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[alienatedflea]

digital...thats a terrible idea...because its bioware developing the game...not EA...if you do that then youre running the risk that the game would be ruined because EA isnt making the game and will force bioware (possibly unwillingly) to include s/s...i personally dont think it will work out in the trilogy because the story was already complete...just making the game now...to include s/s changes the story thus losing its consistency (which has been shown in this thread that some people do not care for consistency) so making more complains to fix something thats not really broken is stupid in my opinion

[Ziggy]

alienatedflea wrote...
digital...thats a terrible idea...because its bioware developing the game...not EA...if you do that then youre running the risk that the game would be ruined because EA isnt making the game and will force bioware (possibly unwillingly) to include s/s...i personally dont think it will work out in the trilogy because the story was already complete...just making the game now...to include s/s changes the story thus losing its consistency (which has been shown in this thread that some people do not care for consistency) so making more complains to fix something thats not really broken is stupid in my opinion

Giving Shepard the option to be homosexual does not mean that he/she is automatically always homosexual - you have to select the option for it to be the case.If you think shep being homosexual ruins consistency then don't make your shep homosexual.
You should let other people decide for themselves though.

[Poaches]

Why, I've never seen so much flattery for plot holes. but whatever,

petitions were always lackluster in effectiveness anyway; I just buy the games when they get dirt cheap. Equal support for equal treatment.

Do enlighten us, what is this intangible consistency that has long since been established? I call ass pull.

Modifié par Poaches, 07 août 2010 - 06:50 .

[DigitalMonster]

alienatedflea wrote...

digital...thats a terrible idea...because its bioware developing the game...not EA...if you do that then youre running the risk that the game would be ruined because EA isnt making the game and will force bioware (possibly unwillingly) to include s/s...i personally dont think it will work out in the trilogy because the story was already complete...just making the game now...to include s/s changes the story thus losing its consistency (which has been shown in this thread that some people do not care for consistency) so making more complains to fix something thats not really broken is stupid in my opinion

Not to sound rude or anything, but how would allowing the possibility of a same sex romance for Shepard ruin the game? No one is saying Shepard should be forced to be gay, just allow the option for it. And say that the option was enabled, how would having a romance with someone of the same gender ruin the game? Just because Shepard is gay he can't defeat the reapers?

A possible suggestion, what about the option to have a male assistant instead of Kelly? That way not only could male Shepards have the option of a same sex romance with the assistant, but female Shepards could have a heterosexual romance with this assistant. Im not exactly sure how to implement this, perhaps when you first board the Normandy you are introduced to Kelly and the male assistant and asked which one you would like to work for you. Any ideas?

[ScotGaymer]

DigitalMonster wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

digital...thats a terrible idea...because its bioware developing the game...not EA...if you do that then youre running the risk that the game would be ruined because EA isnt making the game and will force bioware (possibly unwillingly) to include s/s...i personally dont think it will work out in the trilogy because the story was already complete...just making the game now...to include s/s changes the story thus losing its consistency (which has been shown in this thread that some people do not care for consistency) so making more complains to fix something thats not really broken is stupid in my opinion

Not to sound rude or anything, but how would allowing the possibility of a same sex romance for Shepard ruin the game? No one is saying Shepard should be forced to be gay, just allow the option for it. And say that the option was enabled, how would having a romance with someone of the same gender ruin the game? Just because Shepard is gay he can't defeat the reapers?

A possible suggestion, what about the option to have a male assistant instead of Kelly? That way not only could male Shepards have the option of a same sex romance with the assistant, but female Shepards could have a heterosexual romance with this assistant. Im not exactly sure how to implement this, perhaps when you first board the Normandy you are introduced to Kelly and the male assistant and asked which one you would like to work for you. Any ideas?

I wouldnt even try. Hes a troll.

The fact that he types his posts in one long sentence should tell you he is doing his best to be as difficult as possible. He cant even present his arguements in a coherent sensible fashion.

He doesnt seem to be able to grasp this "choice" and "equality" thing that we have been going on about either; and the only reason he seems to be able to come up with is its "not consistent" which is blatant bullcrap.

Its not consistent to have lesbian femshep and not gay manshep.
Its not consistent to have full s/s romance in Jade Empire and not Mass Effect.
Its not consistent to have good s/s romance in Dragon Age and not Mass Effect.
Having s/s WOULD be consistent.

He has yet to actually articulate any real reason for his anti-s/s viewpoint. The only reason we can come up with is he is a homophobic moron who selectively doesnt understand english.

[ElitePinecone]

Try to remain civil guys.



Poaches, in response to your earlier post, I think this specific idea for a DLC romance was only referring to the Virmire-surviving squadmate (i.e. Kaidan or Ashley), which every ME2 player has, including those who never played the original ME. The s/s content (and romance), on top of a mission or story pack, would be merely altering the romance flag so the game believes the player romanced either Ash or Kaidan in the original ME - allowing this romance to be carried over to ME3 (and assuming ME3 would enable this reunion romance with Ash/Kaidan). It would be difficult to implement, I agree - but it's an interesting idea.



As for players whining about subjectively better content - I'd imagine that's a given anyway, no matter what the DLC actually is. There have been praise and scorn for various gameplay features, DLC and plot points all over this forum. We only need to look at the spread of "I hate [character x]" banners to realise that subjective bias is literally everywhere. We're practicing it in this thread

[Universitas_C]

Dropping by to say that I strongly support s/s (especially M/M) romance for ME.

[Poaches]

In a way though, by adding the Virmire squadmate to be an s/s option after the fact, really weakens all the character development they would of had if they were in the original though. No courtship, no romancing... eh. All of that just gets added as if it already happened?



I'm still for a new character option, where there will still be room for character development.

[alienatedflea]

OH geez...i was talking about EA...EA is not making the game...Bioware is...EA owns bioware...so to force a problem on EA that the homosexuals and lesibans want their loving too (which i dont care because i tried to have a rational arguement about not fixing something thats not broken in here before) youre forcing the issue with a entity that is not developing the game...so if you do get your way of s/s however the freak you want it...its gonna be slammed down by bioware bc EA told bioware to include it...and if that happens, all of you people will continue to complain that the s/s wasnt like what they thought it would be and blah blah blah...sooo thats all i was trying to say...continue on with this "i wish shep was gay in my playthrough because i thought me and garrus had something or my femshep had something with miranda" thread...sorry

[LOLgarrusLOL]

Great, Gayshep.

Modifié par LOLgarrusLOL, 08 août 2010 - 03:12 .

[ScotGaymer]

alienatedflea wrote...

OH geez...i was talking about EA...EA is not making the game...Bioware is...EA owns bioware...so to force a problem on EA that the homosexuals and lesibans want their loving too (which i dont care because i tried to have a rational arguement about not fixing something thats not broken in here before) youre forcing the issue with a entity that is not developing the game...so if you do get your way of s/s however the freak you want it...its gonna be slammed down by bioware bc EA told bioware to include it...and if that happens, all of you people will continue to complain that the s/s wasnt like what they thought it would be and blah blah blah...sooo thats all i was trying to say...continue on with this "i wish shep was gay in my playthrough because i thought me and garrus had something or my femshep had something with miranda" thread...sorry

Oh you are so full of bullcrap.

"I Have tried to have a rational arguement". My butt you have.

I am sorry but you have done nothing but cry about "I dont want to be forced to be gay in my ME game!" since u first posted; you havent changed a single statement.
We tried to explain to you that you wouldnt be forced into anything; your Shep would remain str8 as an arrow if yuo want him to. We have tried to explain that we would just like the ADDITIONAL OPTIONAL inclusion of M/M romance to remain consistent with the F/F romance thats already in and the s/s in other bioware games.

You completely ignored every single question , and logical rational counter point to every single ridiculous point you brought up. You kept saying the same thing over and over and over.
Its irritating and rude. Its no wonder everyone here thinks your a troll. We were trying to talk to you, dicuss with you, educate you. But you dont want to talk or discuss. You just want to sit and cry and **** and moan about not wanting "teh gayz" to ruin "your" game.

Tried to have a rational arguement. HA!

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 08 août 2010 - 03:32 .

[Magnus_The_Red]

I'm a straigh man but I fully support the cause for s/s conent.^.^

[Tirigon]

M8DMAN wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

And finally Legion should most definately NEVER be romancable given he is an ASEXUAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT.  WE HAVE REACHED CONSENSUS THAT GETH HAVE A RIGHT TO ENGAGE IN SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS  WITH HUMANS IF THEY WISH TO DO SO.
WE WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WE RESENT THE HUMAN´S ATTEMPT TO DECIDE FOR US.
TAKING DECISIONS FOR OTHERS IS THE HERETIC´S AND THE OLD MACHINE´S WAY. IT IS NOT THE GETH WAY. RESPECT OUR FREEDOM HUMAN!!!!!!!

Geth don't even have penises.

Want me to PM a link to Geth porn?

Also, sex robots are quite the market in Japan, and Geth could easily upload themselves into such a sex robot if they wish......

[Tirigon]

Magnus_The_Red wrote...

I'm a straigh man but I fully support the cause for s/s conent.^.^

Not trying to be offensive, but I find it funny how you and some other tolerant people need to express their on straightness when stating their support

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Tirigon wrote...

Magnus_The_Red wrote...

I'm a straigh man but I fully support the cause for s/s conent.^.^

Not trying to be offensive, but I find it funny how you and some other tolerant people need to express their on straightness when stating their support

I think, among other things, that it's a way of combatting the idea that 'only' gay men could be interested in the inclusion of s/s romances in ME (ignoring f/f for the moment, since all the objectors to s/s do) - and subsequently combatting any dismissal of the argument for reasons of it being 'too niche,' or 'not appealing to enough people' becuase gay men just don't make up enough of the general gaming population to worry about. Or something. If it were really a numbers game, then that sort of thing does make a difference.

It doesn't really work on the antis, of course (more's the pity), and the legitimacy of the argument doesn't ultimately rely on the support of straights, but the intentions are benign, I think.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 08 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[Nordic Einar]

Tirigon wrote...

Magnus_The_Red wrote...

I'm a straigh man but I fully support the cause for s/s conent.^.^

Not trying to be offensive, but I find it funny how you and some other tolerant people need to express their on straightness when stating their support

Funny, I'm pretty sure having "Straight Allies" is a hugely successful strategy when it comes to anything related to equalizing the LGBT minority. By acknowledging that you don't have to be gay to want this, it opens the door for more straights to support it.

It's no different then myself being a feminist - I'm not broadly declaring the fact that I'm male because I'm afraid people might think I'm "totally a chick" for supporting feminism. I'm declaring I'm male because it's important to see that there are, gasp, male feminists.

[Maugrim]

Tirigon wrote...

Magnus_The_Red wrote...

I'm a straigh man but I fully support the cause for s/s conent.^.^

Not trying to be offensive, but I find it funny how you and some other tolerant people need to express their on straightness when stating their support

It's not really funny, actually it's pretty damn important to have straight, and particularily straight male support for this issue since they make up the single largest gaming demographic that main stream games try to appeal to.  Part of the issue is that the higher up are obviously afraid of the young american male demographic reacting negatively to getting a full blown gay romance in their space marine game.  Which is just silly because all the polls show that the younger you are the less of a problem you have with homosexuality.  Anyways yes post like this are important, more than me going on and on about the issue.  I'm only one gay female after all, hardly the main demographic

ETA: Twice spanked, by men no less...this is gonna be awkward

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 08 août 2010 - 05:31 .

[Nordic Einar]

Oh, don't worry honey. Twas a love tap and nothing more; you've got nothing I want

[Jaron Oberyn]

Not to be offensive or anything, but you do realize that this never going to happen right? The same request was made for Mass Effect 2 and it never happened. I know you guys like to be optimistic, but what makes you think Bioware will add it in the third game, after they said it wouldn't be in the trilogy? And I remember hearing somewhere that the reason it wasn't in the game was because, don't quote me on this until I dig up the article, Vanderloo is a homophobe and would walk if they have his character gay/straight. 

Again, I'll try to find the article where I read this, but if this is the case it will never happen. It's not that I don't support it or anything, although I wouldn't play a Shepard like that, but given the track record of the first 2 games, bioware's comments on it, and this supposed stance from Vanderloo I just don't think you guys should be setting yourselves up to be disappointed again.

But that's just my 2 cents. Carry on. 

-Polite

[Tirigon]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Not to be offensive or anything, but you do realize that this never going to happen right? The same request was made for Mass Effect 2 and it never happened. I know you guys like to be optimistic, but what makes you think Bioware will add it in the third game, after they said it wouldn't be in the trilogy? And I remember hearing somewhere that the reason it wasn't in the game was because, don't quote me on this until I dig up the article, Vanderloo is a homophobe and would walk if they have his character gay/straight. 

If this is true, it´s one more reason to have a gay Shepard. Mass Effect could only become better if that ugly idiot would stop being Shepard.

[Divine Justinia V]

I support this. It's clear that femshep can have lesbian romances, but the maleshep can't? However, I'm wide aware that this will never happen ~ but it's still a good cause.





ps; please stop stereotyping people that are 20 and under. We're not all ignorant little children if we're 18. (not that anyone that's posted in this thread is)

[Deviija]

makenzieshepard wrote...
Part of the issue is that the higher up are obviously afraid of the young american male demographic reacting negatively to getting a full blown gay romance in their space marine game.  Which is just silly because all the polls show that the younger you are the less of a problem you have with homosexuality. 

Indeed.  The 30-35 and under demographic have less negative or stigmatized views.  Considering that the average gamer is around 30, then I don't see this as really a huge issue in and of itself anyway.  But I digress.  It is important to see everyone lending support and voice, to show that this is not simply a case of 'gay people want some LIs,' but 'people support having this kind of LI.'  One's RL sexuality does not have anything to do with what type of characters you roleplay and whom they forge a story with.  It is about choices -- and no one is forced to participate or see any content that they do not purposely pursue.

[Wittand25]

PoliteAssasin wrote...



Not to be offensive or anything, but you do realize that this never going to happen right? The same request was made for Mass Effect 2 and it never happened. I know you guys like to be optimistic, but what makes you think Bioware will add it in the third game, after they said it wouldn't be in the trilogy? And I remember hearing somewhere that the reason it wasn't in the game was because, don't quote me on this until I dig up the article, Vanderloo is a homophobe and would walk if they have his character gay/straight.



Again, I'll try to find the article where I read this, but if this is the case it will never happen. It's not that I don't support it or anything, although I wouldn't play a Shepard like that, but given the track record of the first 2 games, bioware's comments on it, and this supposed stance from Vanderloo I just don't think you guys should be setting yourselves up to be disappointed again.



But that's just my 2 cents. Carry on.



-Polite

The source you are referring to is an anonymous poster in the 4chan forums pretending to be a writer. The same source claimed that ever DLC will be free on the Cerberus network, which shows its credibility.

Vanderloo is a male model and by far not famous enough to make such demands on game content. If he really would have made such demands before signing the contract, it would have been insane of Bioware to agree and not simply switch to another model. Not to mention that making such demands would be pure poison for Mr. Vanderloo´s future carrier, and any even halfway professional would not do that.

[AtlAggie]

Just want to add one more voice in support of same sex romance options (for both female and male Sheps) in ME3...

[Sajon1]

As long as the dialog options are totally clear I would be ok with it. I dont want to choose a response that says "Your a good guy Jacob" and next thing I know Sheps all up in his face getting all flirty and stuff. That would mess with my head for sure.