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[Siansonea]

Walrusninja wrote...

Some people think you can change from straight to gay, some don't. There's no official right or wrong view so don't judge people for it. Personally, I don't know. I do think though, that most people who've lived all their life straight and are happy, have had girlfriends etc. are unlikely to randomly change suddenly at some fairly late point in their life. That would be very difficult mentally.

BISEXUAL. Look it up. Instead of either/or, some people want BOTH. It's not a matter of opinion, there have been documented cases of real actual honest-to-God bisexuals spotted in the wild. It's not a matter of people 'randomly changing suddenly'. Bisexual. BI-SEX-U-AL. WHY is this so hard for people to understand? Do they not have the Internet in Utah?

[Walrusninja]

Wow, well way to go ott. I was as civil as I could be in what I said, there was nothing aggressive in it. I'm not in Utah Sherlock, I'm in the UK, grow up.

Obviously yes, I'm aware what Bisexuality is. But straight people who are just plain straight do exist. Maybe some of the characters Bioware have written into their story are plain straight or whatever? While we have our views, these characters would also have theirs.

[Cootie]

Siansonea II wrote...

Walrusninja wrote...

Some people think you can change from straight to gay, some don't. There's no official right or wrong view so don't judge people for it. Personally, I don't know. I do think though, that most people who've lived all their life straight and are happy, have had girlfriends etc. are unlikely to randomly change suddenly at some fairly late point in their life. That would be very difficult mentally.

BISEXUAL. Look it up. Instead of either/or, some people want BOTH. It's not a matter of opinion, there have been documented cases of real actual honest-to-God bisexuals spotted in the wild. It's not a matter of people 'randomly changing suddenly'. Bisexual. BI-SEX-U-AL. WHY is this so hard for people to understand? Do they not have the Internet in Utah?

Now, now. Patience. Information travels slowly through an Internet connection made of shoestrings and tin cans.


*cough*


Anyway!

Since I think my discussion-query was lost about two pages back with one or two
responses(I didn't count. Sorry. I am a horrible person, and I love
you, whoever responded), and I doubt anyone will click on page 68-ish
just out of curiousity and spot it.

So I'll post it again, because I'm really curious about how the average forum-goer approaches a Mass Effect romance.
"Do you throw yourself into each and every one? Do you scan and pick one
after determining which suits you best? Do you pick the "designated LI"(Ashley/Kaidan, Miranda/The Priiiize) or something like that?

Would your approach to a possible homosexual romance be any different? How?"

Also, I'm notifying you to check back with this post because I might edit it with responses to posts made before I could press the lovely Submit button.


WOAH-HEY!
Quick Edit:

Walrusninja wrote...

Wow, well way to go ott. I was as civil as I could be in what I said, there was nothing aggressive in it.
I'm not in Utah Sherlock, I'm in the UK, grow up.
Obviously yes,
I'm aware what Bisexuality is. But straight people who are just plain
straight do exist. Maybe some of the characters Bioware have written
into their story are plain straight or whatever? While we have our
views, these characters would also have theirs.

According to several surveys (google it.) the myth of One in Ten has been broken up into "more like 1 in 20", actually. (Unless you're Shepard, then you really get to be one IN ten, if you know what I mean. ZING!)
Still, the SR-2 is a big ship with a nice enough crew. And you'd think that in the future the statistics might change. All in all, I believe it is realistic to imagine that at least someone on that ship could have the hots for our lovely protagonist-person, and be afraid of showing it.
It's called character progression. If done well, in a smooth turn, it's very nice. Stiffness gets dull. (Again, unless you're Shepard. BOOYAH!)
Basically, what I'm saying is: It's perfectly logical for more than one of the crew members to be possibly gay, or bisexual. It's perfectly logical for those to maybe not reveal their sexualities yet. It took Tali some extra time, why not Kaidan, or Bisexual Garrus, or Bisexual Tali again?
It's perfectly logical for a character to spend some time between ME-2 and ME-3 in their "sexual discovery phase", and so forth.
What you and I both are against, however, is the feeling of it being clumsily forced. No, no, no. Smooth turns.
Do want smoothness.

Modifié par Cootie, 22 août 2010 - 05:20 .

[Siansonea]

"Do you throw yourself into each and every one? Do you scan and pick one after determining which suits you best? Do you pick the "designated LI" (Ashley/Kaidan, Miranda/The Priiiize) or something like that?

Would your approach to a possible homosexual romance be any different? How?"

I usually just talk to everybody in each playthrough, get a feel for the characters that Shepard has a natural rapport with, then go with the romance option that fits with the Shepard best. If I've got a super Paragon Shepard with biotics, I go for like-minded LIs with biotics. If my Shep is Renegade and anti-alien, I go for the most unpleasant human LI. Same sex romances would be explored in the same way, and I only have one Shepard of each gender that would explore them.

[Cootie]

Siansonea II wrote...

"Do you throw yourself into each and every one? Do you scan and pick one after determining which suits you best? Do you pick the "designated LI" (Ashley/Kaidan, Miranda/The Priiiize) or something like that?

Would your approach to a possible homosexual romance be any different? How?"

I usually just talk to everybody in each playthrough, get a feel for the characters that Shepard has a natural rapport with, then go with the romance option that fits with the Shepard best. If I've got a super Paragon Shepard with biotics, I go for like-minded LIs with biotics. If my Shep is Renegade and anti-alien, I go for the most unpleasant human LI. Same sex romances would be explored in the same way, and I only have one Shepard of each gender that would explore them.

If you could pick any of the current LI's and treat it as a homosexual romance, which ones would you choose and why? Depending on the Shepards you play, of course.
(This is to discern which ones people would like to see as homosexual romance options the most, and the least, which ones recieve praise and objections, how and why. Feel free to rant or continue the discussion along these lines.)

Modifié par Cootie, 22 août 2010 - 05:30 .

[Walrusninja]

Nice post Cootie, some great food for thought there. And yes, overall, smoothness is what's needed as you said. Feeling forced or directed into anything is unpleasant. I didn't really like Jack's romance decline process. It was basically: "Hi I hate you (intro)" then "wow I might actualy have made a friend" then do you love me (no)?" then "I hate you". WHAT?!



I wonder if the stats would change that much or in what way? Maybe it'd just scale with the growing populace and races and balance or maybe it'd leap this way or that. Food for thought again.

I could see Liara being Bi easily, actually, I basically consider her so already. Asari seem quite "versatile". Characters like Ash seem quite "that's just the way it is" and are unlikely to change, but there's certainly variety in the team.



When I'm playing through. Hmm. I guess I just go for it and see which character I care about, if any. I then decide if I want to follow that course or not or just go scan more rocks:p

[ArchDemonXIII]

Cootie wrote...

If you could pick any of the current LI's and treat it as a homosexual romance, which ones would you choose and why? Depending on the Shepards you play, of course.
(This is to discern which ones people would like to see as homosexual romance options the most, and the least, which ones recieve praise and objections, how and why. Feel free to rant or continue the discussion along these lines.)

 

I can't really pick one as I will explore any LI they put in the game just to see how it plays out. My interest in S/S is purely out of RP rather than any personal desire. Just responding cuz I don't want you to think i ignored your post.

 I can tell you my least favorite would be Thane, but that was because I hated his hetero romance too. Did I mention I hate Thane? 

 (btw that was me that responded last time)

[Ziggy]

Cootie wrote...

"Do you throw yourself into each and every one? Do you scan and pick one after determining which suits you best? Do you pick the "designated LI" (Ashley/Kaidan, Miranda/The Priiiize) or something like that?
Would your approach to a possible homosexual romance be any different? How?"

If you could pick any of the current LI's and treat it as a homosexual romance, which ones would you choose and why? Depending on the Shepards you play, of course.
(This is to discern which ones people would like to see as homosexual romance options the most, and the least, which ones recieve praise and objections, how and why. Feel free to rant or continue the discussion along these lines.)

I generally romance the character I like the best, or none if I don't like any (me2).
I wish Ash was available for femshep.
Quite strange really, I'm athiest and not a big fan of poetry but I really liked her anyway.
I didn't like any of the me2 characters though - they all seemed too self interested and it felt like they'd been very carefully designed to appeal to a certain types of people.

edit: actually Tali in me2 would have been quite nice too.

Modifié par Em23, 22 août 2010 - 06:27 .

[catabuca]

Brodyaha wrote...

If my MShep could romance Kaidan, he would. Kaidan has a depth to his character from the beginning of the game. He's cautious because he doesn't want to step out of line (either in a relationship or his job), but when he's confident, then you think, "Where did that come from?!" Example: arguing with Ash on Virmire on who will go with Kirrahe, and meeting him again on Horizon.
As a female: Miranda. Because after her loyalty mission she's surprisingly nice. She has that character depth. I think Tali is too immature and Jack would kill you if you got into a fight.

I'm pretty much the same. In fact, the majority of my manSheps already have an 'off-screen' relationship with Kaidan, one that they don't pursue for the good of the mission (that's the only way I can not let myself get too angry that they can't follow their love in-game). Apart from his shouty-whisper >.< Kaidan is my favourite character in ME. He has a sense of what is professional, and doesn't want to transgress that, which at times can make him seem distant, but when you get to know him his past is full of ghosts, and it's clear he has his own demons. For me, Kaidan is so completely the natural choice for a m/m relationship I do a fingers-in-ears lalalala I can't hear you when people suggest otherwise

And male or female, the inclusion of a Tali romance so completely breaks my game it's not even funny. I loved taking her into battle in ME1, she was great when she was badass. She was my kid sister, going out into the world on her own, finding herself, proving herself, and now she wants to jump me? NO!

As for who my femShep would romance, I guess of everyone it would be Miranda or Ash, but Ash is invariably dead, and my current femSheps love Kaidan.

[Siansonea]

My bisexual ManShep would romance Kaidan, Jacob or Thane. Garrus is too much of a brother. He's already romanced Liara and Miranda. He'd like to mix it up with a dude for a change.



My bisexual FemShep has already romanced Liara and Garrus, she would probably only go for Jack of the existing female LIs. She's VERY anti-Cerberus, and Tali's too young and delicate.

[Tirigon]

alienatedflea wrote...

I mean look at the story Shep is going to save the galaxy so he is going to be focused on gathering allies and making plans to deal with the reapers but you think he/she will have time to get their finger nails painted and can go out to the gay bar to pick up a young little something something...really?

Well, maybe Shepard cares not as much about his task as he should. I mean, I know for sure I would rather party than focus on the mission if I was in her place.....

[Tirigon]

Cootie wrote...

"Do you throw yourself into each and every one? Do you scan and pick one
after determining which suits you best? Do you pick the "designated LI"(Ashley/Kaidan, Miranda/The Priiiize) or something like that?

Would your approach to a possible homosexual romance be any different? How?"

My approach was like that:

-- in ME1: Liara. Because Liara is probably the most beautiful and fascinating girl that was ever created in a game. (Also because I find Ash ugly and couldn´t stand her, nor Kaidan).


-- in ME2: I just played along my manShep and somehow I screwed up with both Miranda and Jack. So Shep took Tali just to have someone:) However, I ddin´t really like any of the romances there......
My FemShep romanced Jacob and Thane simultanously and ended up with Jacob. But I preferred my second playthrough with Garrus, cause Garrus is cool.

[Siansonea]

Tirigon wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I mean look at the story Shep is going to save the galaxy so he is going to be focused on gathering allies and making plans to deal with the reapers but you think he/she will have time to get their finger nails painted and can go out to the gay bar to pick up a young little something something...really?

Well, maybe Shepard cares not as much about his task as he should. I mean, I know for sure I would rather party than focus on the mission if I was in her place.....

And it's posts like this that prove that all of Flea's claims of having 'legitimate concerns' are hogwash.

[Kriztaen]

Siansonea II wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I mean look at the story Shep is going to save the galaxy so he is going to be focused on gathering allies and making plans to deal with the reapers but you think he/she will have time to get their finger nails painted and can go out to the gay bar to pick up a young little something something...really?

Well, maybe Shepard cares not as much about his task as he should. I mean, I know for sure I would rather party than focus on the mission if I was in her place.....

And it's posts like this that prove that all of Flea's claims of having 'legitimate concerns' are hogwash.

I pretty much skip any posts by the flea at this point so I don't read them unless someone quotes 'em but...Oh my god, I know I'm going to hell for this, but that post made me laugh my ass off!

That level of ignorance, stereotyping and general lack of manners made me realize just how truly sad and fake this farce of "i support the idea, just not on my game" can get.

[ArchDemonXIII]

Kriztaen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I mean look at the story Shep is going to save the galaxy so he is going to be focused on gathering allies and making plans to deal with the reapers but you think he/she will have time to get their finger nails painted and can go out to the gay bar to pick up a young little something something...really?

Well, maybe Shepard cares not as much about his task as he should. I mean, I know for sure I would rather party than focus on the mission if I was in her place.....

And it's posts like this that prove that all of Flea's claims of having 'legitimate concerns' are hogwash.

I pretty much skip any posts by the flea at this point so I don't read them unless someone quotes 'em but...Oh my god, I know I'm going to hell for this, but that post made me laugh my ass off!

That level of ignorance, stereotyping and general lack of manners made me realize just how truly sad and fake this farce of "i support the idea, just not on my game" can get.

One gets the impression that the reason he supports it for other games is because he has no intention of playing them....

 

[Wittand25]

To answer the question from before: Kaidan would be the dream candidate for my male Shepard, but he would also don't mind Jacob (as long as he keeps his mouth shut) or Thane.

Usually I pick the romance that feels natural to me at the first playthrough, if the game is good enough to warrant several playthroughs I afterwards try to see the other romances too.



@everyone can we just totally ignore the insect, to much discussion about posters like him got other threads closed.

[ArchDemonXIII]

Someone suggested this on TVtropes and I thought it might be worth bringing it up here..... what about a male Kelly? Like a crew mate that you could "have dinner" with? I know it's not a full blown relationship, but it's more than is there currently.

[ElitePinecone]

ArchDemonXIII wrote...

Someone suggested this on TVtropes and I thought it might be worth bringing it up here..... what about a male Kelly? Like a crew mate that you could "have dinner" with? I know it's not a full blown relationship, but it's more than is there currently.

Interesting idea. A role roughly analogous to Kelly's would need to be invented - heck, even Kelly is fairly redundant and sorta useless - but I can actually see this working. As you point out, though, people expecting a romance with Kelly (as opposed to experimentation with a rabid pansexual, polyamorous yeoman) were perhaps disappointed in ME2. It would definitely be an improvement to have a male version, but not exactly fantastic in terms of its romance potential (for example, if ME3 features a final scene with Shep's LI, I dare say Kelly/male Kelly wouldn't be included...).  

[ArchDemonXIII]

ElitePinecone wrote...


Interesting idea. A role roughly analogous to Kelly's would need to be invented - heck, even Kelly is fairly redundant and sorta useless - but I can actually see this working. As you point out, though, people expecting a romance with Kelly (as opposed to experimentation with a rabid pansexual, polyamorous yeoman) were perhaps disappointed in ME2. It would definitely be an improvement to have a male version, but not exactly fantastic in terms of its romance potential (for example, if ME3 features a final scene with Shep's LI, I dare say Kelly/male Kelly wouldn't be included...). 

Nice sig..

 Speaking of which, now I want one in addition to an actual S/S romance option. That way RPP Shep can nail 2 yeomen, finalize an LI before the final mission, and then assuming it's like ME2 and you can continue after the game and get new love interests, Plow through the rest of the crew like a fat kid through a stack of pancakes.

Take that, Kirk.

Modifié par ArchDemonXIII, 23 août 2010 - 09:03 .

[Gibb_Garrus]

My opinion.



This ****** fantasy gameplay you people want should ONLY be available via DLC. I would not be able to handle my bro garrus hitting on me, i'd sell my copy of ME3.

[ElitePinecone]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

My opinion.

This ****** fantasy gameplay you people want should ONLY be available via DLC. I would not be able to handle my bro garrus hitting on me, i'd sell my copy of ME3.

Noted. Next...

[Kriztaen]

I bet even 9/10 straight Sheps would *Michael-Corleone-kiss* Thane for the simple fact that kissing him wiould be like making out with a brick of weed....according to Mordin.

[Tirigon]

Wittand25 wrote...

but he would also don't mind Jacob (as long as he keeps his mouth shut)

Epic Win !:D:D:D

[Tirigon]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

My opinion.

This ****** fantasy gameplay you people want should ONLY be available via DLC. I would not be able to handle my bro garrus hitting on me, i'd sell my copy of ME3.

He shouldn´t. But if YOU want to hit on HIM, you should have the option to do so.