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[Tirigon]

Wittand25 wrote...

Back to the topic of gays in space please everyone.
If there is ever a gay character in the ME franchise I think that we would all agree that he should be a more serious, less flirty character Kaidan from ME1 or Hendel from the second book.
I was thinking about the coming DLC and was thinking, if Bioware makes it possible to romance Liara in the DLC, even if you did not romance her in ME1, would you consider it a good idea if a Virmire survivor DLC comes out that does the same ( of course regardless of gender ) ?

That DLC would be useful indeed.

Btw, it´s quite funny the Liara romance is only in DLC. Apparently it is because ME1 got banned in some countries for having a lesbain romance. I find it sad that BioWare cut it in ME2 to avoid such a thing. A company should not let itself be stopped from idiot laws.
They should have released the game WITH same-sex content and the hater coutries be damned. The fans could still get the game in a less f*cked-up neighbour country.

[zvbxrpl]

For what it's worth, I saw a much older stereotype in Zevran than the "effeminate, promiscuous gay man," or "bisexual who screws anything that moves" ones.  As soon as I heard his accent, I figured we would be getting the old Quadruple-S:  The Sexy, Suave, Swashbuckling Spaniard.  The fact that he has many, many sexual conquests and a sophistication and love of luxury that seems effeminate (more so compared to the ubermasculine rugged gritty thuggish grunting musclebound grimdark that's popular for male heroes in the average video game today) would be part of his character archetype even if he was straight.

Besides, Zev's so damn likeable, and, in spite of a lot of the vibes he gives off, in a lot of ways he's very unselfish and loyal.  I can't not at least be buddies with him and indulge the flirting, no matter the specifics of the Warden I make.  As I've said before, he's like a horny puppy dog.



As to how a gay Shepard would save the galaxy, I'ma have to go with shooting bad guys.  Seems like it would work.

[Kenrae]

Optimystic_X wrote...
I agree that there is a double standard here, and one that needs to end. To understand how it came about, one has to look at history. Women using sexuality as a weapon, to borrow your phrasing, is opposing a stereotype, rather than furthering one.

Sorry, WHAT?! What world do you live in? Not the Earth, mind you. Women using sexuality as a weapon is more of an stereotype than anything else mentioned here.

[Kenrae]

zvbxrpl wrote...

For what it's worth, I saw a much older stereotype in Zevran than the "effeminate, promiscuous gay man," or "bisexual who screws anything that moves" ones.  As soon as I heard his accent, I figured we would be getting the old Quadruple-S:  The Sexy, Suave, Swashbuckling Spaniard.  The fact that he has many, many sexual conquests and a sophistication and love of luxury that seems effeminate (more so compared to the ubermasculine rugged gritty thuggish grunting musclebound grimdark that's popular for male heroes in the average video game today) would be part of his character archetype even if he was straight.

Hey, I'm a Spaniard, I should be offended by that stereotype. At least they didn't include bullfighting .
Besides, Zevran accent didn't sound Spanish to me. I thought Antiva was a sort of Middle East until I found some more people from there in Denerim.

[ScotGaymer]

Wittand25 wrote...

Back to the topic of gays in space please everyone.
If there is ever a gay character in the ME franchise I think that we would all agree that he should be a more serious, less flirty character Kaidan from ME1 or Hendel from the second book.
I was thinking about the coming DLC and was thinking, if Bioware makes it possible to romance Liara in the DLC, even if you did not romance her in ME1, would you consider it a good idea if a Virmire survivor DLC comes out that does the same ( of course regardless of gender ) ?

Lol.

Gays in Space. Love it.

Well I had thought Bioware were talking about releasing a Romance Pack DLC that expands the romances? Or am I wrong here?
If they do it may well include a gay or bi character...

[ElitePinecone]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Well I had thought Bioware were talking about releasing a Romance Pack DLC that expands the romances? Or am I wrong here?
If they do it may well include a gay or bi character...

I believe a Bioware exec was originally asked about it in an interview, and said something along the lines that it was "an interesting idea". As far as I'm aware there's been no subsequent discussion of it at all (at least by Bioware - the interwebs have taken the idea and ran with it). I don't think it was something that Bioware ever planned to do - though the option remains, obviously, if they decide they like the idea. Given the high demands on Bioware to produce moar mission-oriented DLC and, obviously, ME3, I don't see them diverting resources to this kind of romance pack. 

ME3 - where characterisation and romance design will presumably operate from a relatively clean slate - is another story. It's very possible - I'd go as far as saying relatively easy - to introduce well-rounded, realistic same-sex love interests. Bioware have proved their skill at effective characterisation.

[zvbxrpl]

Kenrae wrote...

zvbxrpl wrote...

For what it's worth, I saw a much older stereotype in Zevran than the "effeminate, promiscuous gay man," or "bisexual who screws anything that moves" ones.  As soon as I heard his accent, I figured we would be getting the old Quadruple-S:  The Sexy, Suave, Swashbuckling Spaniard.  The fact that he has many, many sexual conquests and a sophistication and love of luxury that seems effeminate (more so compared to the ubermasculine rugged gritty thuggish grunting musclebound grimdark that's popular for male heroes in the average video game today) would be part of his character archetype even if he was straight.

Hey, I'm a Spaniard, I should be offended by that stereotype. At least they didn't include bullfighting .
Besides, Zevran accent didn't sound Spanish to me. I thought Antiva was a sort of Middle East until I found some more people from there in Denerim.

Ah, Dragon Age accents...  The best you can do is figure out what Bioware meant them to be.

[Kenrae]

zvbxrpl wrote...
Ah, Dragon Age accents...  The best you can do is figure out what Bioware meant them to be.

Maybe the problem is that the person doing VO for Zevran was an American faking a Spanish accent (Jon Curry) instead of a Spanish himself (like they did with Leliana, Corinne Kempa is half French, AFAIK). And Zevran isn't a Spanish name neither, but I suppose it's supposed to be Dalish.

BTW, I find amussing that people from Orlais speak Ferelden amongst themselves, as you can see in Leliana's Song:P.

[PsyrenY]

Kenrae wrote...





Sorry, WHAT?! What world do you live in?
Not the Earth, mind you. Women using sexuality as a weapon is more of an
stereotype than anything else mentioned here.

So is them being demure, prudish and not wanting sex at all. But there is no such stereotype for gays.
And while Leliana and Morrigan are both very sensual characters, they still lack the "hump everything that moves" mentality Zevran has.

And I want to stress again that I like the fact that Zevran was included in Dragon Age and definitely want to encourage Bioware more in that direction. I'm just hoping their next gay love interest won't be a sex fiend.

FitScotGaymer wrote...



Lol.



Gays in Space. Love it.



Well I had thought Bioware were talking about releasing a Romance Pack DLC that expands the romances? Or am I wrong here?

If they do it may well include a gay or bi character...

I would definitely buy it.

ElitePinecone wrote...

Given the high demands on Bioware to produce moar mission-oriented DLC and, obviously, ME3, I don't see them diverting resources to this kind of romance pack. 

The thing is, how many resources would this divert exactly? I don't claim to have any powerful insight into the game design process, but it seems to me that  the people that would be writing the romances wouldn't be the same people designing the additional firefights.

[PsyrenY]

I'd get it even if it wasn't free. And anybody it might offend simply has to not get it.



Make it so, Bioware!

[Poaches]

Right.. lets introduce a new double standard where certain people pay more because it might offend the sensibilities of some equally fringed people, or, has the reverse already happened? In that case, why not have people pay to remove s/s on their copy, that'll be ever so much more fun. Or maybe it would be best to wait for the headline "Parents Outraged: Bioware introduces gay sex as DLC" I'm sure that's what some people secretly want.



Ugh, does this thread have to go in circles everytime someone decides to come in and tell everyone they hate having their manhood compromised?



It'll be like BW daring to pull a "After we saw this reaction, we are wondering if it was worth it" on black characters because Jacob's reception was bad.

[PsyrenY]

I'm not saying it shouldn't be free, just that compensating them for the extra writing they'd need to patch a gay romance into ME2 would be money well spent on my end.

I of course would rather that they just include s/s relationships baseline.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 05 août 2010 - 06:56 .

[FataliTensei]

Poaches wrote...

It'll be like BW daring to pull a "After we saw this reaction, we are wondering if it was worth it" on black characters because Jacob's reception was bad.

BW would catch alot of bad press for that

Modifié par FataliTensei, 05 août 2010 - 10:20 .

[Poaches]

Of course, but that's your double standard right there.

I for one is saddened that the discordance of naming shep "Matthew Shepard" is lost on so many.

Modifié par Poaches, 05 août 2010 - 10:46 .

[Cootie]

Ooh! Ooh! New amazing discussion time!



Would you pay for a DLC that would unlock same-sex romances for ME-2?

If you don't because it doesn't appeal to you, that goes without saying. But if it DOES appeal to you and you don't want to pay for it, how come? What would you like instead?

[PsyrenY]

I would, simply because ME2 is already complete and the writing staff deserve to be compensated for spending more time on a finished product.



ME3 is another matter.

[zvbxrpl]

I, um, don't know about paying for the DLC. I really don't plan more trilogy playthroughs than the one MaleShep and one FemShep that I've already started. Alexander Shepard is probably sticking with Jack for the rest of the series, and as for Amelia Shepard, I've only played through ME1 so far, where I Jossed Kaidan on Virmire. I'm playing her as paragade in the first, then renegon, then we'll see. I'm sorta going for "progressively grimdarker as she becomes more alone." A little maudlin, but, hey, it's not easy to make the renegade choices sympathetic, especially in ME2.



So I guess I probably won't buy the DLC for either of my Sheps, but if it's free I might download it just 'cause it's there.



I have to say, if the choice is between being PO'd that BioWare is making us pay extra for something that ought to be there in the first place, and putting aside any qualms in favor of buying something that lets me experience the game the way I want to, I'll go with the second choice every time. That would be true if this was about same-sex romance options, more acutely RPG-ish gameplay, or an actual personality for Jacob.

[catabuca]

I think the only way they could include any s/s romance with the Virmire survivor in DLC (if they did indeed decide to go down that route rather than a new character) would be to have it as an extended mission pack (like Overlord) where you find out the VS is in trouble and you have to help them out. It'd be a normal mission pack, with several things to achieve, with its own story, new locations etc., and at the end the VS would react dependent on whether you were already in a relationship with them (so femShep and Kaidan), or there could be a dialogue prompt that, if you choose it, makes it clear your manShep wants a bit of Kaidan action, and so triggers similar responses. Of course, if you are manShep and your VS was Kaidan but you don't want to get jiggy with him, the appropriate dialogue option to choose would be one like "I'm glad I got here in time, buddy" instead of "Of course I'd always come and rescue you, you know I love you".



So, yeah, the only way I can see additional romance DLC coming is as an incidental part of larger mission/assignment DLC. Otherwise the press would have a field day. It'll be interesting to see how it's handled with Liara. I don't have any saves with her as LI, so I guess I'll have to watch youtube

[ElitePinecone]

catabuca wrote...

I think the only way they could include any s/s romance with the Virmire survivor in DLC (if they did indeed decide to go down that route rather than a new character) would be to have it as an extended mission pack (like Overlord) where you find out the VS is in trouble and you have to help them out. It'd be a normal mission pack, with several things to achieve, with its own story, new locations etc., and at the end the VS would react dependent on whether you were already in a relationship with them (so femShep and Kaidan), or there could be a dialogue prompt that, if you choose it, makes it clear your manShep wants a bit of Kaidan action, and so triggers similar responses. Of course, if you are manShep and your VS was Kaidan but you don't want to get jiggy with him, the appropriate dialogue option to choose would be one like "I'm glad I got here in time, buddy" instead of "Of course I'd always come and rescue you, you know I love you".

So, yeah, the only way I can see additional romance DLC coming is as an incidental part of larger mission/assignment DLC. Otherwise the press would have a field day. It'll be interesting to see how it's handled with Liara. I don't have any saves with her as LI, so I guess I'll have to watch youtube

Interesting. I can almost see this happening as part of (as you said) larger story-based DLC. Bioware did say that they would start to move from post-ME2 DLC (i.e. unrelated mission packs) to pre-ME3 story pack DLC. It's conceivable, given the very short appearance of the Virmire survivor in ME2, that they could/would/should appear in pre-ME3 DLC. And of course it would be relatively easy to weave romance-interest dialogue in there somewhere. At the very least it could simply switch Shepard's romance flag to the Virmire survivor, allowing further development in ME3 (whatever form that takes). 

[Poaches]

I get the impression of splicing romances into future DLC's can get a bit weird. It would become entirely dependent on you having bought the DLC or not.



Then people would complain the option would not exist in ME3 unless they're bought a DLC from the older game. Dunno if developers would be willing to create content that only caters to the long existing fanbase, seeing how "accessible" they've been making it.



And the inevitable complaints of inserting "undesirable content" into DLC of course. You can just imagine for example, if the shadow broker DLC suddenly made Feron or Tazzik LI's everyone would rage that it ruined the whole thing for them; taking up space for subjectively better content.



"We could've had soooo much more depth to the Tali vs. Liara cat fight instead of this crap!"

[M8DMAN]

Tirigon wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

And finally Legion should most definately NEVER be romancable given he is an ASEXUAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT.  WE HAVE REACHED CONSENSUS THAT GETH HAVE A RIGHT TO ENGAGE IN SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS  WITH HUMANS IF THEY WISH TO DO SO.
WE WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WE RESENT THE HUMAN´S ATTEMPT TO DECIDE FOR US.
TAKING DECISIONS FOR OTHERS IS THE HERETIC´S AND THE OLD MACHINE´S WAY. IT IS NOT THE GETH WAY. RESPECT OUR FREEDOM HUMAN!!!!!!!

Geth don't even have penises.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 07 août 2010 - 04:30 .

[rabidhanar]

M8DMAN wrote...

Geth dont even have penises.

......Okay im walking away now. What is wrong with you M8DMAN, shame on you.

[M8DMAN]

rabidhanar wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

Geth dont even have penises.

......Okay im walking away now. What is wrong with you M8DMAN, shame on you.

Doing a geth would be like having sex with a ken doll.

[DigitalMonster]

Just a quick suggestion,



I feel it might be a good idea to use the Contact Us in the Support section of the EA website and voice our desire for same sex romance in the Mass Effect Series. Maybe the more people voice their opion directly to EA they make actually take it into consideration to include same sex romance through DLC, a patch, or in ME3.



Just a thought.