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[Kriztaen]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

Actually, Jack is a pretty good
romance, too, when you take the Paragon route of getting her to actually
care. Garrus was good, too, but in that amusing, comedic sort of way...

Indeed, also I watched the Garrus one on youtube and it did bring about a
chuckle or two (I watched all romances on youtube that I did not get
myself and since I only play a Male-Shep cause it helps me role-play the
game better... *shrug* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie])

Modifié par Kriztaen, 21 août 2010 - 03:29 .

[Kriztaen]

Edit: Deleted due to double posting the same thing

Modifié par Kriztaen, 21 août 2010 - 03:12 .

[CShep25]

Jack was okay. Maybe I'm biased because I somehow ended up with Jack in the romance cutscene despite all my best efforts to avoid her. Plus, the whole tough girl letting her barriers down at the last moment to reveal a heart of gold is such an overused trope.



A purely physical relationship is fine so long as both parties are aware that is all it is. But nine times out of ten, one of them is eventually going to be wanting more, and that spells disaster. You don't need to talk about your feelings or start reciting poetry to show someone you care about them on matters beyond skin level. Sex is the reason for a lot of things but you can't hold a relationship purely on that basis for good amount of time. Miranda's skintight catsuit and caricatured assets were there for only one thing. Everything revolved around her looks, including the dialogue. Forgive me if it came across as teenage fanservice.

[DanaScu]

CShep25 wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I only want a new s/s romance for ME2 (or in ME3) if it isnt going to be like the Miranda or *shudders* Jacob romances.

When I found out Yvonne Strahotski was going to play Miranda, I resolved to make her my love interest. Then I got playing the game and bleurgh. I did not want a tacky purely physical relationship. Maybe I'm shallow, but she was far too sexualized for me to take seriously. I couldn't bring myself to be so obvious when choosing a LI. Out of all of the romances, Tali's was only decent one available and even that was atrociously creepy. That's why I begrudgingly decided to stay faithful to Ash (which is a good thing in retrospect), despite Bioware's attempts at getting us to forget about our ME1 loves and sex the new people.

Every import Shepard I took through the game ended up staying with their ME LI. Having Miranda admit had she been in charge of Lazarus Shepard would have had a control chip implanted kinda killed any "possible romance" ideas for me. Having Jacob say he wasn't with Miranda because she needed a better man than he kinda killed any interest, and that was way before I knew about "the prize": "You don't think you're good enough for Miranda, but you're interested in me? Gee that's nice."  I may eventually get around to creating a non-import Shep to do other romances, but something is just 'off' from the first game when it comes to generating interest in the romances for me. I wish I knew what it was. Dialogues, maybe?

[Solaris Paradox]

DanaScu wrote...

but something is just 'off' from the first game when it comes to generating interest in the romances for me. I wish I knew what it was. Dialogues, maybe?

In the first game, the characters were easy to like because they were clear-cut in their personality and intentions. The characters in ME2 have a tendency to be a lot dodgier. Comes with associating yourself with "terrorists," I guess.

[ArchDemonXIII]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

In the first game, the characters were easy to like because they were clear-cut in their personality and intentions. The characters in ME2 have a tendency to be a lot dodgier. Comes with associating yourself with "terrorists," I guess.

Hmm. I find I like certain members of the new crew better.

 Kaiden was the guy you tolerate because you know his heart's in the right place , but secretly wish would STFU occasionally.

 Ashley really grated on my nerves for some reason and her only redeeming value was her aggressiveness when you romanced her. I think it was the poetry.

 Tali and Liara were both kinda ho-hum and were made more interesting n ME2

 Garrus and Wrex, there I'll agree with you. I thought those two were the saving grace of the ME1 cast.

 As to  Jack as an LI.... well I've done all the LI's in different Sheps, but in real life, she's exactly the type of girl I'd avoid like the plague. Heart of gold, sure, but she's the type of neurotic mess you think you can save like a lost puppy but is just too f'd up to ever have a normal relationship without her inadvertantly ripping out your heart.

Modifié par ArchDemonXIII, 21 août 2010 - 05:01 .

[alienatedflea]

CShep25 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

It really does not matter what you choose and i choose because the there was not an option provided to us if shep (male) could be gay or not thus making him straight regardless if you think your shep is gay becase you are gay or whatever...so he is straight because he didnt have those options

Shepard doesn't eat in any of the games but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a stomach. Shepard doesn't sleep unless he's unconscious in any of the games but that doesn't mean he won't get tired. Shepard doesn't go to the toilet in any of the games, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have an ****. I could go on if you like.

so you want to have all those options as well as being able to choose s/s? that sounds pretty crazy to me...so i guess i will have to specify the options so people arent confused.  Since there was not the option to have a romantic relationship with another male if youre a male then wouldnt one conclude that shep is straight? or is that wrong?

[Kriztaen]

ArchDemonXIII wrote...

Hmm. I find I like certain members of the new crew better.

 Kaiden was the guy you tolerate because you know his heart's in the right place , but secretly wish would STFU occasionally.

 Ashley really grated on my nerves for some reason and her only redeeming value was her aggressiveness when you romanced her. I think it was the poetry.

 Tali and Liara were both kinda ho-hum and were made more interesting n ME2

 Garrus and Wrex, there I'll agree with you. I thought those two were the saving grace of the ME1 cast.

 As to  Jack as an LI.... well I've done all the LI's in different Sheps, but in real life, she's exactly the type of girl I'd avoid like the plague. Heart of gold, sure, but she's the type of neurotic mess you think you can save like a lost puppy but is just too f'd up to ever have a normal relationship without her inadvertantly ripping out your heart.

*ignores the flea like a bad comedian until he comes up with new material*

Personally I liked Kaiden as a bit of the *voice of reason* among most of the crew, the guy seems laid back in a good way but sometimes can come off as rather monotonous.

I disliked Ashley, hands down she just annoyed me. I dunno what it was but she rubbed me the wrong way (no pun intended) and the poetry thing felt a little forced...but maybe thats just me.

Agree on the Tali/Liara thought.

Definately agree, after getting all ally achievements I pretty much stuck with using Garrus/Wrex as my team through 90% of all other playthroughs except in parts where someone else seemed appropriate (like using Kaiden/Ash for Therum and Liara/Wrex for Noveria)


As for SR-2's crew...

Grunt was my own mindless muscle...good for me since I like to play the intellectual tactician so a "bodyguard" is a nice touch. But a Wrex, he is not.

Garrus...what can I say? Its Garrus. Garrus Vakarian. Nuff' said.

Zaeed and Kasumi, initially interesting characters but never expanded on enough to really get more notice or care.

Samara/Morinth - Both a little boring to be honest, tragic...but boring.

Jack...what can I say? I love/hate Jack. I like her character but sometimes just wanna Biotic Slam her ass. Been with that kinda woman IRL (minus the childhood experimentation/biotic powers) and that sorta thing never ever ever ends well.

Thane...I like Thane, his character is tragic, almost Greek if you get my meaning. He is a walking talking (we need to give this guy his own coming of age for his son drama series) tragic kind of hero.

Jacob was not bad...just bland compared to everyone else.

Miranda was interesting...until you got to know more and she became a bit of a 1 hit wonder. Okay, we get it, you are hung up over your "genetic perfection" and have daddy issues. Play a new song already.

Tali...Fine...but I am not a huge Tali fan so....yeah.... *moving on*

Legion never seems to really go farther than "Oh cool! I have my own pet Geth!"

Pretty much my thoughts on the crews....

Modifié par Kriztaen, 21 août 2010 - 05:24 .

[alienatedflea]

Kriztaen wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I will say yes you are right that
shep is vague to say the least but wouldnt you agree with me that in
ME1, that the preference of his sexual tendencies been done in the first
game and not the last game? It really does not matter what you choose
and i choose because the there was not an option provided to us if shep
(male) could be gay or not thus making him straight regardless if you
think your shep is gay becase you are gay or whatever...so he is
straight because he didnt have those options and its too late to make
those options unless your willing to rewrite ME1 and ME2 to satisfy you ../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

"The choice was never given" does not equal to "does not exist". So many
things like "was still in the closet but came out after 100 near death
experiences and an actual death" are a possibility as well as the more logical "stayed single through 2 adventures because he/she did not find the right person".

Also...rewriting ME.....Ammo (heat sinks my ass), smaller talent trees (what happened to
my other 4-5 abilites, how did my Sentinel get so weak in comparison to
a few months before?) oh and also needing to take down
shield/barrier/armor before being able to use most abilities (did not
have to do that before) as well as a constant need to refuel?

Dude, rewrites are rampant, and I was just mentioning a few. Retconning is a very major thing in all forms of media from games to sci-fi to comics (Mass Effect encompasses all 3) and is a majorly accepted practice. And in this case it would not even really be retcon since it was a subject that was simply never brought up rather than fully denied.

Zealot644 wrote...

The thing that scares me most about this, is that you are guy players wanting same sex romances.

I dont
care if you're gay or not but I dont enjoy when people like you try to
push things like this. It isnt normal to begin with, but we allow it and
accept that is how some people are...but dont try and force others into
making everything tailor your needs like this, its wrong. Am I the only
one who would HATE being the animator for the guy to guy scene if I was
forced to make one?

No one is trying to "push" the idea, simply laying it out there in a request for equality, sorry if you feel pressured, I am sure that is not the intention of most who support this topic. But really who are we to say what is normal? Someone mentioned a page or 2 back that same sex relationships were widely accepted even in older cultures and only became taboo later on due to other religious beliefs.

On a related note, did any guys actually complain about the FemShep/Liara romance? I sure as hell enjoyed watching it  I'm just saying...

One reason I truly support this thread is because one of my best friends is gay and I can get pretty protective of equal rights thanks to years of seeing from a straight person's perspective just how douchey people can get. Also I grew up in an extremist-catholic country that constantly tried to force me to conform to beliefs and culture...so I am pretty big about "everyone deserves their own choices".

I respect that some people choose to be against the idea for whatever reasons, but at the same time I respectfully disagree.

sounds like to me that your pushing this on to others more specifily Bioware...you dont care if its through rewrites or whatever...you just want shep to be gay when originally he is not gay (if you dont believe me then replay ME1, there is no shep (man on man) love scene in there now was there? NO yet it does not matter what i say this is a futile thread that its supporters have to bash critics by calling them trolls if they make a point, call them homophobes because some posters here are very desperate to jam this down our throats so they can rub it in our face on how everything is right now or (like i have been saying as well) the gay gamer community will still be b*tching because the gay scenes seems rushed and OUT OF PLACE to most people.  I am not saying this isnt an "OK" idea but it will not work for ME3 because character development happens in the first book of a trilogy not the last one.  

[Chippetg]

alienatedflea wrote...

CShep25 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

It really does not matter what you choose and i choose because the there was not an option provided to us if shep (male) could be gay or not thus making him straight regardless if you think your shep is gay becase you are gay or whatever...so he is straight because he didnt have those options

Shepard doesn't eat in any of the games but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a stomach. Shepard doesn't sleep unless he's unconscious in any of the games but that doesn't mean he won't get tired. Shepard doesn't go to the toilet in any of the games, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have an ****. I could go on if you like.

so you want to have all those options as well as being able to choose s/s? that sounds pretty crazy to me...so i guess i will have to specify the options so people arent confused.  Since there was not the option to have a romantic relationship with another male if youre a male then wouldnt one conclude that shep is straight? or is that wrong?

Not really. Following that logic, if you were trapped on an island full of gay men who wanted nothing better than to sleep with you, then you would be gay - even if you didn't actually have sex with any.

[Kriztaen]

Wow, just re-read my recent post...I sound like I hate 9/10 of the Normandy's 2 crews

I do like almost all the characters to a degree, I guess they just come off in a bit of a negative light when I try to break them down into descriptions of 1 1/2 sentences or less

[Kriztaen]

alienatedflea wrote...


sounds like to me that your pushing this on to others more specifily Bioware...you dont care if its through rewrites or whatever...1-you just want shep to be gay when originally he is not gay (if you dont believe me then replay ME1, there is no shep (man on man) love scene in there now was there? NO yet it does not matter what i say this is a futile thread that its supporters have to bash critics by calling them trolls if they make a point, 2-call them homophobes because some posters here are very desperate to jam this down our throats so they can rub it in our face on how everything is right now or (like i have been saying as well) the gay gamer community will still be 3-b*tching because the gay scenes seems rushed and OUT OF PLACE to most people.  I am not saying this isnt an "OK" idea but it will not work for ME3 because 4-character development happens in the first book of a trilogy not the last one.  

1. I don't want Shep to be gay, I am straight and my Shep is straight. I am just saying the option would be nice for others who do want that. But we have argued this point to death and you are obviously friends with devs who are telling you that every Shep even the FemSheps with Liara are straight.

2. I have not called anyone a homophobe. Its used too much as an insult here that I am trying to avoid it. However I will happily call certain people a broken record.

3. To be honest all the "love" scenes seem rushed and out of place but that is just my own opinion.

4. Broken record.

Modifié par Kriztaen, 21 août 2010 - 05:36 .

[alienatedflea]

DaeJi wrote...

Zealot644 wrote...

The thing that scares me most about this, is that you are guy players wanting same sex romances.

I dont care if you're gay or not but I dont enjoy when people like you try to push things like this. It isnt normal to begin with, but we allow it and accept that is how some people are...but dont try and force others into making everything tailor your needs like this, its wrong. Am I the only one who would HATE being the animator for the guy to guy scene if I was forced to make one?

The animators seemed fine when doing it for Dragon Age Origins. The highest selling BioWare title to date. The one that, unlike Mass Effect 2, had a full on (PG-13) sex scene involving two males.

Professionalism>bigotry.

I got a question for you, DaeJi.
Whos being a bigot here? i will refresh your memory of the term Bigotry and Bigot
Bigotry: (noun) stubborn or complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own
Bigot:  (noun) a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion

Sounds like there are people on both sides of this spectrum that are bigots.  The straight bigots are pretty much saying "get that gay crap out of my game" while the gay bigots are pretty much saying, "Don't feed the trolls ladies and gents" (meaning you wont rationally listen to the opposition making me it seem like your people is intolerant)

so i do support having s/s romances under certain conditions in future rpg games but it shouldnt start at the end of a great trilogy..there are problems with that even if you dont see it now and i bet every problem me or any other person says you will rationalize it out so its not a problem any more but too bad not everyone has the same mindset of you so i dont know if i sound like a bigot seeing how i dont care if you can have s/s in other rpg games just not here and my way of thinking of not including it now is that character development happens in the beginning of the story not at the end where there should be loose ends resolved..

[Siansonea]

The grooves on the record go round and round.

Guys, AF is never going to listen to any of the many reasons why adding same-sex content in ME3 does not violate the consistency of the story. He thinks Shepard is Marcus Fenix, and the fact that he wasn't a Gay Homosexual in ME1 means he couldn't possibly be gay or bisexual (a term AF seems to particularly struggle with) in later games. There is a mental block there the size of Utah, so all the logical, reasonable, dispassionate explanations in the world are going to fall on deaf ears. He refuses to listen to logic. More logic will just be ignored.

[CShep25]

[quote]alienatedflea wrote...

[quote]CShep25 wrote...

Shepard doesn't eat in any of the games but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a stomach. Shepard doesn't sleep unless he's unconscious in any of the games but that doesn't mean he won't get tired. Shepard doesn't go to the toilet in any of the games, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have an ****. I could go on if you like.[/quote]

so you want to have all those options as well as being able to choose s/s? [/quote]

Of course not. I'm making a point.

Since there was not the option to have a romantic relationship with another male if youre a male then wouldnt one conclude that shep is straight? or is that wrong? [/quote]

Wrong.

[ArchDemonXIII]

Kriztaen wrote...

As for SR-2's crew...

Grunt was my own mindless muscle...good for me since I like to play the intellectual tactician so a "bodyguard" is a nice touch. But a Wrex, he is not.

I love Grunt. Having a bit of a morbid sense of humor myself, I found some of his "disturbing" stories to be downright laugh out loud funny. Like the one involving a turian and a clawhammer. Made me giggle.

Garrus...what can I say? Its Garrus. Garrus Vakarian. Nuff' said.

Nuff said indeed.

Zaeed and Kasumi, initially interesting characters but never expanded on enough to really get more notice or care.

Zaeed was a one note archetype. Kasumi I found to be pretty interesting, if only because I like her informal mannerism and sarcastic wit.

Samara/Morinth - Both a little boring to be honest, tragic...but boring.

Tragic as in "tragically, I couldn't bring myself to care."

Jack...what can I say? I love/hate Jack. I like her character but sometimes just wanna Biotic Slam her ass. Been with that kinda woman IRL (minus the childhood experimentation/biotic powers) and that sorta thing never ever ever ends well.

*nods*

Thane...I like Thane, his character is tragic, almost Greek if you get my meaning. He is a walking talking (we need to give this guy his own coming of age for his son drama series) tragic kind of hero.

I hate Thane. Too much angst, not enough personality. kind of Ashley 2.0 for me. Yea, his story is tragic. If only I cared.

Jacob was not bad...just bland compared to everyone else.

I actually really like Jacob. To me he was Kaidan done right. I think people miss that out of a crew of misfits, he's the relatable one.Shame about his uselessness as a squadmate.

Miranda was interesting...until you got to know more and she became a bit of a 1 hit wonder. Okay, we get it, you are hung up over your "genetic perfection" and have daddy issues. Play a new song already.

I like Miranda, if only cuz she straight up blasts people the way renegade Shep used to (*thinks back fondly of executing Chorban, Shiala, Rana, etc.*). I think that's why i always take her as my LI despite her fivehead.

Tali...Fine...but I am not a huge Tali fan so....yeah.... *moving on*

Tali was meh in ME1. I really like her in ME2. She reminds me of the cool tomboy you can hang out with and make fun of girly girls with.

Legion never seems to really go farther than "Oh cool! I have my own pet Geth!"

I like Legion, though i think the fact recruiting him pretty much rushes you into the endgame ultimately hurts his characterization. But I like his unique perspective.

[CShep25]

EDIT: random double post

Modifié par CShep25, 21 août 2010 - 06:00 .

[alienatedflea]

Kriztaen wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...


sounds like to me that your pushing this on to others more specifily Bioware...you dont care if its through rewrites or whatever...1-you just want shep to be gay when originally he is not gay (if you dont believe me then replay ME1, there is no shep (man on man) love scene in there now was there? NO yet it does not matter what i say this is a futile thread that its supporters have to bash critics by calling them trolls if they make a point, 2-call them homophobes because some posters here are very desperate to jam this down our throats so they can rub it in our face on how everything is right now or (like i have been saying as well) the gay gamer community will still be 3-b*tching because the gay scenes seems rushed and OUT OF PLACE to most people.  I am not saying this isnt an "OK" idea but it will not work for ME3 because 4-character development happens in the first book of a trilogy not the last one.  

1. I don't want Shep to be gay, I am straight and my Shep is straight. I am just saying the option would be nice for others who do want that. But we have argued this point to death and you are obviously friends with devs who are telling you that every Shep even the FemSheps with Liara are straight.

2. I have not called anyone a homophobe. Its used too much as an insult here that I am trying to avoid it. However I will happily call certain people a broken record.

3. To be honest all the "love" scenes seem rushed and out of place but that is just my own opinion.

4. Broken record.

1) it would also be nice if terrorism didnt exist or we could feed the world's hungry people or if we both had a billion dollars for spending money but it wouldnt happen to the world or to you or me...we havent argued this to death because if it was dead then we wouldnt be talking about having s/s in ME3...so there you have it and i am talking about male shep you imbecile...i do think it is funky that fem shep is bisexual but it is how the developers made the game...im sorry when i play a game...i just play a game...i dont wish to live my life in a game...its like sayin to infinity ward that mw2 should have the options for soldiers in hot pink to represent the gay gamer community...NO! no one would take you serious and you would end up getting burned so why is this any different? its a game yet people want s/s so they can live their lifes if it was in Mass Effect galaxy
2)oh yea i forgot you people dismissed the consistency arguement when it still stands strong especially when the option of having s/s in the first two games were not there! therefore male shep is straight than a nail but somehow you people seem to think that shep is as straight as a line that was drawn by Michael J. Fox...NO...the option didnt exist in ME1 or ME2 therefore it would be consistent if male shep didnt have the options in ME3...how hard is that to understand? 
3) so thats your rationale to have sex scenes that will be even more rushed and out of place...(no disagreement here)
4) wow really? I bet you were the team leader of your high school debate class...kudos for being a jack****

[alienatedflea]

Cshep
Explain how that is wrong? sounds pretty clear cut to me...

[CShep25]

Nope. Don't feel like it.

[alienatedflea]

Chippetg wrote...
Not really. Following that logic, if you were trapped on an island full of gay men who wanted nothing better than to sleep with you, then you would be gay - even if you didn't actually have sex with any.

so if a gay man rapes another man, then the raped would be gay...is that what you are saying?

[Solaris Paradox]

ArchDemonXIII wrote...

Hmm. I find I like certain members of the new crew better.

No, no, you're misunderstanding my meaning. Likability and the quality or complexity of a character aren't the same thing. I can say that I don't like Jack because she's a psychotic @#$%&, but that's not a statement of how I feel about her character, that's just a statement of how I feel about the kind of person she is. Kaiden, Ashley, and Liara are all easy to read, and none of them have any blatant darkness to them that makes them unlikable. That might be a downside to their characters, but when you consider what kind of people they are, they're more "likable" when compared to a character like Miranda, who has a hard, cold shell you have to crack to find the likable part.

[ArchDemonXIII]

alienatedflea wrote...

BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH 
its like sayin to infinity ward that mw2 should have the options for soldiers in hot pink to represent the gay gamer community...BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH

This speaks louder than anything I could possibly say in retort..... *facepalm*

[Solaris Paradox]

...hot pink?



Your opinion is now officially invalid.

[ArchDemonXIII]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

ArchDemonXIII wrote...

Hmm. I find I like certain members of the new crew better.

No, no, you're misunderstanding my meaning. Likability and the quality or complexity of a character aren't the same thing. I can say that I don't like Jack because she's a psychotic @#$%&, but that's not a statement of how I feel about her character, that's just a statement of how I feel about the kind of person she is. Kaiden, Ashley, and Liara are all easy to read, and none of them have any blatant darkness to them that makes them unlikable. That might be a downside to their characters, but when you consider what kind of people they are, they're more "likable" when compared to a character like Miranda, who has a hard, cold shell you have to crack to find the likable part.

See, I like that standoffishness. I tend to be drawn to the hard to approach people, because often when someone doesn't say a lot, it isn't because they have nothing worth hearing. If I'm at a party and some one is kind of off the side and observing, that's invariably the person who's brain I want to pick.