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[Tirigon]

serjwolf wrote...

gay

Sadly not. If it were, we wouldn´t need this thread and the according group:innocent:

[Tirigon]

PWENER wrote...

For all the Fight for the Love people out there...



50 gamerscore!!!

I got it. 3 times.

[PsyrenY]

Brodyaha wrote...

Asari are mono-gendered, and yet

1) They sound like women
2) They have the shape of women
3) Liara can be romanced by a FemShep

Even
Kaidan addresses the issue, if you string him and Liara along at the
same time. He tells FemShep, "I didn't realize you were a le--...well,
that you liked women."
Liara: "My species only has one gender." (Something like that)
Kaidan: "Yeah, but you look--"

Bioware could make a mono-gendered race that sounded and look like men...who could be romanced by an MShep.

There are other references to Asari femininity - e.g. Nef, Morinth's victim on Omega, says in her video diary:  "Am I a freak? Morinth is a girl like me!"

ElitePinecone wrote...

Since the female clan is literally all female, any ambassador would also have to be female (from what I remember from the game). I never checked that salarian, but since we've never been told what a female salarian looks like there's really no way of knowing...

That's not true: there are males that live with the female clan. Usually they are the Krogan too young to go through their clan's Rite, but there are others, e.g. the Urdnot scout that you can save during Mordin's loyalty goes to live with the female clan.

I didn't see anything about that ambassador to indicate he was female.

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[PsyrenY]

And justice was served.


Any more thoughts on Liara? the DLC debuts next month. I fully intend explosive drama between my FemShep, Garrus, Liara and Kelly Chambers. The Suicide Mission will be a cakewalk compared to the Normandy when I'm done. 

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 24 août 2010 - 04:48 .

[Siansonea]

Unfortunately my FemShep that romanced Liara subsequently hooked up with Garrus, I wonder if she'll still be able to hook up with Liara in the DLC? It would be a bummer if she had to talk to the blue hand just because she went a few rounds with G.

[Tirigon]

Optimystic_X wrote...


There are other references to Asari femininity - e.g. Nef, Morinth's victim on Omega, says in her video diary:  "Am I a freak? Morinth is a girl like me!"

Weeeell. Nef was drugged, and is not very educated, and has no experience with party or people and stuff. She just makes the common human mistake to consider everything with boobs and a vagina female.
(Though, if we´re honest, we don´t know for sure if Asari have the latter. Noone has ever seen their lower body parts uncovered.)

[Siansonea]

Tirigon wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...


There are other references to Asari femininity - e.g. Nef, Morinth's victim on Omega, says in her video diary:  "Am I a freak? Morinth is a girl like me!"

Weeeell. Nef was drugged, and is not very educated, and has no experience with party or people and stuff. She just makes the common human mistake to consider everything with boobs and a vagina female.
(Though, if we´re honest, we don´t know for sure if Asari have the latter. Noone has ever seen their lower body parts uncovered.)

Baby asari gotta pop out somewhere. I'm pretty sure they don't spring fully-formed from the mommy's forehead.

[CShep25]

We all refer to Liara as a she. Calling her 'it' wouldn't go down very well I'm sure. I still consider asari to be a female race rather than getting bogged down in technical specifics. Making a monogendered male race is far too contrived and awkward a plot piece. Why bother when the definition is simple semantics? Just have regular male romance options. Don't create an entirely new immersion-breaking-fanserviced species just to avoid the word 'gay'.

[PsyrenY]

Tirigon wrote...

Weeeell. Nef was drugged, and is not very educated, and has no experience with party or people and stuff. She just makes the common human mistake to consider everything with boobs and a vagina female.
(Though, if we´re honest, we don´t know for sure if Asari have the latter. Noone has ever seen their lower body parts uncovered.)

I'm not talking about the actuality of asari physiology though, I'm talking about how they are perceived sexually by members of other species. They can parrot "mono-gender" until the Reapers come for all I care; the fact is that societally, girls who get with them self-identify as either lesbian or bi, at whatever point on the Kinsey Scale you want to start measuring such delineations.

Siansonea II wrote...

Baby asari gotta pop out somewhere. I'm pretty sure they don't spring fully-formed from the mommy's forehead.

Indeed. They also have belly buttons (source: bachelor party), which suggests they are placental like humans and other mammals. Belly button = umbilical cord. Placental offspring develop inside the mother, which means they need a way out - presumably, a vagina of some kind.

For that matter, Quarians seem to be placental as well, or at least they seem to breast feed.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 24 août 2010 - 05:35 .

[Siansonea]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Weeeell. Nef was drugged, and is not very educated, and has no experience with party or people and stuff. She just makes the common human mistake to consider everything with boobs and a vagina female.
(Though, if we´re honest, we don´t know for sure if Asari have the latter. Noone has ever seen their lower body parts uncovered.)

I'm not talking about the actuality of asari physiology though, I'm talking about how they are perceived sexually by members of other species. They can parrot "mono-gender" until the Reapers come for all I care; the fact is that societally, girls who get with them self-identify as either lesbian or bi, at whatever point on the Kinsey Scale you want to start measuring such delineations.

Siansonea II wrote...

Baby asari gotta pop out somewhere. I'm pretty sure they don't spring fully-formed from the mommy's forehead.

Indeed. They also have belly buttons (source: bachelor party), which suggests they are placental like humans and other mammals. Belly button = umbilical cord. Placental offspring develop inside the mother, which means they need a way out - presumably, a vagina of some kind.

For that matter, Quarians seem to be placental as well, or at least they seem to breast feed.

Great minds think alike, Opty.

One thing to remember is that mono-gendered is not the same as non-gendered, genderless, or neuter. Non-gendered or neuter individuals do not participate in reproduction, even if they may engage in simulated mating behavior, etc.

The asari have ONE gender (MONO-gendered), a gender that creates babies inside itself, with a little help from another sapient life form's nervous system. Since the word we use for beings that create babies inside themselves (or lay eggs, or otherwise provide oocytes/eggs) is Female, it follows that the ONE gender the asari display is Female. On earth, we have everything from female plants to female humans, it is not a stretch of any kind to extend the definition to the asari, and it's not just because of their lovely lady lumps.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 24 août 2010 - 05:48 .

[Tirigon]

Siansonea II wrote...

Baby asari gotta pop out somewhere. I'm pretty sure they don't spring fully-formed from the mommy's forehead.

Probably, but we KNOW that in ME2 it is possible to produce adults from tanks (remember Grunt?) while Children are speculation. Noone has ever seen asari children (except for Liara, who is not really a child in the common meaning).

[Tirigon]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Indeed. They also have belly buttons (source: bachelor party), which suggests they are placental like humans and other mammals. Belly button = umbilical cord. Placental offspring develop inside the mother, which means they need a way out - presumably, a vagina of some kind.

For that matter, Quarians seem to be placental as well, or at least they seem to breast feed.

Not true. The belly button simply means that Asari are supposed to look as human as possible without making them human. Because they exist for the sole purpose of giving humans (mostly males) sexy chicks to stare at.
(Not that I´d complain about that, thoughB))

[PsyrenY]

Siansonea II wrote...

The asari have ONE gender (MONO-gendered), a gender that creates babies inside itself, with a little help from another sapient life form's nervous system. Since the word we use for beings that create babies inside themselves (or lay eggs, or otherwise provide oocytes/eggs) is Female, it follows that the ONE gender the asari display is Female. On earth, we have everything from female plants to female humans, it is not a stretch of any kind to extend the definition to the asari, and it's not just because of their lovely lady lumps.

Agreed. Another measurement - in ME1, Liara says that while asari only have one gender, they possess maternal instincts, and thus usually fill the role of the mother in dual-species pairings.

This is part of her "we seek to understand other species, but few of them seek to understand us" speech.

Tirigon wrote...

Not true. The belly button simply means that Asari are supposed to look as human as possible without making them human. Because they exist for the sole purpose of giving humans (mostly males) sexy chicks to stare at.
(Not that I´d complain about that, thoughB))

I sincerely hope you're joking.

You're saying that, in the past 30 years (less, actually), all asari spontaneously developed an otherwise useless biological construct solely in order to entice the newcomers to the galaxy - a construct that the pre-existing council races neither recognize nor find appealing?

Whatever you're smoking, I could use some.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 24 août 2010 - 06:06 .

[Tirigon]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Not true. The belly button simply means that Asari are supposed to look as human as possible without making them human. Because they exist for the sole purpose of giving humans (mostly males) sexy chicks to stare at.
(Not that I´d complain about that, thoughB))

I sincerely hope you're joking.

You're saying that, in the past 30 years (less, actually), all asari spontaneously developed an otherwise useless biological construct solely in order to entice the newcomers to the galaxy - a construct that the pre-existing council races neither recognize nor find appealing?

Whatever you're smoking, I could use some.

No. My point is that it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER for an alien species to look appealing to humans (actually I think the Hanar are the most "realistic" species). However, Mass Effect is not so much SCIENCE fiction as it is MONEYMAKING fiction. And in THIS genre it makes sense to have a sexy alien race you can stare at.
Sex sells, after all.

Modifié par Tirigon, 24 août 2010 - 06:24 .

[DigitalMonster]

This is an excerpt from the ME1 codx:

"An all-female race, the asari reproduce through a form of parthenogenesis. They can attune their nervous system to that of another individual of any gender, and of any species, to reproduce. This capability has led to unseemly and inaccurate rumors about asari promiscuity."

[PsyrenY]

Tirigon wrote...

No. My point is that it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER for an alien species to look appealing to humans (actually I think the Hanar are the most "realistic" species). However, Mass Effect is not so much SCIENCE fiction as it is MONEYMAKING fiction. And in THIS genre it makes sense to have a sexy alien race you can stare at.
Sex sells, after all.

Why not? Without getting into religion, none of us know ultimately where any of those races came from.

If their appearances are totally random, then they have just as much chance of being pretty as they do hideous.

[Tirigon]

Optimystic_X wrote...


Why not? Without getting into religion, none of us know ultimately where any of those races came from.

If their appearances are totally random, then they have just as much chance of being pretty as they do hideous.

But evolutionary the asari shape is not really useful. Krogan and Hanar make sense in their natural environment, as do elcor and vorcha. (Dunno about Turians and Salarians)

But asari do ONLY have an evolutionary advantage by their shape if they need to f*ck humans. Which is not the case.


Anyway, I still think asari look to each like their own species. After all, at this one Bachelor party BOTH the Turian and even the Salarian says they look like their own species.

[PsyrenY]

Tirigon wrote...

But evolutionary the asari shape is not really useful. Krogan and Hanar make sense in their natural environment, as do elcor and vorcha. (Dunno about Turians and Salarians)

But asari do ONLY have an evolutionary advantage by their shape if they need to f*ck humans. Which is not the case.

That's an oversimplification. By that logic, humans only have the shape we do because we need to f**k humans too. Aside from being circular logic, it also ignores all the other environmental and biological factors that caused us to evolve the way we did.

Tirigon wrote...

Anyway, I still think asari look to each like their own species. After all, at this one Bachelor party BOTH the Turian and even the Salarian says they look like their own species.

If it was really mind control, how did they all see her belly button then? Salarians and Turians don't have them. (The Salarian calls it "that divot in her abdomen.")

The reason they all think she looks like their own species is a reference to the Blind men and the elephant fable.

[Tirigon]

Optimystic_X wrote...


If it was really mind control, how did they all see her belly button then? Salarians and Turians don't have them. (The Salarian calls it "that divot in her abdomen.")

The reason they all think she looks like their own species is a reference to the Blind men and the elephant fable.

Well, slight differences to your own species make them more interesting. That´s why humans see them with tentacles as hair and blue


Thanks for the link anyway. There´s some truth in that fable, though I don´t think it´s applicable on asari. None of the 3 guys was blind:D

[Count Viceroy]

Most speices find them attractive, not just humans. So obviously that form does serve purpose, it attracts genetic material.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 24 août 2010 - 11:42 .

[Tirigon]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Most speices find them attractive, not just humans. So obviously that form does serve purpose, it attracts genetic material.

BUT Turians and especially Salarians are NOT attracted to human forms (unless they have very weird tastes). They are attracted to asari because they see them similar to themselves, not similar to humans.

[Count Viceroy]

Tirigon wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Most speices find them attractive, not just humans. So obviously that form does serve purpose, it attracts genetic material.

BUT Turians and especially Salarians are NOT attracted to human forms (unless they have very weird tastes). They are attracted to asari because they see them similar to themselves, not similar to humans.

Which means its either the tentacles, or the color.

Unless the mindcontrol gag really is more then a gag.

Could be something more subtle too I guess, phermones. Makes sense that a speices that procreates like the asari would have other tricks up their sleve to attract partners than pure looks.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 24 août 2010 - 11:54 .

[PsyrenY]

Tirigon wrote...



Well, slight differences to your own species make them more interesting. That´s why humans see them with tentacles as hair and blue {smilie}

You're grasping at straws {smilie} No, asari do not walk around swathed in illusion like space faeries.

Tirigon wrote...Thanks for the link anyway. There´s some truth in that fable, though I don´t think it´s applicable on asari. None of the 3 guys was blind{smilie}

Of course they were blind - just metaphorically.They focused on the parts of the asari that were similar to themselves (the Turian focused on the head fringe, the Salarian on her flexibility, and the human on her... well, you know) and dismissed everything else. Just as a human who likes asari wouldn't care that they have tentacles on their heads, a turian who likes asari wouldn't care that they have breasts.



This is not to say that asari can't use psychic or neurochemical suggestion to enhance their appeal - the Consort and Morinth probably go that route.

[Poaches]

Mind control eh?

That would explain a lot of things...

even a fugly, detestable asari can force people to like her. And thus, everyone loves the asari, for all the wrong reasons.

Modifié par Poaches, 25 août 2010 - 03:55 .