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[ScotGaymer]

Tirigon wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

My opinion.

This ****** fantasy gameplay you people want should ONLY be available via DLC. I would not be able to handle my bro garrus hitting on me, i'd sell my copy of ME3.

He shouldn´t. But if YOU want to hit on HIM, you should have the option to do so.

You cant really telly these people that because for them it doesnt really compute. They will come up with the arguement that its too easy to to accidentally hit on someone and trigger a romance in these games.

You are right tho almost ALL of the romances are player initiated in almost ALL games that have them; therefore theoretically it wouldnt be possible to accidentally romance the wrong character.
I say theoretically tho because in ME2 and DAO it was far too easy to accidentally romance someone. So the arguement they would use is pretty much true.

For example the Miranda romance; you could be just being friendly and bam she thinks your a couple. Jack's the same. And so is Jacob (as a FemShep).
In DAO I was romancing Zevran and then Alistair started asking me about my "thing" with Morrigan. And i was like "what thing? im playing a ****** elf mage!" Needless to say I was forced to make that character str8 and try again to romance Zevvy later.

I can understand why they would want it to be restricted to DLC because accidentally romancing Jacob as maleShep would probably cause me to gouge out my eyes and fling my ME2 disk out my window. As a gay guy I found it uncomfortable enough being almost forced into banging each and every woman I could on board SR-2; an ignorant or homophobic str8 would be vastly more discomfited by having Jacob or Thane inexplicably after him.

I dont agree with the DLC idea. Simply because why would I and my GayManShep playthru beforced to endure the discomfort of Miri trying to get into his pants every time he says "hi Miranda how you getting on?" and everyone else not be forced to endure the same thing as a str8 person (or str8 playthru) with Jacob or Thane or Garrus. Its really not fair i tell you!

Actually in all seriousness as you say Tirigon it wouldnt be a problem -theoretically- if the romances were actually chosen, and we know they arent. You fall into them by accident and then go "oops how did I get here?" My first play thru my Str8!ManShep was going to be loyal to his Ashley and I hadnt even noticed the romance with Miranda had initiated until the photo of Ash in Shep's cabin had been put down.
I knew this meant I was wrongmancing someone. I was like "wtf? who am I romancing?". I realised it was Miri and promptly broke it off; but really considering the so called romance options really only seemed like i was being a good mate there was no way i coulda avoided it on this play thru (Shep was a paragon) cos he didnt wanna have to be a dick to her.

At least DAO had the "we are JUST friends! right!" options when talking to your squadmates and you can carry on with a realistic and fun friendship path. ME2 doesnt even have that; ME2 is "bang me or ill hate you forever!"

Lame!

So the problem really is more the fact that the ME2 romances suck. They are easy to accidentally fall into, reduce the characters for possibly interesting people into slags ruining said characters, and they are exceedingly shallow. The most satisfying I found was the "casual dinner date" with Kelly (cos thats actually realistic!) and the almost romances with Mordin and Samara.
ALL the romances need improved; as well as a decent s/s romance added.

[Kriztaen]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

So the problem really is more the fact that the ME2 romances suck. They are easy to accidentally fall into, reduce the characters for possibly interesting people into slags ruining said characters, and they are exceedingly shallow. The most satisfying I found was the "casual dinner date" with Kelly (cos thats actually realistic!) and the almost romances with Mordin and Samara.
ALL the romances need improved; as well as a decent s/s romance added.

Agreed, I also felt like half the time I was being forced into a relationship just because I am trying to be nice. Half the time in both ME games I felt like i was in a shotgun-wedding situation. An example would be where I was clearly aiming for a romance with Liara in ME1 and at one point I get a thing with Ash and Liara and I'm stuck hearing "You need to pick one of us!" at that point I wanted to send an e-mail to the devs to make a patch that allows me to pick an option in that convo that goes something like "Damn it woman! I was never trying to be anything more than friendly with you! Get over yourself! Just cause I show interest in what you have to say and have a penis does not mean I wanna bump uglies!"

On a side note (and a funny one at that) on my last playthrough of ME2 I decided to romance Miranda for the first time, funnily enough unlike the last 3 times I somehow picked an option somewhere that kept us on "friend/neutral terms" and inexplicably got told by Tali near the end that I need to tell Jack I can't be with her if I wanna be with Tali. You have no idea how stupid I felt on that playthrough...

[wickedwizzard01]

Kriztaen wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

So the problem really is more the fact that the ME2 romances suck. They are easy to accidentally fall into, reduce the characters for possibly interesting people into slags ruining said characters, and they are exceedingly shallow. The most satisfying I found was the "casual dinner date" with Kelly (cos thats actually realistic!) and the almost romances with Mordin and Samara.
ALL the romances need improved; as well as a decent s/s romance added.

Agreed, I also felt like half the time I was being forced into a relationship just because I am trying to be nice. Half the time in both ME games I felt like i was in a shotgun-wedding situation. An example would be where I was clearly aiming for a romance with Liara in ME1 and at one point I get a thing with Ash and Liara and I'm stuck hearing "You need to pick one of us!" at that point I wanted to send an e-mail to the devs to make a patch that allows me to pick an option in that convo that goes something like "Damn it woman! I was never trying to be anything more than friendly with you! Get over yourself! Just cause I show interest in what you have to say and have a penis does not mean I wanna bump uglies!"

On a side note (and a funny one at that) on my last playthrough of ME2 I decided to romance Miranda for the first time, funnily enough unlike the last 3 times I somehow picked an option somewhere that kept us on "friend/neutral terms" and inexplicably got told by Tali near the end that I need to tell Jack I can't be with her if I wanna be with Tali. You have no idea how stupid I felt on that playthrough...

i have had the same thing happen in ME1 
and in ME2 with Tali was being loyal to Liara and out of no where she starts talking that it would be dangerous for her but she was going to find out how she could make it work with antibiotics, i was like WTF what just happened????
i did not like you in ME1 and trying to get you off my ship in ME2 so why would i give up Liara for you??? 


Edit: checking scanners for the migrant fleet 
*flameshield UP*

Modifié par wickedwizzard01, 23 août 2010 - 11:51 .

[Solaris Paradox]

In ME2, I find it's easier to recognize the romance options since they have a tendency to actually say something related to romance. In ME1, Kaiden will accidentally say something suggesting that he likes you and your response to let him know you're not rejecting him is paraphrased as "It's alright." Yeah...

In ME2, a lot of the time you actually make the first advance yourself and it's something blatant like "Hey Garrus how bout WE ease stress together," or sappy like "I want you to need me" or "I'd embrace you." Tali's romance line is pretty obvious, so you should know that responding too enthusiastically will probably start something you might not want to do.

Modifié par Solaris Paradox, 23 août 2010 - 11:51 .

[wickedwizzard01]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

In ME2, I find it's easier to recognize the romance options since they have a tendency to actually say something related to romance. In ME1, Kaiden will accidentally say something suggesting that he likes you and your response to let him know you're not rejecting him is paraphrased as "It's alright." Yeah...

In ME2, a lot of the time you actually make the first advance yourself and it's something blatant like "Hey Garrus how bout WE ease stress together," or sappy like "I want you to need me" or "I'd embrace you." Tali's romance line is pretty obvious, so you should know that responding too enthusiastically will probably start something you might not want to do.

well.... it;s not as obvious  as you make it out to be 

EDIT: but it happened with Leliana also in DA:O Was going with Morrigan and suddenly she starts the Jealousy thing, and i was, huh???? i have nothing with Leliana then talk to Leliana and she was going like ""you said  you did not care about Morrigan" then i was completely comfused as far as i knew i had not even said anything like it
so..... i end the thing with Leliana (wich i never knew existed) and everything was back to normal again:huh:

Modifié par wickedwizzard01, 23 août 2010 - 12:06 .

[Kriztaen]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

i have had the same thing happen in ME1 
and in ME2 with Tali was being loyal to Liara and out of no where she starts talking that it would be dangerous for her but she was going to find out how she could make it work with antibiotics, i was like WTF what just happened????
i did not like you in ME1 and trying to get you off my ship in ME2 so why would i give up Liara for you??? 


Edit: checking scanners for the migrant fleet 
*flameshield UP*

Heh, same thing, I like Tali as a background member of the crew (I like her character as a "friend", just not enough to take her groundside with me for missions and not to start a romance with)

Jeez, half the reason I was being so nice to her in ME2 was because I figured "well we are old buddies and Garrus (who I love as my brother from another mother) is the only one on this ship that has been a friend that I have known for longer. And hell, I've only known him longer by about 15-20 minutes game time (2-3 hours Mass Effect time).

[wickedwizzard01]

Kriztaen wrote...

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

i have had the same thing happen in ME1 
and in ME2 with Tali was being loyal to Liara and out of no where she starts talking that it would be dangerous for her but she was going to find out how she could make it work with antibiotics, i was like WTF what just happened????
i did not like you in ME1 and trying to get you off my ship in ME2 so why would i give up Liara for you??? 


Edit: checking scanners for the migrant fleet 
*flameshield UP*

Heh, same thing, I like Tali as a background member of the crew (I like her character as a "friend", just not enough to take her groundside with me for missions and not to start a romance with)

Jeez, half the reason I was being so nice to her in ME2 was because I figured "well we are old buddies and Garrus (who I love as my brother from another mother) is the only one on this ship that has been a friend that I have known for longer. And hell, I've only known him longer by about 15-20 minutes game time (2-3 hours Mass Effect time).

but i found a solution to the Tali "problem'' i now allways get her as last crew member after i picked up Legion
that way i only do her mission (or not) and go on to the SM 

[Kriztaen]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

but i found a solution to the Tali "problem'' i now allways get her as last crew member after i picked up Legion
that way i only do her mission (or not) and go on to the SM 

Sadly I pick her up asap since my main Shep is roleplayed as pretty much the "nice guy" and getting his old friends back are one of his top priorities. Though I am sadly dissapointed Garrus runs out of things to talk with me about so soon.

Moving on, one of my friends sent me 2 very interesting links recently (he is bi and knows I support this thread) and he thought they would be a nice read and indeed they are.

www.gamecritics.com/brad-gallaway/mass-effect-2-and-the-lack-of-homosexuality-in-space

www.1up.com/do/blogEntry - this one is Bioware actually explaining why there is not S/S in ME2. Most interesting though is the posts by readers at the bottom after the article. Sadly though it seems like BW kinda avoided giving a straight answer and the overall consensus seems to be that they just wanted to avoid the controversy that ME1 had with the less PG sex scenes and FemShep/Liara backlash from conservatives.

Not sure if these were linked before, but I thought they were interesting.

Modifié par Kriztaen, 23 août 2010 - 12:47 .

[PsyrenY]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

This ****** fantasy gameplay you people
want should ONLY be available via DLC. I would not be able to handle my
bro garrus hitting on me, i'd sell my copy of ME3.

That's a bit extreme. Did you also sell ME2 when Mordin thought you were into him?

FitScotGaymer wrote...

For example the Miranda romance; you could be just being friendly and bam she thinks your a couple. Jack's the same. And so is Jacob (as a FemShep).

Actually, I thought Miranda was done exceedingly well. The point at which you would go from camaraderie to romance is very easy to spot. ([Kiss her.]) And when my gay Shepard avoided the prompt, we stayed friends - there was no feeling of disappointment like I got from Liara in ME1.

Kriztaen wrote...

Sadly I pick her up asap since my main Shep is roleplayed as pretty much the "nice guy" and getting his old
friends back are one of his top priorities.

You can justify that easily; she tells you on Freedom's Progress that she has her own mission, so a nice guy Shepard would give her space until she reaches out to say that it's complete. When you're done recruiting everyone you can then be concerned that you haven't heard from her, follow up on TIM's lead, and swoop in to the rescue when you find her team has been annihilated by Geth.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 23 août 2010 - 02:36 .

[Snarlinghamster]

I couldn't even bring myself to talk to Jacob on my second playthrough with my femshep. She talks to him like she is on heat or something! Something needs to be done either by download or highlighting the talk options (as they do with paragon/renegade choices). My femshep would of been with Tali but not Garrus (he's more like a buddy) not Jacob (boring character) and I don't even know where to begin with Thane! He's grotesque!

[wickedwizzard01]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

This ****** fantasy gameplay you people
want should ONLY be available via DLC. I would not be able to handle my
bro garrus hitting on me, i'd sell my copy of ME3.

That's a bit extreme. Did you also sell ME2 when Mordin thought you were into him?

FitScotGaymer wrote...

For example the Miranda romance; you could be just being friendly and bam she thinks your a couple. Jack's the same. And so is Jacob (as a FemShep).

Actually, I thought Miranda was done exceedingly well. The point at which you would go from camaraderie to romance is very easy to spot. ([Kiss her.]) And when my gay Shepard avoided the prompt, we stayed friends - there was no feeling of disappointment like I got from Liara in ME1.

Kriztaen wrote...

Sadly I pick her up asap since my main Shep is roleplayed as pretty much the "nice guy" and getting his old
friends back are one of his top priorities.

You can justify that easily; she tells you on Freedom's Progress that she has her own mission, so a nice guy Shepard would give her space until she reaches out to say that it's complete. When you're done recruiting everyone you can then be concerned that you haven't heard from her, follow up on TIM's lead, and swoop in to the rescue when you find her team has been annihilated by Geth.

i found it to be quite funny when you have Legion in your squad when you pick up Tali,
especially the part where Kal Reegor said "There's a Geth right behind you":o:D 

[kalle90]

Now that we're talking simply about unwanted romances, I have to say my very first, the true Shepard got ruined in ME2 when I wanted to support Jack because of all her tragedy yet romantically I would have picked Tali or Miranda.

So suddenly I was stuck with Jack romance. Eventually I turned her down (cold), Miranda died and Jack was really pissed at me while remaining loyal...

The.Entire.Series.Ruined.Right.There. The following playthroughs didn't fix the feeling. Not looking to play that save in ME3 at all. The only solution is that I'm able to kick Jack out from my team and somehow use Lazarus to get Miranda back or alternatively tell Tali that we don't have to hold back because of the mission anymore

[Tirigon]

FitScotGaymer wrote...


You cant really telly these people that because for them it doesnt really compute. They will come up with the arguement that its too easy to to accidentally hit on someone and trigger a romance in these games.

You are right tho almost ALL of the romances are player initiated in almost ALL games that have them; therefore theoretically it wouldnt be possible to accidentally romance the wrong character.
I say theoretically tho because in ME2 and DAO it was far too easy to accidentally romance someone. So the arguement they would use is pretty much true.

And if this is the only concern, I share it, though for heterosexual romances too.

As you said yourself:

So the problem really is more the fact that the ME2 romances suck. They are easy to accidentally fall into, reduce the characters for possibly interesting people into slags ruining said characters, and they are exceedingly shallow. The most satisfying I found was the "casual dinner date" with Kelly (cos thats actually realistic!) and the almost romances with Mordin and Samara.
ALL the romances need improved; as well as a decent s/s romance added.

You just can´t add anything to that because it´s so true.

[Tirigon]

Kriztaen wrote...

www.gamecritics.com/brad-gallaway/mass-effect-2-and-the-lack-of-homosexuality-in-space

I must say this blog (review? whatever) is most interesting and sums up pretty much everything that needs to be said.

[CShep25]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

The most satisfying I found was the "casual dinner date" with Kelly (cos thats actually realistic!) and the almost romances with Mordin and Samara.

And they went and ruined Kelly by making her a stripper. Really, I can't imagine what was going through the dev's heads when they thought it would be cool to have Kelly do a little jig for Shepard's pleasure. Who enjoys that apart from witless teenagers who drool over anything remotely related to sex? It's tacky, demeaning and boringly repetitive, while showing Shepard to be a total ****** who abuses his position. As with Miranda, they sleazed up Kelly's romance. I remember before the game was released, one of the developers suggested Kelly was his favourite romance. Now I see it, I know he must have been joking.

If they had taken that development time they used to make her prance around your cabin, and gave us a cutscene of that dinner date, no matter how brief or inconsequential, I'd have picked her for my romance. Seeing Shepard socialising with his hands full (and not just standing there all awkwardly), eating, drinking and engaging in some banter across the table. Perhaps with dim atmospheric candlelight, a soothing tune playing in the background to give the scene some ambience. It's a real shame I can look at certain parts of the game, such as Kelly, the derelict reaper level, squad interaction and find so many missed opportunities that could have made the game on par with ME1 with only a couple of story-driven atmospheric differences.

Modifié par CShep25, 23 août 2010 - 07:46 .

[Oblivious]

As far as I'm concerned, and I know this will ****** everyone off, I'm glad that ME has no homosexual romances. Simply put, Commander Shepard is a highly respected, even revered, galactic figure who has done the impossible many times and is regarded as a military hero. With the exception of a few minor armies (more due to lack of manpower more than anything else), homosexuals are not allowed in large militaries. Whether they be gay or lesbian. Dragon Age makes sense since you're out in the wilds for a year with these people, Jade Empire made sense since ancient Asia tolerated homosexuals.



Simply put, by making Shepard a homosexual the game instantly loses all appeal to me due to a terrible attempt to appeal to gays. In other news, I accept the Asari since the game gives a logical and acceptable reason as to why they're bisexual. I would also accept it if the ME 3 added an all-male race for male characters to romance as long as its included logically and not just thrown in. I would not appreciate the thought of sleeping with turians, drell, salarians, or humans anymore than I would accept a Fem!Shep sleeping with Tali or Miranda.



In this games setting and context homosexuality just doesn't work like in Dragon Age or Jade Empire. It can be implemented but don't destroy my bromance with Garrus or Wrex by having both of them flirt with you or having a dialogue option that says "Don't worry, I got your back!" and then have Shepard french kiss them. The only option would be to include an all-male race IMO, but like I said that's highly controversial and I'll probably get roasted for this post.

[CShep25]

Oblivious wrote...

homosexuals are not allowed in large militaries.

lolwut? If history has taught us anything, it's that gay soliders are BAMF and generally awesome.

Romances do need to be player initiated for ME3. In the last two games, ambiguously being friendly resulted in romance which will not do, meaning some clarification and specific intentions need to be summarised in the dialogue choice titles. The best solution would be to include another colour choice for all romance dialogue so you know exactly what you'll be getting yourself into. I don't want to be romancing Garrus either. Whether BW bothers to listen to that advice this late in the trilogy, I'm not so sure though. If they decide to keep the same system which proved itself not up to par for a bulk of romance option in ME2, then I'm ultimately against the inclusion of more romances, straight or gay. If they fix it and make romance player initiated with clearcut dialogue choices, then I can handle a couple of bisexual options.

Modifié par CShep25, 23 août 2010 - 07:56 .

[FataliTensei]

Oblivious wrote...

Simply put, Commander Shepard is a highly respected, even revered, galactic figure who has done the impossible many times and is regarded as a military hero. .

So were the spartans and the samurai in the past(minus the galactic part), and homosexuality was encouraged in those armies because they believed homosexual men were better warriors.

[Kriztaen]

Oblivious wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, and I know this will ****** everyone off, I'm glad that ME has no homosexual romances. Simply put, Commander Shepard is a highly respected, even revered, galactic figure who has done the impossible many times and is regarded as a military hero. With the exception of a few minor armies (more due to lack of manpower more than anything else), homosexuals are not allowed in large militaries. Whether they be gay or lesbian. Dragon Age makes sense since you're out in the wilds for a year with these people, Jade Empire made sense since ancient Asia tolerated homosexuals.

Simply put, by making Shepard a homosexual the game instantly loses all appeal to me due to a terrible attempt to appeal to gays. In other news, I accept the Asari since the game gives a logical and acceptable reason as to why they're bisexual. I would also accept it if the ME 3 added an all-male race for male characters to romance as long as its included logically and not just thrown in. I would not appreciate the thought of sleeping with turians, drell, salarians, or humans anymore than I would accept a Fem!Shep sleeping with Tali or Miranda.

In this games setting and context homosexuality just doesn't work like in Dragon Age or Jade Empire. It can be implemented but don't destroy my bromance with Garrus or Wrex by having both of them flirt with you or having a dialogue option that says "Don't worry, I got your back!" and then have Shepard french kiss them. The only option would be to include an all-male race IMO, but like I said that's highly controversial and I'll probably get roasted for this post.

Not gonna roast you for it, though I suspect some might and to be perfectly frank your post is a bit harsh and could use a little more tact.

Though your position of not wanting homosexuality is your own opinion/belief/religion/background/culture/etc and I respect that. I have one question that bugs me...at what point does being a "revered galactic figure that has saved the universe/done the impossible" have anything to do with someone's sexual preference?

I can understand where you are coming from on most of your post except this one part that totally flew over my head....also the out in the wilds with these people line also confuses me. Leave me in the woods with Zevran for 10 years and believe me I will likely still be taking care of my own needs thank you.

Also on a less serious note, sleeping with Tali for me seems the largest risk of all since at least we know what everyone else looks like. She might look like a Predator under that helmet for all I know *prepares to be lynched by Talimancers*

Modifié par Kriztaen, 23 août 2010 - 08:02 .

[realyoungjeezy]

Mass Effect 3 gay butt pirates in space.

[Rogue Unit]

realyoungjeezy wrote...

Mass Effect 3 gay butt pirates in space.

103 still on the way?

[Siansonea]

Why do people have children? And why don't more parents drown their children once said children hit puberty? Perhaps that's a topic for another thread...

In any case, I think it's unbelievable that theoretically sapient individuals fail to make the distinction between "including same-sex romance options" and "making Shepard gay". The mind boggles. You would think we are asking BioWare to get rid of all heterosexual romances, make Shepard dress in drag 24/7, and install a disco ball in the Normandy's CIC. Skull-crushing facepalm, this one.

[ArchDemonXIII]

Siansonea II wrote...

Why do people have children? And why don't more parents drown their children once said children hit puberty? Perhaps that's a topic for another thread...

I support post-natal abortion.

In any case, I think it's unbelievable that theoretically sapient individuals fail to make the distinction between "including same-sex romance options" and "making Shepard gay". The mind boggles. You would think we are asking BioWare to get rid of all heterosexual romances, make Shepard dress in drag 24/7, and install a disco ball in the Normandy's CIC. Skull-crushing facepalm, this one.

 That's what happens when the sum of someone's knowledge comes from TV and movies. And Chris Crocker. The only way to counter that is with positive gay characters, which is why I support this thread. 

 Look at the short end of the stick Asians get... The females are fetishized, while the males only get roles that consist of bookworm/scientist/technician, comic relief, slumlord, criminal or martial artist.

[Tirigon]

Oblivious wrote...
With the exception of a few minor armies (more due to lack of manpower more than anything else), homosexuals are not allowed in large militaries.

They are allowed in the German Buindeswehr, and we are the second best. So kindly shut up.

[ScotGaymer]

Oblivious wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, and I know this will ****** everyone off, I'm glad that ME has no homosexual romances. Simply put, Commander Shepard is a highly respected, even revered, galactic figure who has done the impossible many times and is regarded as a military hero. With the exception of a few minor armies (more due to lack of manpower more than anything else), homosexuals are not allowed in large militaries. Whether they be gay or lesbian. Dragon Age makes sense since you're out in the wilds for a year with these people, Jade Empire made sense since ancient Asia tolerated homosexuals.

Simply put, by making Shepard a homosexual the game instantly loses all appeal to me due to a terrible attempt to appeal to gays. In other news, I accept the Asari since the game gives a logical and acceptable reason as to why they're bisexual. I would also accept it if the ME 3 added an all-male race for male characters to romance as long as its included logically and not just thrown in. I would not appreciate the thought of sleeping with turians, drell, salarians, or humans anymore than I would accept a Fem!Shep sleeping with Tali or Miranda.

In this games setting and context homosexuality just doesn't work like in Dragon Age or Jade Empire. It can be implemented but don't destroy my bromance with Garrus or Wrex by having both of them flirt with you or having a dialogue option that says "Don't worry, I got your back!" and then have Shepard french kiss them. The only option would be to include an all-male race IMO, but like I said that's highly controversial and I'll probably get roasted for this post.

I am sorry but I dont agree.

Firstly.
Most if not all of the G8 - that is the greatest 8 powers in the world - do not have laws against homosexuality and do not prohibit homosexuals from serving in the forces.
Britain, France, and Germany all have formidable armed forces and all allow it.
So your statement of all the "major" armed forces in the world dont allow it is blatantly false. The only large armed forces that dont allow it are Russia and China's. The rest of the big ones including the USA do.

Secondly.
In the West and to a lesser extent the rest of the world, the trend has been moving ever more towards diversification and tolerance. More and more our societies become more accepting of difference.
100 years in the future I would imagine this to be even more true. Thus I dont think holding society in that time to the standards of today would be right.

Thirdly.
Given DAO is set in a medieval society wtih a christian like dominant religion I would say it makes LESS sense to have openly gay relationships than it does in Mass Effect.
The player character can romance Zevran and sleep with many male prostitues in the brothel.
There is Wade and Herren who are blatantly together.
And no one seems to bat and eye towards homosexual pairings.

Fourthly.
I dont understand. Your not okay with ManShep bumping uglies with Kaidan but you'd be fine with it he did "it" with a monogendered male like race ala the Asari (who are monogendered female like)?
Why?

Im sorry but I just dont get this arguement that FemShep isnt gay if she does it with Liara cos Liara is from a monogendered race.
Even if it doesnt make Liara gay (cos Asari can sleep with ANYTHING) it DOES make FemShep gay. The same would work if ManShep did it with Thane (presuming the Drell were an all male race) or whoever.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 24 août 2010 - 12:01 .