And as Sioneasa(sp?) II said if you are younger then your viewpoint is understandable but if you are older than say 22ish then your really should have outgrown it by now.

I mean yikes.

Its perfectly possible for a straight man (or woman) to appreciate homosexual content (dependant on the context of course) in a game or a movie or a book; just as it is possible for a homosexual man (or woman) to appreciate heterosexual content.
I had a friend growing up who was a str8 bloke and he was my best friend for many many years; and he was totally comfortable with me and with me being gay. Ive seen him naked, hes seen me naked; we have watched "adult movies" together (gay, str8, and bi), we have watched gay and str8 normal movies together, hes went with me to gay clubs, and ive gone with him to str8 clubs. Ive helped him pull girls, and hes helped me pull guys.
Did that make him in any way gay or bisexual? No. He was totally str8 and believe me I know because we DID talk about it once.

I dont understand why being told by Kelly that say Thane had developed a bit of a crush on you would disturb you. I mean, im a gay guy and it didnt disturb me to be told Tali had a crush on my StraightMan!Shep. I thought it was really sweet and kinda cute.
On my next playthru I romanced her just because of that. (My first play thru my StraightMan!Shep stayed loyal to Ashley).

Ive always believed it to be a sign of insecurity when a straight person isnt comfortable with a gay person, or cant "wrap their head around it". My friend was totally comfortable in his own sexuality and as a consequence of that he was completely comfortable with MY sexuality; he knew where he was so it didnt matter where I was if you know what i mean?

As I mentioned I have my StraightMan!Shep playthru that I imported from ME1. He was Paragon.
I also have GayMan!Shep who is secretly in love with Kaidan (in my head) and didnt romance anyone in ME1 that im going to import over to ME2 when I complete his playthru. I am holding out for bisexual Kaidan being restored to the games.

I completely understand. But being uncomfortable with something (At least for me) isn't something you choose. I don't say "If this gay guy flirts with me Im just to be uncomfortable," I just am.  Just because Im not totally fine with a gay guy flirting with me doesnt mean I fly off the handle and instantly devolp hate for that person I just dont like the attention.

You and other people make valid points and do it in a noncondescending way for that I thank you but I can't just change what that situation would make me feel, I can hide it and politely decline but I'll still feel uncomfortable. Im still young (17) So maybe it'll fade with time but for now thats how I feel and I dont think it's anything wrong with it.

Again thanks to anyone who responded to me in a sensable way. For whats its worth I hope you get what you guys want I just hope it isn't forced on anyone who doesnt want it. Two way street there.

Excellent exchange between you two. You're both a credit to how this discussion should be approached.

Of course some feel uncomfortable in certain situations, for many different reasons - some of them rational, some of them irrational. The key is mutual respect.

Rogue Unit - I think (I hope) most of us on this thread agree we don't want anyone to force anything on anyone. In fact, we've talked at length about the way the femShep/Jacob dialogue works as an example of how Bioware got it really, really badly wrong. My femShep simply can't speak to Jacob on the Normandy at all if she doesn't want to have a relationship with him, because it seems that whichever dialogue you choose she sounds like she's going to rip his pants off there and then. Now, that makes me feel uncomfortable, but that's down to bad writing and bad implementation. If the writers better focus on well-written relationships (platonic and romantic) where the player has clear opportunities to initiate a romantic liaison then it would eliminate any awkward moments like the femShep/Jacob bits for both f/m relationships and s/s relationships. That way, everyone's a winner

[Whatever42]

Thinking about this, I'm starting to feel like I dislike the whole romance mechanic in this game. Its making every character in the game exactly what you want that character to be. Want thane to be a buddy who has no interest in you? No problem. Want him to be hetero is madly in love with you? Sounds good. Want him to be gay and have him sit around in your cabin picking out wallpaper designs? Go for it.



They've become not so much characters in a story but little dolls with which you can have tea parties.



I actually like Kelly best because there is a little mystery there. The others are simple, press A for bromance, press B for torrid love affair, press C for casual sex in my cabin.

[CShep25]

We need more Samaras. Rejection ftw.