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[thetruefreemo]

You don't need this because humans have evolved past homosexuality in the future.

[Cootie]

thetruefreemo wrote...

You don't need this because humans have evolved past homosexuality in the future.

So, technically, in the future PoV, we'd be like Neanderthals in modern society by comparison, right?
Does that finally make us the mainstream?

*monocles*

[mikey3k]

I don't see the problem with giving any more romance choices. I will continue to choose the heterosexual option but I don't see any problems with giving homosexual options as well.

[Boombox]

thetruefreemo wrote...

You don't need this because humans have evolved past homosexuality in the future.

...but not past homophobia.

[Cootie]

mikey3k wrote...

I don't see the problem with giving any more romance choices. I will continue to choose the heterosexual option but I don't see any problems with giving homosexual options as well.

My hat goes off to you, sir.

[Tirigon]

thetruefreemo wrote...

You don't need this because humans have evolved past homosexuality in the future.

(I´m going to pretend you are NOT a brainless troll)

This is scientifically impossible. Evolution works via selection, therefore it can only eliminate traits that are detrimental to spreading your genes. Homosexuality is neither deadly nor does it make you sterile or anything, so it does not prevent you from spreading your genes. This means it won´t die out.

This is, of course, if you believe that homosexuality is genetically. I do not believe this, and if it´s not genetically it´s not at all touched by evolution anyways.

[ScotGaymer]

Tirigon wrote...

thetruefreemo wrote...

You don't need this because humans have evolved past homosexuality in the future.

(I´m going to pretend you are NOT a brainless troll)

This is scientifically impossible. Evolution works via selection, therefore it can only eliminate traits that are detrimental to spreading your genes. Homosexuality is neither deadly nor does it make you sterile or anything, so it does not prevent you from spreading your genes. This means it won´t die out.

This is, of course, if you believe that homosexuality is genetically. I do not believe this, and if it´s not genetically it´s not at all touched by evolution anyways.

I rather hope he is being sarcastic about it actually.

And once again you are quite wrong, this time about homosexuality not being genetic.

If it wasnt genetic I wouldnt be gay. Simple as. Being straight is easier; you get less hassle, you have more choice in what you do or where you go. Being gay is a near endless fight with folk to been seen as "more than just gay".
Because when you are gay, to the average straight person thats all you are - the gay, in the office, or round the corner. You just that gay and theres nothing more to you.
No offense but its stupid statements like that that homophobic and religious camps use to attack and deride gay people.

Never say anything like that again if you please.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 août 2010 - 02:15 .

[Cootie]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I rather hope he is being sarcastic about it actually.

And once again you are quite wrong, this time about homosexuality not being genetic.

If it wasnt genetic I wouldnt be gay. Simple as. Being straight is easier; you get less hassle, you have more choice in what you do or where you go. Being gay is a near endless fight with folk to been seen as "more than just gay".
Because when you are gay, to the average straight person thats all you are - the gay, in the office, or round the corner. You just that gay and theres nothing more to you.
No offense but its stupid statements like that that homophobic and religious camps use to attack and deride gay people.

Never say anything like that again if you please.

This is actually one of the reasons why I like to play with the thought of roleplaying a gay person. The whole "near endless fight for acceptance"-thing is very difficult to actually wrap your head around as a straight individual.
And like drama-school taught me: Acting as something you're not helps you evolve as a human being.

And about the whole Genetic/Not Genetic thing, I find it difficult to believe that you're born that way, but like I said, I've been raised in a pretty straight environment. What do I know? And to be perfectly honest, why should it matter? It just is.
Saying that it is or isn't genetic are assumptions in my opinion. Ignoring the existance of homosexuality or claiming it's just a temporary stage, a speedbump our race has run into, however, is just plain weird.

"Oh, yeah, I'm totally just gay because of all the social benefits it brings." - Spoken with lots of sarcasm, can't recall the source.

[Siansonea]

I think it's clear that there is a genetic component to homosexuality, as well as many other variations among humans. I would also argue that there is an evolutionary advantage to homosexuality. Think about it, in our primordial past, as today, breeding males vie for fertile females, and in the uncivilized past this behavior no doubt caused a significant amount of injury and death, decimating the number of males in a population. We see this in many other mammal species. If a subset of males does not participate in breeding, they are not competing for females, so the tribe benefits from having males' superior strength to protect the tribe without having them subject to the internecine attrition of the breeding male population. A given population only needs a relatively small number of breeding males to remain genetically viable.

It seems homosexuality is one of nature's attempts at population control too, since the phenomenon creates a tribe with a more stable population. Overpopulation is the kiss of death for a nascent species. Non-breeding individuals exist in many species, and among social animals it makes particular sense that these individuals help the population overall.

If you look at many Native American cultures' attitudes toward homosexuality and the way they were integrated into society, it's logical to extrapolate how our Pleistocene ancestors handled the phenomenon, before homophobia was created by civilization and religion-based stigma.

[Tirigon]

FitScotGaymer wrote...


And once again you are quite wrong, this time about homosexuality not being genetic.

If it wasnt genetic I wouldnt be gay. Simple as. Being straight is easier; you get less hassle, you have more choice in what you do or where you go. Being gay is a near endless fight with folk to been seen as "more than just gay".
Because when you are gay, to the average straight person thats all you are - the gay, in the office, or round the corner. You just that gay and theres nothing more to you.
No offense but its stupid statements like that that homophobic and religious camps use to attack and deride gay people.

Never say anything like that again if you please.

Sorry but what you say is unwise. Maybe you are gay without wanting it, I don´t know and, Maker forgive, I don´t care. But I resent your accusation. You say if I say that being gay is not genetic this is offensive to homosexual people.
WTF?!
It´s rather the opposite. If you say it´s genetic you are like those assclowns who think homosexuality is a disease like other gene defects, e.g. Down syndrome...  That´s bullsh!t.


Lastly, please don´t try to get pitied for your struggle of acceptance. As if you need to be gay to experience this....
You should learn asap that most people are brainless idiots who think with their backside and consider tolerance a dangerous disease. That´s just a fact.

It´s not just being gay that makes it hard to be accepted. Wearing clothes that don´t fit to what others wear or listening to music that´s not mainstream is enough.
I´m speaking from experience... most people in my school disliked me because I liked to listen to Metal and mostly wore black. My other friends who listen to Metal, on the other hand, make fun of me because I like to wear pink as a man and listen to non-Metal music too.
Actually, where I live people are MUCH MORE likely to hate you for your taste in music or your way of dressing than for being gay. Most don´t care a f*ck about your sexuality.

[Cootie]

I'll also add that lesbian ducks live longer than female, straight ducks, in general. Scientists suspect that it is because of the lack of stress provided by a slightly aggressive male counterpart that these lesbian ducks live longer.
So there, Disney.


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Tirigon wrote...

You should learn asap that most people are brainless idiots who think with their backside and consider tolerance a dangerous disease. That´s just a fact.

I resent this. I may think with my backside, but I am not a brainless idiot. I am verily offended by this.
Now, if I may point this out again: The role of homosexuality in our society is not the topic of discussion here and I suggest that you take any fighting or disputes to the privacy of PMs. Maybe post the results of your discussions later, but don't derail the thread, please.

Modifié par Cootie, 15 août 2010 - 05:10 .

[Tirigon]

Cootie wrote...

I'll also add that lesbian ducks live longer than female, straight ducks, in general. Scientists suspect that it is because of the lack of stress provided by a slightly aggressive male counterpart that these lesbian ducks live longer.
So there, Disney.

You learn something new every day

I didn´t even know ducks can be homosexual:whistle:

[Siansonea]

Tirigon wrote...

Cootie wrote...

I'll also add that lesbian ducks live longer than female, straight ducks, in general. Scientists suspect that it is because of the lack of stress provided by a slightly aggressive male counterpart that these lesbian ducks live longer.
So there, Disney.

You learn something new every day

I didn´t even know ducks can be homosexual:whistle:

Homosexual behavior has been noted in many animal species, it is not unique to humanity. So much for the 'unnatural' criticism of homosexuality.

[Cootie]

Siansonea II wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Cootie wrote...

I'll also add that lesbian ducks live longer than female, straight ducks, in general. Scientists suspect that it is because of the lack of stress provided by a slightly aggressive male counterpart that these lesbian ducks live longer.
So there, Disney.

You learn something new every day

I didn´t even know ducks can be homosexual:whistle:

Homosexual behavior has been noted in many animal species, it is not unique to humanity. So much for the 'unnatural' criticism of homosexuality.

I would imagine that we'd be all the more like the Asari in that aspect (I totally didn't think of this while looking at your avatar, no, no) by the time that Mass Effect takes place. As recent history shows, the overall acceptance of homosexuality is gradually increasing.
So, basically, by the time of the first contact war, we might not have a concept of homosexuality at all. Just affection.



And interplanetary racism. Heck yeah.

[Poaches]

eh. homosexuality has been observed in practically even species.
even frogs.

I believe that ME news feed thingy uses the term "life-partner" ?

Isn't it better to say, homosexuality was accepted; became associated with paganism and smeared; then coming back into acceptance who knows when centuries later.
Can't discount religon however; or you'd have people with pitchforks lining in front of EA offices.

Modifié par Poaches, 15 août 2010 - 06:11 .

[Nordic Einar]

It's a pretty well accepted fact amongst sociologists and many biologists, slim. Scientific consensus is very much in agreeance that homosexuality is at least partially genetic, has a evolutionary advantage, and is an entirely natural process.



I do a lot of advocacy work, as well as am involved in organizations that do sociological, biological, and psychological research when it comes to homosexuality. I'd be happy to discuss this in detail with anyone who wishes it, but this thread isn't the place. Feel free to PM me, and we can discuss this in depth.

[Nordic Einar]

Also, on that note: lets try to keep it mass effect related, okay guys?

[Freelancer rook]

Same romance as ME1.

[Tirigon]

Cootie wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

You should learn asap that most people are brainless idiots who think with their backside and consider tolerance a dangerous disease. That´s just a fact.

I resent this. I may think with my backside, but I am not a brainless idiot. I am verily offended by this.
Now, if I may point this out again: The role of homosexuality in our society is not the topic of discussion here and I suggest that you take any fighting or disputes to the privacy of PMs. Maybe post the results of your discussions later, but don't derail the thread, please.

Well, maybe you are not a brainless idiot. You´re not homophobic so chances are there.......

Seriously though, it IS a fact that most people are idiots. If you choose to feel adressed by this statement that really says more about how you view yourself than about my comment. I happen to be one of "people" too yet I don´t feel offended by my statement because I rest assured in the knowledge to be one of the rare exceptionsB)

[Tirigon]

Nordic Einar wrote...

It's a pretty well accepted fact amongst sociologists and many biologists, slim. Scientific consensus is very much in agreeance that homosexuality is at least partially genetic, has a evolutionary advantage, and is an entirely natural process.

Well, I wonder how long it takes until some people want to abort their unborn children if they discover the gay gene in them.....

If this consensus is actually the truth we should make sure most people don´t know. It´s better for everyone.

[Nordic Einar]

Tirigon wrote...

Nordic Einar wrote...

It's a pretty well accepted fact amongst sociologists and many biologists, slim. Scientific consensus is very much in agreeance that homosexuality is at least partially genetic, has a evolutionary advantage, and is an entirely natural process.

Well, I wonder how long it takes until some people want to abort their unborn children if they discover the gay gene in them.....

If this consensus is actually the truth we should make sure most people don´t know. It´s better for everyone.

There's a reason, in the very post you quoted, I asked that any further discussion with me on this issue occur via PM. This is not the topic of this thread, and will only serve to get it locked when this veers far enough on topic.

I'll happily discuss this with you somewhere else.

[PsyrenY]

Tirigon wrote...

Well, I wonder how long it takes until some people want to abort their unborn children if they discover the gay gene in them.....

If this consensus is actually the truth we should make sure most people don´t know. It´s better for everyone.

With parents like that, the child might be better off.

But back to Mass Effect. I would love a colossal gay payoff in ME3 for those Shepards who (a) don't take any love interests in the former two games or ( break up with both love interests. I remember in Jade Empire - Sky only approached you once you had shot down both Dawn Star and Silk Fox. A similar situation with a male member of the crew approaching you could be interesting.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I'm in an angry mood today so let me state how strongly I hope you are severely disappointed in ME3. And remind you all what an incredibly stupid and pointless idea this is.



Its all there black and white, clear as crystal! You get NOTHING! You LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!!!

*slams topic door*

[ArchDemonXIII]

ReconTeam wrote...

I'm in an angry mood today so let me state how strongly I hope you are severely disappointed in ME3. And remind you all what an incredibly stupid and pointless idea this is.

Its all there black and white, clear as crystal! You get NOTHING! You LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!!!
*slams topic door*

 

Absolutely. Equally as stupid and pointless as the people who wanted Garrus and Tali as an LI. 

If you have  a legitimate argument as to why they shouldn't include an option, you're welcome to voice it.

Also in regards to the first post, I support VtM:BL style pink text for pursuing an LI of either gender to prevent accidental romance.

"I thought we had something!"

"Ummm.... whoops?"