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[TelexFerra]

I like this thread

it has weight



and good ideas

[alienatedflea]

Siansonea II wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

CShep25 wrote...

Alienatedflea doesn't realise Rowling outed Dumbledore as gay way after the first book. What a tragic example he picked.

Now please, can we just... ignore him? Seriously. Why is it so difficult to NOT talk to trolls? They're not exactly cute and cuddly. He goes on one anger fuelled rant, and everyone here feels the need to contest his weak weary opinions, giving him more to feel happy about? Just let him fade away!

I've just got one last thing to say to the unwelcome guest; alienatedflea, I've had enough of your disengenuous assertions. Reported.

thats why i didnt pick dumbedore...i am talking about a main character like Harry Potter...not a supporting character...why am i a troll? i am making points but yall just want to ignore the bigger picture haha its funny thanks and have a great day, kind sir!

And you ignored MY post that pretty much put to rest the 'consistency' dead horse you keep beating. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, kid.

Ma'am you do not care about having a great game for ME3...as long as you get what you want in ME3 then the rest can rot for all you care...its been proven by your past posts, lady so replying to your response to my response is futile especially when you talk to other people saying and i quote "anyone who is against this thread is a bigot" tells alot about you and your inability to be flexible...whats even more ironic in this thread is that i support the idea of s/s romances in rpg games...just not ME3...its entirely inconsistent and would just be dumb to satsify a few people when you leave out alot of other gamers...so no i will not reply back to your heterophobic rants and stupidity when the consistency arguement has trumped over all your points...so consistency baby...consistency!

[alienatedflea]

illerianna wrote...

Have been lurking for awhile, but seeing the recent posts, I felt like adding my two cents.

Let me start off by clarifying that I'm a straight woman, and I 100% support FFTL.

It's a common misconception that gay people like to "push" their beliefs on others. I'm very, very close friends with a group of, oh noez, lesbians, and I can say for a fact they have been nothing but accepting of me. I'm sure plenty of homophobes who fear this type of thing have straight, opposite-gender friends. They hang out with them perfectly fine, with no worries of "Oh god I'm going to be hit on". I have the same luxury with lesbian friends. Honestly, if you've ever actually met a gay person, you'd know they aren't out to 'steal your straightness'. (Okay, well, some might, but I get hit on by straight men far more than lesbians.) It's just paranoia and bigotry, not going to change any time soon. Sucks, but that's life.

I also notice a lot of hypocrisy from the anti-gay romance community. Fem!Shep and Liara is A-OK, but god forbid two men hug! Again, homophobia at it's not-so-finest.

And the presence of gay dialogue options offending people? Le sigh. BioWare shouldn't limit the creative freedoms of players just to calm men insecure in their own masculinity. S/S romance options hurt nobody. While you're at it, protest the inclusion of Paragon/Renegade dialogue options! They don't need to taint my dialogue wheel. Right? Amirite?

Continuity is about the most ridiculous argument ever. Shepard has never, ever stated his/her orientation in plain terms. The closest you'll get is by who they romance, and a purely S/S Shep wouldn't have romanced anyone at this point. A new character, or even an old character who has come to terms with their feelings, would not, in any way, 'ruin the story'. (Unless you're insecure in your masculinity)

And I quote from Kelly;

"Love is about character, not gender or species."

That is all. /rant over

ma'am i never said the fem shep bisexual/lez (take your pick) was ok...i am talking strictly male shep throughout the game so far has been straight...yet somehow it would be ok and consistent with the rest of the game that he is now gay...i dont think so...i support this idea...i dont support it being in ME3 when it wasnt in ME1and 2...

[The Radical Centrist]

@ alienatedflea -- Please explain how adding same-sex relationships in ME3 or in DLC for ME2 would be "inconsistent" and why it would leave out "alot [sic] of other gamers".

Next, assign value to consistency.

Then for the finishing touch explain why consistency is more important than having same-sex relationships in ME3 when you've stated you support same-sex relationships in role-playing games.

Modifié par The Radical Centrist, 19 août 2010 - 02:18 .

[alienatedflea]

MoSa09 wrote...

After lurking and catching up. i am just posting my support here. I am completely straight, but i fully support this.

If you don't like a gay romance option in your game, don't pursue it, just like you do with a hetero sexual option you don't like. And just like gay people do with a heterosexual option.

i got a question for you...why is it that we needed to know that youre completely straight? have i ever said I was straight or gay? my support for or against this shouldnt mean that i am gay if i support this or straight if i dont support this...i find that interesting that gay and straight have to state their sexual preferences in order to support this and when we dont state it, we are automatically assumed to be trolls and homophobes...very interesting

Modifié par alienatedflea, 19 août 2010 - 02:45 .

[DigitalMonster]

alienatedflea wrote...

Ma'am you do not care about having a great game for ME3...as long as you get what you want in ME3 then the rest can rot for all you care...its been proven by your past posts, lady so replying to your response to my response is futile especially when you talk to other people saying and i quote "anyone who is against this thread is a bigot" tells alot about you and your inability to be flexible...whats even more ironic in this thread is that i support the idea of s/s romances in rpg games...just not ME3...its entirely inconsistent and would just be dumb to satsify a few people when you leave out alot of other gamers...so no i will not reply back to your heterophobic rants and stupidity when the consistency arguement has trumped over all your points...so consistency baby...consistency!

I'm sorry, but the consistency argument is not a logical response as to why there should not be homosexual romance options in the game. Perhaps in your game Shepard has romanced women, but nowhere in the game does Shepard come out and say "I'm straight and am not attracted to the same sex." For example, in my main playthrough I chose Kaidan as the Virmire survivor and did not romance Liara. In Mass Effect 2 I also chose not to romance anyone with the hopes of there being same sex romance in Mass Effect 3. How then does the consistency argument still hold water?

[alienatedflea]

The Radical Centrist wrote...

@ alienatedflea -- Please explain how adding same-sex relationships in ME3 or in DLC for ME2 would be "inconsistent" and why it would leave out "alot [sic] of other gamers".

Next, assign value to consistency.

Then for the finishing touch explain why consistency is more important than having same-sex relationships in ME3 when you've stated you support same-sex relationships in role-playing games.

ok then ill explain to you if you explain to me why you are so hellbent determined to get s/s in ME3? first off, did you have the option of s/s in ME1? i dont think so (unless i didnt do something right my MALE shep was strictly straight) Secondly, Did you have the option of s/s in ME2? I dont think so (again unless i didnt do something right my MALE shep was strictly straight) How is making shep gay this late in the series going to be consistent with the other two games of the Mass Effect trilogy? Simply put: It won't.  In this story of Mass Effect, MALE shep is strictly straight...but i dont think i am oppose to giving them a bone and saying since fem shep can be gay (if you want to put it like that which i dont think is right because why does one sex have the option of s/s when the other does not) why not give more options to fem shep...sure i guess i wouldnt mind that...I am not saying that is consistent but thats how the developers made the game so lets stick consistent with what the developers had in mind...

you want me to assign value to consistency? lets say you read Narnia or Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings series ok? lets stick with lord of the rings, now Frodo had the task to go to some place with a big volcano and destroy this ring of awesomeness ok? sounds like a cool story but thats because the author was consistent throughout the story. Lets say Frodo find a MACK truck to drive to the volcano which would save him time and the dangers right? but the story is placed in Middle Earth.  How the heck is there a mack truck there? what the heck is happening here? you see? all i didnt was change the mode of transportation for Mr. Frodo but everything else was thrown out of loop.  most people would say that if you change the small details of a character, then big UNFORESEEN changes will occur.  having Male Shep be the rigid straight hero that he is to all the sudden be gay sounds to me a bit drastic. 

I support the idea of having s/s in rpg games...dont misunderstand me like so many have in this thread but what i dont want is s/s in ME3 when the options should be at the begining of a story not at the end. DO you get what i have been trying to say for so long now? That is what ME1 was all about: Character Development.  Yet these people here is all gun hoe about trashing a great game and franshize for their own wants and needs which is selfish in its finest form.  I hope i clearifed somethings you asked...i dont know if i got all of em.  I dont know if you want s/s in ME3 or not but if you do then i am sorry  but I dont think it would be consistent to have something that shouldve been in the beginning a story where characters are developed and settling is established not at the end where you cut loose ends and finish a story

[alienatedflea]

DigitalMonster wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Ma'am you do not care about having a great game for ME3...as long as you get what you want in ME3 then the rest can rot for all you care...its been proven by your past posts, lady so replying to your response to my response is futile especially when you talk to other people saying and i quote "anyone who is against this thread is a bigot" tells alot about you and your inability to be flexible...whats even more ironic in this thread is that i support the idea of s/s romances in rpg games...just not ME3...its entirely inconsistent and would just be dumb to satsify a few people when you leave out alot of other gamers...so no i will not reply back to your heterophobic rants and stupidity when the consistency arguement has trumped over all your points...so consistency baby...consistency!

I'm sorry, but the consistency argument is not a logical response as to why there should not be homosexual romance options in the game. Perhaps in your game Shepard has romanced women, but nowhere in the game does Shepard come out and say "I'm straight and am not attracted to the same sex." For example, in my main playthrough I chose Kaidan as the Virmire survivor and did not romance Liara. In Mass Effect 2 I also chose not to romance anyone with the hopes of there being same sex romance in Mass Effect 3. How then does the consistency argument still hold water?

how is it not the most logical arguement? you establish a character and his/her traits at the beginning of a story not at the end of a story...yet somehow you passed Language Arts...ummm right

[KainrycKarr]

Heterophobic? Did you seriously try to say that?

[alienatedflea]

DanaScu wrote...

Kriztaen wrote...

I'm all for equality. I give this thread my support and best wishes. Anyone who is against this is just being a bigot. Honestly, the option for same sex romance does not affect my own gameplay at all, and by implementing this option, Bioware shows they are forward thinking and do not alienate an entire group of people who wish for said option but infact open the door towards a more free, open-minded enviroment.

And before anyone asks, yes I am straight.

I neither lose nor gain anything by such an option being made available and would actually be happy that the game becomes even more immersive/emotionally compatible for a wider audience. Anything that improves Mass Effect as a series and places a positive light on it is something I support

Quoted for truth, and seconded. I'm glad this thread is still on-going. Despite the problem posters.

problem posters? haha you mean the ones that dont agree with you...like i said before this is a pointless thread...you do not develop a character at the end of the story (ME3) you develop the character's traits at the beginning (ME1) i mean i am assuming you passed English or is that your second langauge? if so then ill back off from you

[DaeJi]

Adding more player choices does not lessen a game built on the concept of player choices. Adding same sex content just adds more content and doesn't take away from the characters or story. Plus, each game is different (to an extent, the range of possibilities in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are not as wide as they seem), so adding same sex content doesn't have to affect anyone's game at all. You have to work to be offended by the concept.

[alienatedflea]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Heterophobic? Did you seriously try to say that?

yes...yes i did...every post in here is all about its make shep gay but when a "problem poster", "troll", or a "homophobe" makes a point...you and others dismiss like it was nothing...its amazing...im starting to think that since the straight people have a point that because you cant see it because your heterophobic and scared the straight people might have something? i dont care its your problem just dont mess up a great game because you have a pain in your butt how the game was made...its incredible

[DigitalMonster]

alienatedflea wrote...

DigitalMonster wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Ma'am you do not care about having a great game for ME3...as long as you get what you want in ME3 then the rest can rot for all you care...its been proven by your past posts, lady so replying to your response to my response is futile especially when you talk to other people saying and i quote "anyone who is against this thread is a bigot" tells alot about you and your inability to be flexible...whats even more ironic in this thread is that i support the idea of s/s romances in rpg games...just not ME3...its entirely inconsistent and would just be dumb to satsify a few people when you leave out alot of other gamers...so no i will not reply back to your heterophobic rants and stupidity when the consistency arguement has trumped over all your points...so consistency baby...consistency!

I'm sorry, but the consistency argument is not a logical response as to why there should not be homosexual romance options in the game. Perhaps in your game Shepard has romanced women, but nowhere in the game does Shepard come out and say "I'm straight and am not attracted to the same sex." For example, in my main playthrough I chose Kaidan as the Virmire survivor and did not romance Liara. In Mass Effect 2 I also chose not to romance anyone with the hopes of there being same sex romance in Mass Effect 3. How then does the consistency argument still hold water?

how is it not the most logical arguement? you establish a character and his/her traits at the beginning of a story not at the end of a story...yet somehow you passed Language Arts...ummm right

But nowhere in the game does it state Shepard's sexuality. That should be left for the player to decide. They should be able to make him straight, gay, or bisexual because his sexuality is not explicitly stated. It was originally intended for Kaidan to be bisexual; there are links to information about it on the first page. All we are asking is for that option to be implemented into the game again.

P.S. I really don't think you have the right to be mocking my Language Arts skills, learn to use proper capitalization and then get back to me.

[Ziggy]

alienatedflea wrote...
the consistency arguement has trumped over all your points...so consistency baby...consistency!../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

I don't want to go into whether or not it's inconsistent, but would having the option really bother you that much?


I mean, it's not like you'd be forced to have a lesbian or gay sheppard. You could simply not take the option.

It's a very minor point against the inclusion of something that would make lots of people happy.



My sheppard is paragon, however I do not find having renegade options a big problem to consistency. What's the big deal? I find it hard to believe that 'inconsistency' is the only reason you object so strongly when it would be nothing more than an occational dialogue option.

[CShep25]

alienatedflea wrote...

ok then ill explain to you if you explain to me why you are so hellbent determined to get s/s in ME3? first off, did you have the option of s/s in ME1? i dont think so (unless i didnt do something right my MALE shep was strictly straight) Secondly, Did you have the option of s/s in ME2? I dont think so (again unless i didnt do something right my MALE shep was strictly straight) How is making shep gay this late in the series going to be consistent with the other two games of the Mass Effect trilogy? Simply put: It won't.  In this story of Mass Effect, MALE shep is strictly straight...but i dont think i am oppose to giving them a bone and saying since fem shep can be gay (if you want to put it like that which i dont think is right because why does one sex have the option of s/s when the other does not) why not give more options to fem shep...sure i guess i wouldnt mind that...I am not saying that is consistent but thats how the developers made the game so lets stick consistent with what the developers had in mind...

That's the hardest I've seen you try to make others understand you, so well done. So let me expand what you've pointed out here in this post. Your argument revolves around the fact Shepard doesn't have the choice to pick a homosexual relationship in the previous games, yes? That is true, he doesn't. But in no dialogue does Shepard ever confirm his sexuality as straight. It's left open to interpretation, as is so much of the character of Shepard. This is a role-playing game; our characters are part of our own imagination. Your Shepard is straight. My Shepard is straight. The promotional Shepard is straight. But there are people who have gone through Mass Effect 1 and 2 avoiding relationships altogether. Because, fuelled by their own imagination, their Shepard is gay, and there aren't any homosexual choices for them to pick. With a couple of same sex options (just a couple, lets not get too hasty), these people can finally indulge in a romance.

At no point has Shepard ever explicitly revealed his sexuality and northing short of mentioning his orientation is indicative of his preference. Shepard is very masculine and manly, but given that homosexuality isn't a lifestyle choice and simply a sexual preference, you're just as likely to get beaten up by a gay guy as you are a straight guy. They're not all about the puppies and sunshine. Do you see what I'm saying here? Simply by allowing some same sex options, the character of Shepard (the generic tough guy kicking asses and taking names that is canon on ALL playthroughs) doesn't change. He's not going to become a walking stereotype; homosexuality becomes a purely user initiated entirely optional development of his or her character. Your Shepard will remain straight, it will be consistent for you and that's smashing but just because he's straight in your game, doesn't make him straight in someone elses. Choice and character development is the very pinnacle of role playing games.

I brought up Caprica and Battlestar earlier, but you must have skipped them. Those are two great examples of homosexuality dealt with with maturity. The fact remains, the gay characters in those shows aren't standing up and making sure the audience knows they're gay; its a normalized perception in which it isn't a big deal or worth mentioning, and a standpoint such as this makes it even easier to leave it up to the player to decide whether their character is gay or not. Because there doesn't need to be any proclamation by Shepard at the start of Mass Effect 1 or a need to input your sexual preference at character creation because its a subtle development and the revelation can be teased out in ME3 without anyone batting an eyelid. Please check out this video which talks briefly about the normalizing of a gay character in Caprica.

Modifié par CShep25, 19 août 2010 - 03:25 .

[Ziggy]

CShep25 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
ok then ill explain to you if you explain to me why you are so hellbent determined to get s/s in ME3? first off, did you have the option of s/s in ME1? i dont think so (unless i didnt do something right my MALE shep was strictly straight) Secondly, Did you have the option of s/s in ME2? I dont think so (again unless i didnt do something right my MALE shep was strictly straight) How is making shep gay this late in the series going to be consistent with the other two games of the Mass Effect trilogy? Simply put: It won't.  In this story of Mass Effect, MALE shep is strictly straight...but i dont think i am oppose to giving them a bone and saying since fem shep can be gay (if you want to put it like that which i dont think is right because why does one sex have the option of s/s when the other does not) why not give more options to fem shep...sure i guess i wouldnt mind that...I am not saying that is consistent but thats how the developers made the game so lets stick consistent with what the developers had in mind...

That's the hardest I've seen you try to make others understand you, so well done. So let me expand what you've pointed out here in this post. Your argument revolves around the fact Shepard doesn't have the choice to pick a homosexual relationship in the previous games, yes? That is true, he doesn't. But in no dialogue does Shepard ever confirm his sexuality as straight. It's left open to interpretation, as is so much of the character of Shepard. This is a role-playing game; our characters are part of our own imagination. Your Shepard is straight. My Shepard is straight. The promotional Shepard is straight. But there are people who have gone through Mass Effect 1 and 2 avoiding relationships altogether. Because, fuelled by their own imagination, their Shepard is gay, and there aren't any homosexual choices for them to pick. With a couple of same sex options (just a couple, lets not get too hasty), these people can finally indulge in a romance.

At no point has Shepard ever explicitly revealed his sexuality and northing short of mentioning his orientation is indicative of his preference. Shepard is very masculine and manly, but given that homosexuality isn't a lifestyle choice and simply a sexual preference, you're just as likely to get beaten up by a gay guy as you are a straight guy. They're not all about the puppies and sunshine. Do you see what I'm saying here? Simply by allowing some same sex options, the character of Shepard (the generic tough guy kicking asses and taking names that is canon on ALL playthroughs) doesn't change. He's not going to become a walking stereotype; homosexuality becomes a purely user initiated entirely optional development of his or her character. Your Shepard will remain straight, it will be consistent for you and that's smashing but just because he's straight in your game, doesn't make him straight in someone elses. Choice and character development is the very pinnacle of role playing games.

I brought up Caprica and Battlestar earlier, but you must have skipped them. Those are two great examples of homosexuality dealt with with maturity. The fact remains, the gay characters in those shows aren't standing up and making sure the audience knows they're gay; its a normalized perception in which it isn't a big deal or worth mentioning, and a standpoint such as this makes it even easier to leave it up to the player to decide whether their character is gay or not. Because there doesn't need to be any proclamation by Shepard at the start of Mass Effect 1 or a need to input your sexual preference at character creation because its a subtle development and the revelation can be teased out in ME3 without anyone batting an eyelid. Please check out this video which talks briefly about the normalizing of a gay character in Caprica.

in addition, in me1 shappard could show no interest in either Tali nor Garrus and yet, in me2 he/she can. It's exactly the same sort of 'inconsistency' as you call it. Not a big deal.

[FataliTensei]

[quote]Em23 wrote...

[quote]CShep25 wrote...
[quote]alienatedflea wrote...
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in addition, in me1 shappard could show no interest in either Tali nor Garrus and yet, in me2 he/she can. It's exactly the same sort of 'inconsistency' as you call it. Not a big deal.
[/quote]

When you think about it, ME2 had alot of inconsistencies, but this is the only one that he seems hung up on.

[Siansonea]

alienatedflea wrote...
the consistency arguement has trumped over all your points...so consistency baby...consistency!

In Fantasy Land maybe. Seriously, can you read?

[jellobell]

alienatedflea wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Heterophobic? Did you seriously try to say that?

yes...yes i did...every post in here is all about its make shep gay but when a "problem poster", "troll", or a "homophobe" makes a point...you and others dismiss like it was nothing...its amazing...im starting to think that since the straight people have a point that because you cant see it because your heterophobic and scared the straight people might have something? i dont care its your problem just dont mess up a great game because you have a pain in your butt how the game was made...its incredible

Whoa hold on there, the only opinion you speak for is your own. There are tons of straight people on this thread that support same-sex romance options, myself included. Keep the sweeping generalizations to yourself thank you.

[Kriztaen]

alienatedflea wrote...
- like i said before this is a pointless thread...you do not develop a character at the end of the story (ME3) you develop the character's traits at the beginning (ME1) 

- i am talking strictly male shep throughout the game so far has been
straight...yet somehow it would be ok and consistent with the rest of
the game that he is now gay...i dont think so...

If that is the case, what about some people that might have roleplayed, made a male Shep that kept Kaiden alive and stayed single in the first 2 games in the hope of something happening?

If that is the case then that is an example of someone developing their character from the start. Also your whole consistency argument goes for the whole *there is no s/s* but there is. Liara + FemShep = Same Sex (more or less)

*sigh* No one is saying anything about your Shep: must change whether you like it or not.

This is simply more choice. Really, how do you not get this? But what you are doing is saying that a guy/guy option is not right because it would somehow make your Shep go all "QAF" on us. No one is asking you to turn your Shep into *Brian Kinney*.

Also you keep trying to put forward the idea that this was what the devs *wanted* rather than something they did not implement to avoid possible trouble from the anti-lgbt public. Really, well that must mean that you have a personal relationship with at least one of the people at BW in charge of these options to be able to so confidently put words into their mouths.

You talk about how MaleShep is straight and was made that way by the devs. Well FYI most people who play this game don't use the default Shep. Alot of people here make a custom Shep with a custom background, custom face, custom fighting style, custom personality (dialogue choices) so your arguement falls flat on its face.

I am not trying to be rude to you and apologize if you take offense, I am simply saying that your arguments are filled with many holes themselves. What you are saying "that you support this" holds absolutely no commonality with the rest of what you say which is pretty much broken down into "my Shep is straight, devs made Shep straight".

Edit: one other question...how would making M/M in any way threaten ME3's story building or gameplay improvement process? I would just like to know how a few extra lines of script and choice for the players can be the turning point between making a good game or a bad one.

DaeJi wrote...

Adding more player choices does not lessen a game built on the concept of player choices. Adding same sex content  just adds more content and doesn't take away from the characters or  story. Plus, each game is different (to an extent, the range of possibilities in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are not as wide as they seem), so adding same sex content doesn't have to affect anyone's game at all. You have to work to be offended by the concept.

Really, this post sums it up pretty well.

Lastly:

alienatedflea wrote...

yes...yes i did...every post in
here is all about its make shep gay but when a "problem poster",
"troll", or a "homophobe" makes a point...you and others dismiss like it
was nothing...its amazing...im starting to think that since the straight people have a point
that because you cant see it because your heterophobic and scared the
straight people might have something? i dont care its your problem just
dont mess up a great game because you have a pain in your butt how the
game was made...its incredible../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png

Please, you already showed a need to put words into the devs mouths. Don't do the same for those of us here that are hetero and not against the idea of S/S.

Modifié par Kriztaen, 19 août 2010 - 06:38 .

[ElitePinecone]

Guys and gals this thread has badly derailed.



Alienatedflea, I don't entirely understand your reasons for posting in what you believe is a pointless thread. Please reconsider posting, because you are disrupting genuine on-topic discussion. This isn't an attack, just a request to cease writing rambling statements that have little if anything to do with the topic of this thread. Your opposition to s/s content is well known - we get your point. Enough is enough.

[Bugzehat]

As far as I can see there are only the following arguements someone can give against this:

1) homosexuality is wrong and disgusting, I don't want to see it.

2) Shepard hasn't had same-sex romance so far, why introduce it now?

3) OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN (SEE ALSO: #1)

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And now let's deconstruct the above arguments:

1) You're a hateful arsewipe, go away, stating your intolerant opinion does not classify as a valid counter-arguement.

2) This is a game, not a history book, Bioware (or anyone with enough time and expertise on their hands) could create a DLC or hack up ME1 and 2 to allow same sex relationships - either way, the status quo is again not a valid argument, if people were saying "Allow Shepard to pilot the ship interactively" do you consider it a valid argument to say "well, he hasn't been able to do that so far, so I'm against it" meaning you're probably a thinly veiled version of 1)

3) The game isn't intended for children, if you find same sex romance to be more abhorrent than gratuitous killing, I again refer you to 1)

[DanaScu]

alienatedflea wrote...

DanaScu wrote...

Kriztaen wrote...

I'm all for equality. I give this thread my support and best wishes. Anyone who is against this is just being a bigot. Honestly, the option for same sex romance does not affect my own gameplay at all, and by implementing this option, Bioware shows they are forward thinking and do not alienate an entire group of people who wish for said option but infact open the door towards a more free, open-minded enviroment.

And before anyone asks, yes I am straight.

I neither lose nor gain anything by such an option being made available and would actually be happy that the game becomes even more immersive/emotionally compatible for a wider audience. Anything that improves Mass Effect as a series and places a positive light on it is something I support

Quoted for truth, and seconded. I'm glad this thread is still on-going. Despite the problem posters.

problem posters? haha you mean the ones that dont agree with you...like i said before this is a pointless thread...you do not develop a character at the end of the story (ME3) you develop the character's traits at the beginning (ME1) i mean i am assuming you passed English or is that your second langauge? if so then ill back off from you

The problem posters. The ones who keep dragging the same off-topic arguments up and pulverizing a dead horse that isn't even being discussed. You want to limit the choices because *your* game didn't have choices and that is your holy grail ideal perfect game. The people who support the availability of choices keep pointing out that that is "your* perfect ideal of the game. You keep ignoring the statements that providing more choices isn't going to force you to play a character you don't want to play. This thread isn't pointless; it is a discussion of the pros and cons of providing additional choices in the game. What is pointless is continuing efforts by only a few people to declare that they have decided that there should never be choices in the game because they said so.

If you are right, and there is no chance in Tartarus that choices will be implemented in the game, there shouldn't be a reason for you to keep coming into a thread discussing something you dislike. Besides, of course, the fact that you do like to troll and flame-bait.

And this reminds me, I have to stop at the vet's office to pick up Frontline for my cat.

[shootist70]

Give it up for your own sake, flea. All you're doing is repeating the same old logical fallacy - the misplaced appeal to consistency. The fallacy comes when the 'consistency' is purely something invented and insisted on by the debator to suit their preference. Believe it or not, many bisexual folk may only have occasional s/s relationships, and don't have to conform to some rampant stereotype of yours just to fit your confused idea of consistency.

What are you afraid of anyway? You'd think we were demanding that ME3 male shep would be restricted to one armour choice of a pink tutu, and ran around squealing 'that was fabulous, darlings!' after every battle.

Modifié par shootist70, 19 août 2010 - 11:36 .