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[Inquisitor Recon]

I already voiced my reasons, waste of development time and effort that could be spent elsewhere to benefit the community, unrealistic in a future with plenty of genetic modification, aliens cultures may frown on such a thing, our own culture in the future may be different, and Shepard isn't gay.



I was just giving you the Willy Wonka treatment cause you ultra politically korrect people deserved it.

[ArchDemonXIII]

ReconTeam wrote...

 waste of development time and effort that could be spent elsewhere to benefit the community

You do realize that the people asking for this are part of the community, right?

unrealistic in a future with plenty of genetic modification

 

Read the last page. This has been refuted more eloquently than I can muster.

our own culture in the future may be different

Yea. Going by current trends, it will be more accepting

Shepard isn't gay. 

Your Shepard isn't gay

aliens cultures may frown on such a thing  

I was just giving you the Willy Wonka treatment cause you ultra politically korrect people deserved it.

Aliens  already dislike humans in the ME universe. So why be ultra politcally correct for their sake?


There's something about logic that makes an argument so much more compelling....

Modifié par ArchDemonXIII, 16 août 2010 - 04:32 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

First, I am implying the majority of the community. If Bioware listened to every group of fringe nuts this would be a Tali dating simulator. What makes this "suggestion" superior to anything the 95% or so rest of people could enjoy without any fear of backlash?



Second, I have previously discussed my views on genetic modification on other topics and have seen nothing refuting it.



Third what would you would define as "accepting" or "tolerant" or whatever the pretty sounding buzzword is, I would define as something not as kind. That aside if you can really read nearly 200 years into the future I know some places that might want to hire you.



Now on your final points Shepard isn't gay as evident by ME1 and ME2. I suppose you can imagine yours to be, but that doesn't mean Bioware should go ahead and incorporate this idea. Now, when I speak of political correctness, I am not talking about the game's universe. I am talking about those of you supporting this idea for the sake of being politically korrect or some other new age nonsense.



But short of some hostage-taking, arson, torture, or other unpleasant business we're not going to ever change each others opinions so yeah... Just something to remember under my rule when my opinion becomes law.

[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...

I already voiced my reasons, waste of development time and effort that could be spent elsewhere to benefit the community, unrealistic in a future with plenty of genetic modification, aliens cultures may frown on such a thing, our own culture in the future may be different, and Shepard isn't gay.

I was just giving you the Willy Wonka treatment cause you ultra politically korrect people deserved it.

You just bring sunshine with you wherever you go, RT.

For the umpteenth time, your 'reasons' are no more than your own childish ideas, and have nothing to do with anything remotely realistic. "Waste of development time (opinion)," "genetic modification eradicates homosexuality (BEYOND homophobic and downright supremacist)," "alien cultures *may* frown on it (pure speculation with subjective bias)," and "Shepard isn't gay (complete stupidity)," as rebuttal is pretty freakin' weak. You need to sharpen your pencil if you're going to have a really effective tantrum next time. Come to me when you have something useful to contribute, otherwise drink your haterade and just pipe down already.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 16 août 2010 - 05:03 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

It's eradication now? Nobody is killed or harmed and now I am some sort of horrible supremacist? I take delight at how rapidly I am demonized. Did you know I eat children too? Delicious, the meat just falls off the bone.. you ought to try it with some BBQ sauce.

Honestly what "reasons" do you have for this idea that aren't of your own opinion? You attack my "childish" views when this topic solely exists to demand some self-serving nonsense?

Sorry but:
"We're gay so we want a gay option for Shepard."
and
"I support this because I don't want people accusing me of being racist or homophobic."
Don't count as a good reason for Bioware to add this.

So before you accuse me of being childish, maybe you should step back and realize that trying to ensure this topic never fades away until you get your way on a controversial matter is hardly mature. In all likelihood Bioware won't do a 180 and change their minds. Say what you want about me but for better or worse sometimes I can't avoid stating my opinion.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 16 août 2010 - 05:29 .

[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...

It's eradication now? Nobody is killed or harmed and now I am some sort of horrible supremacist? I take delight at how rapidly I am demonized. Did you know I eat children too? Delicious, the meat just falls off the bone.. you ought to try it with some BBQ sauce.

Honestly what "reasons" do you have for this idea that aren't of your own opinion? You attack my "childish" views when this topic solely exists to demand some self-serving nonsense?

Sorry but:
"We're gay so we want a gay option for Shepard."
and
"I support this because I don't want people accusing me of being racist or homophobic."
Don't count as a good reason for Bioware to add this.

So before you accuse me of being childish, maybe you should step back and realize that trying to ensure this topic never fades away until you get your way on a controversial matter is hardly mature. In all likelihood Bioware won't do a 180 and change their minds. Say what you want about me but for better or worse sometimes I can't avoid stating my opinion.

As usual you miss the point so widely you don't even realize there is a point. This topic exists to show BioWare that there is significant interest in an initiative to include same sex content in future games, and to discuss different ways that it could be implemented. Somehow you see this initiative as a personal affront to your view/beliefs, and I think that says more about YOU than it does anyone here, or the initiative we all pledge our support for. Your statement that a gay player wanting a gay Shepard isn't a valid reason for BioWare to consider the request speaks volumes, as does your assertion that the only reason a non-gay person would support the initiative is to appear "politically correct" while secretly harboring the opposite views on the subject. With that as your starting point, there really is nowhere for this conversation to go, because your worldview only seems to encompass three types of people: bullies, victims, and complicit passersby. I would be angry, but there's no point, you are the one who has to live with such a mindset, and I can think of no worse punishment for your attitudes than the very mindset that they sprang from. The punishment is built into the crime.

To keep the thread from derailing any further, I will not engage in any more conversation with you RT. Spout your nonsense to your heart's content, and tell yourself that you're some champion of free speech or whatever if you want. It is obvious that you just want to get this thread locked to satisfy some personal issue you have.

[ArchDemonXIII]

ReconTeam wrote...

It's eradication now? Nobody is killed or harmed and now I am some sort of horrible supremacist? I take delight at how rapidly I am demonized. Did you know I eat children too? Delicious, the meat just falls off the bone.. you ought to try it with some BBQ sauce.

Honestly what "reasons" do you have for this idea that aren't of your own opinion? You attack my "childish" views when this topic solely exists to demand some self-serving nonsense?

Sorry but:
"We're gay so we want a gay option for Shepard."
and
"I support this because I don't want people accusing me of being racist or homophobic."
Don't count as a good reason for Bioware to add this.

So before you accuse me of being childish, maybe you should step back and realize that trying to ensure this topic never fades away until you get your way on a controversial matter is hardly mature. In all likelihood Bioware won't do a 180 and change their minds. Say what you want about me but for better or worse sometimes I can't avoid stating my opinion.

 

 I don't support this because I'm gay, but being able to play a gay Shep opens up another option. I'm not female either but I still play femsheps as well as male. It's about options. i like that I can play Shep as loyal to his crew and a jerk to everyone else. I've played human supremacist Shep, too.  I have a Shep that bears my name and face and that I use make the decisions I would in regards to morality, choice of LI (Miranda), etc. When I start a character, I brainstorm at the beginning what this one will be about and make decisions accordingly. That's what role-playing is all about.

 As far as not wanting to be accused of homophobia (no idea what racism has to do with this), you could, y'know, not get involved in the topic and no one would have cause to think you were. However when you come on and scream that you don't like the idea of homosexuality and therefore everyone should drop it... well there's probably a reason people might think you're homophobic.

[Siansonea]

ArchDemon, you can't use logic in this argument, it's obviously too emotion-based. We all see it. The best thing to do when someone comes in the thread spoiling for a fight is to not give them one. Eventually they'll get bored and they'll take out their frustration somewhere else.

[ArchDemonXIII]

Siansonea II wrote...

ArchDemon, you can't use logic in this argument, it's obviously too emotion-based. We all see it. The best thing to do when someone comes in the thread spoiling for a fight is to not give them one. Eventually they'll get bored and they'll take out their frustration somewhere else.

True enough.

Sorry, I tend to be a little overly passionate.

[Wittand25]

ReconTeam wrote...

I already voiced my reasons, waste of development time and effort that could be spent elsewhere to benefit the community, unrealistic in a future with plenty of genetic modification, aliens cultures may frown on such a thing, our own culture in the future may be different, and Shepard isn't gay.

I was just giving you the Willy Wonka treatment cause you ultra politically korrect people deserved it.

There are still gay human men (proven by the second book), and alien societies seem to not to care that much what members of another species do in bed. Also Mordin´s talk if you don't have a LI suggest that Krogan/Salarian sexual encounters are, while not the norm, not totally unheard of. And considering the culture of these two races a Krogan/Salarian encounter is practically always male/male. And Shepard´s sexuality is up for the player to decide, he/she never needs to flirt or show interest in somebody unless the player decides so.

[shootist70]

Don't feed the trolls guys, especially when all they can offer are disjointed ramblings that come from their ego and not their brain.

[ElitePinecone]

Try to remain civil and/or on-topic guys. If you don't support the reason for this thread don't post - simple enough to understand. 

Optimystic_X wrote...

But back to Mass Effect. I would love a colossal gay payoff in ME3 for those Shepards who (a) don't take any love interests in the former two games or ( break up with both love interests. I remember in Jade Empire - Sky only approached you once you had shot down both Dawn Star and Silk Fox. A similar situation with a male member of the crew approaching you could be interesting.

Interesting idea, but I'd prefer a situation that wasn't so difficult to activate. Given the finnicky, hair-trigger nature of the ME/ME2 romances (some players have reported that just talking to a LI in ME may count as a romance import) it'd be rather annoying if we had to replay two games just to 'unlock' s/s romances...

Then again, weaving Shepard's lonely history into a romance conversation with any ME3 romances (same-sex or otherwise) would be very interesting. I'm all for more immersion and using decisions from previous games.

[Tirigon]

ReconTeam wrote...

aliens cultures may frown on such a thing

Oh yea. I mean, look at the asari, they hate homosexuals so much they kill them on sight.

What? Why are you looking at  me like that?



:devil:



Owned, RetconTeam

[Tirigon]

ReconTeam wrote...

Sorry but:
"We're gay so we want a gay option for Shepard."
and
"I support this because I don't want people accusing me of being racist or homophobic."
Don't count as a good reason for Bioware to add this.

Is "I want more roleplaying options IN A ROLEPLAYING GAME" childish too and doesn´t count?

[Wittand25]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Try to remain civil and/or on-topic guys. If you don't support the reason for this thread don't post - simple enough to understand. 

Optimystic_X wrote...

But back to Mass Effect. I would love a colossal gay payoff in ME3 for those Shepards who (a) don't take any love interests in the former two games or ( break up with both love interests. I remember in Jade Empire - Sky only approached you once you had shot down both Dawn Star and Silk Fox. A similar situation with a male member of the crew approaching you could be interesting.

Interesting idea, but I'd prefer a situation that wasn't so difficult to activate. Given the finnicky, hair-trigger nature of the ME/ME2 romances (some players have reported that just talking to a LI in ME may count as a romance import) it'd be rather annoying if we had to replay two games just to 'unlock' s/s romances...

Then again, weaving Shepard's lonely history into a romance conversation with any ME3 romances (same-sex or otherwise) would be very interesting. I'm all for more immersion and using decisions from previous games.

Romances are not that easy to end by accident. You can easily start them without intend, but accidentally having the full romance is unlikely. The good think about standard, non-import Shepard is that he/she does not have a romantic past, so everybody starting a new game could have the s/s romances available (unless Kaidan is the only option, because he would be dead for standard MShep).

[Cootie]

Wittand25 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Try to remain civil and/or on-topic guys. If you don't support the reason for this thread don't post - simple enough to understand. 

Optimystic_X wrote...

But back to Mass Effect. I would love a colossal gay payoff in ME3 for those Shepards who (a) don't take any love interests in the former two games or ( break up with both love interests. I remember in Jade Empire - Sky only approached you once you had shot down both Dawn Star and Silk Fox. A similar situation with a male member of the crew approaching you could be interesting.

Interesting idea, but I'd prefer a situation that wasn't so difficult to activate. Given the finnicky, hair-trigger nature of the ME/ME2 romances (some players have reported that just talking to a LI in ME may count as a romance import) it'd be rather annoying if we had to replay two games just to 'unlock' s/s romances...

Then again, weaving Shepard's lonely history into a romance conversation with any ME3 romances (same-sex or otherwise) would be very interesting. I'm all for more immersion and using decisions from previous games.

Romances are not that easy to end by accident. You can easily start them without intend, but accidentally having the full romance is unlikely. The good think about standard, non-import Shepard is that he/she does not have a romantic past, so everybody starting a new game could have the s/s romances available (unless Kaidan is the only option, because he would be dead for standard MShep).

So, basically, if I understand this correctly, if you didn't get the paramour achievement from either previous games, the gay interest would show up?

[Wittand25]

Romances are not accountwide. They get registered per character. So the gay option should show up every time you use a Shepard without a finished romance, no matter if you have unlocked the paramour achievement with a different Shepard. But better would be if the m/m romance shows up whenever you don't have an active romance. Best would of course be if the s/s romance is handled just like the rest of the romances.

[alienatedflea]

how is this thread not childish? its like a spoiled crying baby...it wants this and that but in the end, the baby will never really be happy with what it has.  So how is this "issue" of mass effect not being anything like dragon age orgins in the sense of being gay or not, any more important than having (lets say) inventory system in me3? or mako in me3?...the reason those are more important than this issue is that they were in the game before while being gay is not (and no, being bisexual is different than being gay so that fem shep has a gay romance and male shep doesnt holds no weight) there is a reason that shep was a vague so that you the player can form him/her to what you want them to be...but being vague doesnt make shep gay, i personally do not see how shep can be gay in the connections with his/her squadmates and i kept an open mind about it...
Siansonea II you really shouldnt try to defend having more "options" in the game. You make everyone else in the thread look bad even those who make great valid points for more "options" but you cant make up anything with facts but you confuse with facts and opinions...the fact is that having more options could be a great idea but it is rather late in the trilogy to be asking for this seeing how these new "options" were not in the first two games it would be awkward that shep went gay when he should be focusing on the reapers...now if shep was gay in the first game and remained CONSISTENT then i have no problems...but you sian say that staying consistent with the whole flow of the game is stupid...thats your opinion but the ALL great stories and games were consistent throughout each series...but have to back RT on this, Sorry to those that might be offended by that

[alienatedflea]

ReconTeam wrote...

It's eradication now? Nobody is killed or harmed and now I am some sort of horrible supremacist? I take delight at how rapidly I am demonized. Did you know I eat children too? Delicious, the meat just falls off the bone.. you ought to try it with some BBQ sauce.

Honestly what "reasons" do you have for this idea that aren't of your own opinion? You attack my "childish" views when this topic solely exists to demand some self-serving nonsense?

Sorry but:
"We're gay so we want a gay option for Shepard."
and
"I support this because I don't want people accusing me of being racist or homophobic."
Don't count as a good reason for Bioware to add this.

So before you accuse me of being childish, maybe you should step back and realize that trying to ensure this topic never fades away until you get your way on a controversial matter is hardly mature. In all likelihood Bioware won't do a 180 and change their minds. Say what you want about me but for better or worse sometimes I can't avoid stating my opinion.

Recon...all these beople here are like the turian councillor because they won't hear anything that isnt on their agenda even if its logical and will dismiss your claim as dumb...so its pointless here, I love how the OP stated their arguement for more "options" which i will say is a very persusive posts but then they get people like sian that is all "WAH I'm Gay and I'm not represented in this game so i must change it regardless of how everyone else feels"...so my advice is do not post here...all you will get is being called a homophobe (which isnt that big a deal to me seeing how i am not afraid of gay people) or other names which just shows how weak the people who defend their status on this issue really is...

[alienatedflea]

shootist70 wrote...

Don't feed the trolls guys, especially when all they can offer are disjointed ramblings that come from their ego and not their brain.

technically we arent trolls we have a point to make but it seems like everyone else here just wants to live in their own little world...

[alienatedflea]

Tirigon wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Sorry but:
"We're gay so we want a gay option for Shepard."
and
"I support this because I don't want people accusing me of being racist or homophobic."
Don't count as a good reason for Bioware to add this.

Is "I want more roleplaying options IN A ROLEPLAYING GAME" childish too and doesn´t count?

Is "I want the trilogy to remain CONSISTENT with the other two game too childish and stupid to count too?

[FataliTensei]

alienatedflea wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Sorry but:
"We're gay so we want a gay option for Shepard."
and
"I support this because I don't want people accusing me of being racist or homophobic."
Don't count as a good reason for Bioware to add this.

Is "I want more roleplaying options IN A ROLEPLAYING GAME" childish too and doesn´t count?

Is "I want the trilogy to remain CONSISTENT with the other two game too childish and stupid to count too?

You realize adding S/sS options would actually make the game more consistent than the other wya around right?

[Poaches]

Ah, mr. post spam singling this thread to be most selfish hijacking of the series for their own profane desires, and breaking the highest indomitable righteous law of canon that he conveniently never explains.

Are you ever going explain your "oh so consistent" viewpoint? than spend everyone of your sentences berating this thread eh?

Silly me, you're just trying to get this thread closed.

Back on topic,
it would be silly to link this kind of thing to the paramour achievement; considering it will be closed off to you -forever- if you do any of the other romances in any of the games with another shep.

There's no reason to play off of other people's fears that the only romance you can accidentally step into is an s/s one.

Modifié par Poaches, 16 août 2010 - 04:13 .

[thedistortedchild]

Colored font that warns you if you click it you're be stepping into a relationship dialogue.

I want this for ALL romances. Trying to stay loyal to my ME romance was like walking through a mine field.

How would adding SS options change the consistancy?

[CShep25]

alienatedflea wrote...

it is rather late in the trilogy to be asking for this seeing how these new "options" were not in the first two games it would be awkward that shep went gay when he should be focusing on the reapers...now if shep was gay in the first game and remained CONSISTENT then i have no problems...

What if in someone's playthrough, he is gay and didn't romance anyone in the two games because of that? Or maybe in someone's playthrough, he is bi and only happens to have romanced female partners in the two games? Shepard doesn't have to proclaim his sexuality in the opening seconds of the first game to be straight, gay or bi. Caprica dealt with this masterfully with Sam Adama. He's a tough-guy mob assassin who is the pinnacle of masculinity, and halfway through the pilot we take a look at him sitting down having breakfast with his partner, who is another man. There's no overt focus proclaiming 'OMG look, it's two guys married!" The partner could be a woman for all the camera or script was letting on. There was nothing out of the ordinary about the scene. His nephew Willie (Bill) was with them; he wasn't kicking up a fuss or held any backward beliefs about them; he was just eating breakfast with his two uncles. In fact, that little scene was the ONLY indication that Sam was gay; there was no mention either postive or negative of his sexuality before or after that scene. It was normal. And that made it great.

Because Sam isn't defined by his sexuality. And neither should Shepard.

EDIT: Similar story with Gaeta in BSG. We only find out he's bisexual in one of the web series in which he romanced a Seven on New Caprica and was involved with Ensign Hoshi. It just isn't made out to be a big deal. Why should it?

Modifié par CShep25, 16 août 2010 - 04:46 .