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[Siansonea]

I dunno, just thinkin' out loud.

[Tirigon]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

It's obvious shepard (At least male shepard) is heterosexual in me 1 and 2, even if you dont romance anyone. Turning him gay would would be.........weird, most likely wont happen. But if it does happen and male squadmates hit on you, they better have a renegade interupt that lets you exile them from your ship lol.

Obvious? How so?

well apart from his manliness, one moment i can remember from the top of my head is when shiala, the asari from feros, basically hints on shep and her having a one night stand in the near future, he smiles and winks. No way to get around that. Bioware obviously intend him to be straight.

.... or bi.

Also, manliness is a VERY bad indicator for a character that can be femaleB)

[Schneidend]

Female Shepard can romance Liara and attempt to romance Samara, who are obviously feminine in appearance, making FemShep at the very least bi-curious.

F/F romance should, therefore, be an option, because it already is an option.

DudeShep has no obvious indicators of bisexual, homosexual behavior. But, still...

M/M romance should be available if only because the fandom and franchise are better off without the players that would supposedly be lost by including such an option. I support anything that bunches up the panties of conservative, homophobic nutjobs.

Modifié par Schneidend, 17 août 2010 - 10:07 .

[Tirigon]

M/M romance should be available if only because the fandom and franchise are better off without the players that would supposedly be lost by including such an option. I support anything that bunches up the panties of conservative, homophobic nutjobs.

I like the way you think:devil:

[M8DMAN]

Quit slinging around the insults guys! Your sounding like yaoi fangirls!

[ScotGaymer]

M8DMAN wrote...

Quit slinging around the insults guys! Your sounding like yaoi fangirls!

But we ARE Yaoi fangirls!

[alienatedflea]

FataliTensei wrote...
It's not that we don't have anything, it's that you ignore anything we say that contradicts your viewpoint and then comeback with the same argument, reworded and we're tired of dealing with you, so please come up with something new and actually worth reading or just go away, because at this point you're little more than annoying

the consistency arguement is old? maybe...but its a valid point.  Was there s/s for males in Me1? and in ME2? NO and NO...yet somehow having s/s in ME3 would be consistent with the other two? not really...and trigion (however you spell your screen name) to say "oh well he/she hasnt realised that they are gay" is that your rebuttal to my points? really? I mean look at the story Shep is going to save the galaxy so he is going to be focused on gathering allies and making plans to deal with the reapers but you think he/she will have time to get their finger nails painted and can go out to the gay bar to pick up a young little something something...really? thats real consistent...and you say i ignore your points but from some of your fellow supporters like sian..says the game doesnt need to be consistent which means they dont care if the last game is good or not but as long as she/he gets whatever they want.  I personally do not want a **** game when the first two was amazing..BUT you did ignore my point that this idea of DLC or in ME3 is a terrible PR nightmare for Bioware because if a news agency gets wind that their is same sex relations in a video game would get ripped up by the media...NEWS experts says that violent video games make kids violent...(i am not being serious with this next point but its possible that some news network would say it) the news would say gay games are making kids gay...so youre asking Bioware to risk their company for something that is still controversial (i can't spell) issue today.  So i will assure you people that most likely there will be more options in future bioware games because the same thirty people keep posting in this thread that probably made bioware aware of the issue but it will not happen in ME3 or in DLC...not in the mass effect trilogy

[Wittand25]

alienatedflea wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...
It's not that we don't have anything, it's that you ignore anything we say that contradicts your viewpoint and then comeback with the same argument, reworded and we're tired of dealing with you, so please come up with something new and actually worth reading or just go away, because at this point you're little more than annoying

the consistency arguement is old? maybe...but its a valid point.  Was there s/s for males in Me1? and in ME2? NO and NO...yet somehow having s/s in ME3 would be consistent with the other two? not really...and trigion (however you spell your screen name) to say "oh well he/she hasnt realised that they are gay" is that your rebuttal to my points? really? I mean look at the story Shep is going to save the galaxy so he is going to be focused on gathering allies and making plans to deal with the reapers but you think he/she will have time to get their finger nails painted and can go out to the gay bar to pick up a young little something something...really? thats real consistent...and you say i ignore your points but from some of your fellow supporters like sian..says the game doesnt need to be consistent which means they dont care if the last game is good or not but as long as she/he gets whatever they want.  I personally do not want a **** game when the first two was amazing..BUT you did ignore my point that this idea of DLC or in ME3 is a terrible PR nightmare for Bioware because if a news agency gets wind that their is same sex relations in a video game would get ripped up by the media...NEWS experts says that violent video games make kids violent...(i am not being serious with this next point but its possible that some news network would say it) the news would say gay games are making kids gay...so youre asking Bioware to risk their company for something that is still controversial (i can't spell) issue today.  So i will assure you people that most likely there will be more options in future bioware games because the same thirty people keep posting in this thread that probably made bioware aware of the issue but it will not happen in ME3 or in DLC...not in the mass effect trilogy

1.) A m/m romance would only be inconsistent if MShepard had to declare exclusive interest in females in either ME1 or 2. That did not happen, in fact a male Shepard never needs to show interest in a female at all, so a gay Shepard is not inconsistent.
2.)Depending on how it is handled, a gay option would not be a media disaster. In fact there is more bad press from the exclusion of s/s content in ME2, than there was for the inclusion of it in DA:O and DA:A. In fact most media (and player) reaction, was either indifference or positive.
3.)Shepard has to go and safe the galaxy, yes but I am, 100% sure that wont keep him from having the option to bang several females, I don't see the problem of adding one male to the options too.
4.)If you are so concerned about consistency, why have I never read o post of yours regarding thermal clips, which are a far greater break with consistency than s/s romance.

But feel free to ignore what I just wrote, or to use it out of context just like you usually do.

[shootist70]

Alienatedflea, was that post meant to be funny? I found most of it hilarious.

[FataliTensei]

Wittand just go ahead and ignore him, there's no reasoning with him

[alienatedflea]

Nordic Einar wrote...

Guys, can we stop quoting (and responding in kind) to trolls? Their entire goal is to derail the thread - lets not give them that satisfaction.

haha yes trolls who have a point about having s/s in ME3...i have no intention of getting this thread closed but im sure you don't trust me because your paraniod...so yes lets all talk about s/s in agreement that it should be in bioware games but if anyone goes against us, then we will call them trolls who want to close our precious thread...i love it...you guys/girls are awesome...truly are  lmao

[alienatedflea]

shootist70 wrote...

Alienatedflea, was that post meant to be funny? I found most of it hilarious.

yea it was  but then again i think this thread is funny as well...its basically saying "hey i'm gay and i wasn't represented in this video game, I want my representation!!" haha its funny

[Wittand25]

FataliTensei wrote...

Wittand just go ahead and ignore him, there's no reasoning with him

I know, actually I stopped responding to him a couple of weeks ago, but once in a while I feel that I ought to say something about what he writes, especially so that if a young and impressionable kid wanders into the thread does not believe that he has an actual point.
Also his writing style has improved, it is still far from good but better than it used to be, so I thought a reward in the form of a serious answer was due.

[alienatedflea]

FataliTensei wrote...

Wittand just go ahead and ignore him, there's no reasoning with him

see? ignoring all opposition so you guys/girls can just live in your small world is awesome...maybe if all the straights gathered up and came up with propositions to advance the straight agenda like yall are doing with a VIDEO GAME...this thread is powerless and pointless...you can not just ignore all opposition and dismiss all claims of the opposition as being homophobes and insensitive people is hilarious because it proves that this thread had some credibility with the OP but now it has devolved into just pointless because people are flaming other people, getting their emotions the better of themselves, and now its total exclusion of critics so now this thread isnt about if s/s should be in the game but an appreciation thread of "if there could be s/s in ME" thread...this thread is pointless

[shootist70]

alienatedflea wrote...

.maybe if all the straights gathered up and came up with propositions to advance the straight agenda

And that's exactly what you're doing, but you're not doing it from from an objective position. You see, you already have your straight options in your video game, and you're arguing to exclude other people's preferences becaue they don't match your own. That's the exact opposite of the argument on this thread - it is NOT arguing to exclude hetero options in favour of something else. Is this sinking in?

To make it worse  you're arguing by what's known as sophistry...cobbling together whatever argument you can simply for the sake of disagreeing. You might now know you're doing it but it's perfectly apparent to us, that's why nobody here takes you seriously.






 

[alienatedflea]

Wittand25 wrote...
1.) A m/m romance would only be inconsistent if MShepard had to declare exclusive interest in females in either ME1 or 2. That did not happen, in fact a male Shepard never needs to show interest in a female at all, so a gay Shepard is not inconsistent.

REBUTTAL: There wasnt an option in ME1 and ME2 for male shep so youre saying that now in ME3, shep is all the sudden gay? really? thats like saying in the Harry Potter series (a series that has already been written much like the ME franshise) In the last book, Harry is a flaming gay guy? (i read up to the three book then just lost interest but im sure that he is not gay according the movies) would harry potter in the last book be consistent with the previous harry potter in the earlier series? NO yet you say shep would remain the same in ME3? Shep is vague as a character but his sexual preference is strictly straight...I am not saying that his old/new crewmates might not be gay...and I dont really understand honestly that fem shep can have a bisexual experience while male shep can't maybe it has something to do with women being in more in touch with their feelings than men are (traditionally speaking and there have been studies that show this to be true)

2.)Depending on how it is handled, a gay option would not be a media disaster. In fact there is more bad press from the exclusion of s/s content in ME2, than there was for the inclusion of it in DA:O and DA:A. In fact most media (and player) reaction, was either indifference or positive.

REBUTTAL: I think the inclusion of s/s romances in DA is why most people either love it or hate it...there is no real middle ground between the two.  Bad press? I didnt hear anything about exclusion of s/s in ME2 in mainstream media was bad...in fact i heard nothing about ME2 other than commercials....i do know that ME1 got media attention with sex scenes...so i am sure that bioware would get more news attention for exploring s/s romances..to say that DA:O and DA:O did it and everything worked would be a misleading because i didnt get DA because there was s/s but it looked entertaining...plus i think they hid the fact you had a fairy elf in the game that hits on you in a very creepy way...just saying

3.)Shepard has to go and safe the galaxy, yes but I am, 100% sure that wont keep him from having the option to bang several females, I don't see the problem of adding one male to the options too.

REBUTTAL: again consistency...you banged females in me1, and in me2 so it would be consistent to have shep banging females in me3...but males...or trannies

4.)If you are so concerned about consistency, why have I never read o post of yours regarding thermal clips, which are a far greater break with consistency than s/s romance.

REBUTTAL: Thermal clips is explained: the clip pops out to prevent overheating.  Is thermal clips your greatest arguement against consistency?...everything is explained for...Shep isnt working for Cerberus and blah blah blah...being gay is a personal choice you shouldve been able to pick in ME1...NOT in ME3

But feel free to ignore what I just wrote, or to use it out of context just like you usually do.

I hope this shows you that i am willing to debate this losing battle for you...

[alienatedflea]

shootist70 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

.maybe if all the straights gathered up and came up with propositions to advance the straight agenda

And that's exactly what you're doing, but you're not doing it from from an objective position. You see, you already have your straight options in your video game, and you're arguing to exclude other people's preferences becaue they don't match your own. That's the exact opposite of the argument on this thread - it is NOT arguing to exclude hetero options in favour of something else. Is this sinking in?

To make it worse  you're arguing by what's known as sophistry...cobbling together whatever argument you can simply for the sake of disagreeing. You might now know you're doing it but it's perfectly apparent to us, that's why nobody here takes you seriously.






 

my quote is about what this thread wants...to advance yall's agenda to make everything fair for the gays...what is the point of this thread? nothing...its really just a nag and b*(ch at bioware that gays arent represented in the game by not having s/s...this is my point is this thread is pointless...means nothing

[Wittand25]

alienatedflea wrote...
REBUTTAL: There wasnt an option in ME1 and ME2 for male shep so youre saying that now in ME3, shep is all the sudden gay? really? thats like saying in the Harry Potter series (a series that has already been written much like the ME franshise) In the last book, Harry is a flaming gay guy? (i read up to the three book then just lost interest but im sure that he is not gay according the movies) would harry potter in the last book be consistent with the previous harry potter in the earlier series? NO yet you say shep would remain the same in ME3? Shep is vague as a character but his sexual preference is strictly straight...I am not saying that his old/new crewmates might not be gay...and I dont really understand honestly that fem shep can have a bisexual experience while male shep can't maybe it has something to do with women being in more in touch with their feelings than men are (traditionally speaking and there have been studies that show this to be true)

In the case of Harry Potter beein gay in book 7 it would break constancy, because unlike Shepard Harry does have a romantic past with girls in previous instalments.

REBUTTAL: I think the inclusion of s/s romances in DA is why most people either love it or hate it...there is no real middle ground between the two.  Bad press? I didnt hear anything about exclusion of s/s in ME2 in mainstream media was bad...in fact i heard nothing about ME2 other than commercials....i do know that ME1 got media attention with sex scenes...so i am sure that bioware would get more news attention for exploring s/s romances..to say that DA:O and DA:O did it and everything worked would be a misleading because i didnt get DA because there was s/s but it looked entertaining...plus i think they hid the fact you had a fairy elf in the game that hits on you in a very creepy way...just saying

I pointed out that gay romance options don´t hurt sales or cause scandals something that you claimed, not that gay options are a mayor selling point. So what is the point of your rebuttal ?

REBUTTAL: again consistency...you banged females in me1, and in me2 so it would be consistent to have shep banging females in me3...but males...or trannies

You could, but you did not have too. The fact that non import Shepard (in ME2 )managed to dodge all three/ will have managed to dogde all seven females (in ME3) hurling themselves at him in ME1/ME2 does in fact raise the question of his sexuality, because a straight man avoiding all of them seems unlikely.

REBUTTAL: Thermal clips is explained: the clip pops out to prevent overheating.  Is thermal clips your greatest arguement against consistency?...everything is explained for...Shep isnt working for Cerberus and blah blah blah...being gay is a personal choice you shouldve been able to pick in ME1...NOT in ME3

It is explained how everybody, even those who had no contact to the rest of the galaxy for decades until Shepard meets them , upgraded all their weapons to a new standard in a mere two years? Or how Shepard waking from a coma instantly knows how those weapons work without ever seeing one before ?

I hope this shows you that i am willing to debate this losing battle for you...

You know I could point out the trainwreck that the "Only straight Shepard in ME3" tread became within minuetes, or I could point out how the Pro-homosexuality group outnumbers the Antigroup by seven to one (that numbers are from a time before the Anti group went private, probably to avoid the inrush of new memebers), but my upbringing prohibits me from publicy showing (well not exactly, but similar) Schadenfreude, so I wont mention these things.

Modifié par Wittand25, 18 août 2010 - 03:14 .

[shootist70]

alienatedflea wrote...

my quote is about what this thread wants...to advance yall's agenda to make everything fair for the gays...what is the point of this thread?

 
Hilariously enough you just answered your own question right there. If you have a problem with 'making it fair for the gays' that's simply because you have a devalued view of the idea, and that's bigotry.

this is my point is this thread is pointless...means nothing

No, your point that this thread is pointless is pointless. We see where you're coming from - the idea of gay/bi options in your cherished game makes you somehow seethe because of your personal prejudice. We get it already. Repeating those same points ad nauseum because folks disagree with them is, in fact, trolling.

[CShep25]

Alienatedflea doesn't realise Rowling outed Dumbledore as gay way after the first book. What a tragic example he picked.

Now please, can we just... ignore him? Seriously. Why is it so difficult to NOT talk to trolls? They're not exactly cute and cuddly. He goes on one anger fuelled rant, and everyone here feels the need to contest his weak weary opinions, giving him more to feel happy about? Just let him fade away!

I've just got one last thing to say to the unwelcome guest; alienatedflea, I've had enough of your disengenuous assertions. Reported.

Modifié par CShep25, 18 août 2010 - 03:28 .

[ScotGaymer]

I feel sad about alienatedflea.



When he first came into the thread he came off like a young lad who had never really encountered gay people and thus had a few ingrained "prejudices" about it. Mostly just discomfort born from ignorance.



Thats why I tried to talk to him. Ya know assure him that we gays arent evil sinners, and that we arent trying to take over Mass Effect and make super manly shepard into a flamer for everyone.

Siansonea also tried; and you too CShep.



But he just didnt even bother responding to any of our posts save to post the exact same thing over and over without bothering to read or respond to our addressing his concerns. Okay i dont believe his concerns have any basis in reality but that doesnt stop him having them; so I still tried to address them for him like he claims repeatedly that he wants.



It makes me sad that he just wont listen, and is now trying to make out like its US who wont listen to him. We have; far longer than we should have.



Im sorry alienatedflea; I wish I could explain it all to you so you would understand but you simply wont and nothing I say or do or anyone else says or does will change that. Its kinda of why others have said your a troll.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Tirigon wrote...

M/M romance should be available if only because the fandom and franchise are better off without the players that would supposedly be lost by including such an option. I support anything that bunches up the panties of conservative, homophobic nutjobs.

I like the way you think:devil:

Me too.

[alienatedflea]

Wittand25 wrote...

You know I could point out the trainwreck that the "Only straight Shepard in ME3" tread became within minuetes, or I could point out how the Pro-homosexuality group outnumbers the Antigroup by seven to one (that numbers are from a time before the Anti group went private, probably to avoid the inrush of new memebers), but my upbringing prohibits me from publicy showing (well not exactly, but similar) Schadenfreude, so I wont mention these things.

why does it have to always be with you and so many other in this thread, "you are either with us or against us" mentality? im not pro ****** but i am certainly not against ******...you can do whatever you want i don't care...but the ME trilogy has already been written...so by changing shep or making options for shep that wasn't there before is an inconsistency...this whole time i have been saying that IF and i mean IF there was the option for male shep and kaidan to get jiggy with it then i would expect that you should be able to do the same with thane or have some manly man sex with grunt (no offense if anyone finds that to be offensive) and the same should be the same with ME3...to have a new romantic option that was previously unavailable in ME3 would be awkward at the best of moments and down right creepy in the worse...but im sure probably in future games with bioware they will include options that would include homosexuality but it will not happen in ME3  and for that, I am sorry

[Siansonea]

ManShep in ME1 romances Ashley

ManShep in ME2 romances Miranda

ManShep in ME3 romances "Steve"



This is NOT inconsistent. This is bisexual.



ManShep in ME1 avoids romance, befriends Kaidan

ManShep in ME2 avoids romance

ManShep in ME3 romances Kaidan



Again, not inconsistent. This ManShep is almost exclusively homosexual, and it took a little longer for him and Kaidan to come to terms.



FemShep in ME1 romances Liara

FemShep in ME2 romances Thane

FemShep in ME3 romances "Steve"



This is the most inconsistent of the three, since previously she only romanced aliens. Yet even this scenario isn't beyond the realm of possibility.



So, unless you want PETA on your case for beating a dead horse, let's retire this "consistency" litany once and for all, shall we?

[Kriztaen]

I'm all for equality. I give this thread my support and best wishes. Anyone who is against this is just being a bigot. Honestly, the option for same sex romance does not affect my own gameplay at all, and by implementing this option, Bioware shows they are forward thinking and do not alienate an entire group of people who wish for said option but infact open the door towards a more free, open-minded enviroment.

And before anyone asks, yes I am straight.

I neither lose nor gain anything by such an option being made available and would actually be happy that the game becomes even more immersive/emotionally compatible for a wider audience. Anything that improves Mass Effect as a series and places a positive light on it is something I support