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[comicfan22]

Please don't go off topic and derail. PLEASE!

[MisterDyslexo]

comicfan22 wrote...

Please don't go off topic and derail. PLEASE!

*anti-derailment bump because i dont know what to say type whatever*

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 26 août 2010 - 01:03 .

[Tirigon]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

comicfan22 wrote...

Please don't go off topic and derail. PLEASE!

*anti-derailment bump because i dont know what to say type whatever*

What about "Give us s/s-romances in ME3!!!!"

I hear that fits very well to the topicB)

[Walrusninja]

Am I the only one here who felt that Kaiden was a bit of a wimpy creep from the beginning:?
Just seeing a lot of support for him, and found myself wondering if I'm alone in my dislike of his character. He seemed a bit sketchy to me. One minute he was like "yar, I'm badass, go on without me!" next, he was just... kind of wimpy : / I always felt like he spent all the time between missions checking his hair, if you get me, seemed a bit dull.

I'd have liked him if he was the devoted soldier stepping up to the front ALL the time, but he wasn't and didn't. Ash could be a right cow hah (ME2 greeting, ouch!) but at least she seemed to know who she was, and I liked all her background stuff. She seemed more fleshed out story-wise to me.

I think it's important, whatever the character background etc. that they're actually consistant. People can change etc. due to events, but Kaiden seemed to change every time I talked to him!. I gave up bringing him on missions after a while. Would've been cool to have a right hand man sort of figure, but Kaiden was about as exciting as a cardboard box. I get the feeling he was meant to be the right hand man though. Miranda was better, but then she took up that role, Kaiden was supposed to fill it from the start, he should've been sturdy..
Our character likes and dislikes define the community in ways. Just seeing if I'm alone:)

Modifié par Walrusninja, 26 août 2010 - 02:01 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Tirigon wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

comicfan22 wrote...

Please don't go off topic and derail. PLEASE!

*anti-derailment bump because i dont know what to say type whatever*

What about "Give us s/s-romances in ME3!!!!"

I hear that fits very well to the topicB)

I never said I was a thinker. Umm.. On the chance that VS is a s/s romance in ME3, how do you think it'll happen? I hope its fairly casual and not an alienating kind of thing

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 26 août 2010 - 02:01 .

[Zal Air]

There is nothing wrong with homosexual love, but I do agree with Bioware stance that Shepard is heterosexual. Not everyone in real life is 100% ******, hetero or bi, Bioware choose one of the three options and choose heterosexual.

Modifié par Zal Air, 26 août 2010 - 02:36 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Walrusninja wrote...

Am I the only one here who felt that Kaiden was a bit of a wimpy creep from the beginning:?
Just seeing a lot of support for him, and found myself wondering if I'm alone in my dislike of his character. He seemed a bit sketchy to me. One minute he was like "yar, I'm badass, go on without me!" next, he was just... kind of wimpy : / I always felt like he spent all the time between missions checking his hair, if you get me, seemed a bit dull.

I'd have liked him if he was the devoted soldier stepping up to the front ALL the time, but he wasn't and didn't. Ash could be a right cow hah (ME2 greeting, ouch!) but at least she seemed to know who she was, and I liked all her background stuff. She seemed more fleshed out story-wise to me.

I think it's important, whatever the character background etc. that they're actually consistant. People can change etc. due to events, but Kaiden seemed to change every time I talked to him!. I gave up bringing him on missions after a while. Would've been cool to have a right hand man sort of figure, but Kaiden was about as exciting as a cardboard box. I get the feeling he was meant to be the right hand man though. Miranda was better, but then she took up that role, Kaiden was supposed to fill it from the start, he should've been sturdy..
Our character likes and dislikes define the community in ways. Just seeing if I'm alone:)

You can actuallu have a lot of influence over his character depending on how you talk to him. Its not done very well, but at least its there. They did it with ashley, although it was a little more subtle. Doesn't seem to happen in ME3 though

[Siansonea]

Walrusninja wrote...

Am I the only one here who felt that Kaiden was a bit of a wimpy creep from the beginning:?
Just seeing a lot of support for him, and found myself wondering if I'm alone in my dislike of his character. He seemed a bit sketchy to me. One minute he was like "yar, I'm badass, go on without me!" next, he was just... kind of wimpy : / I always felt like he spent all the time between missions checking his hair, if you get me, seemed a bit dull.

I'd have liked him if he was the devoted soldier stepping up to the front ALL the time, but he wasn't and didn't. Ash could be a right cow hah (ME2 greeting, ouch!) but at least she seemed to know who she was, and I liked all her background stuff. She seemed more fleshed out story-wise to me.

I think it's important, whatever the character background etc. that they're actually consistant. People can change etc. due to events, but Kaiden seemed to change every time I talked to him!. I gave up bringing him on missions after a while. Would've been cool to have a right hand man sort of figure, but Kaiden was about as exciting as a cardboard box. I get the feeling he was meant to be the right hand man though. Miranda was better, but then she took up that role, Kaiden was supposed to fill it from the start, he should've been sturdy..
Our character likes and dislikes define the community in ways. Just seeing if I'm alone:)

I think Kaidan is actually a very consistent character. He tends to be popular amongst older gamers, and females generally like him. I'm older AND female, so he's actually one of my favorites from ME1. But discussion about Kaidan's character is really not the point of this thread, the Kaidan fan thread is probably where that discussion should take place.

[Siansonea]

Zal Air wrote...

There is nothing wrong with homosexual love, but I do agree with Bioware stance that Shepard is heterosexual. Not everyone in real life is 100% ******, hetero or bi, Bioware choose one of the three options and choose heterosexual.

Do you not find it interesting that so many aspects of Shepard's character are left up to the player to decide, but sexuality is virtually the only personality trait that is not negotiable? Shepard can be any ethnicity, either gender, religious, athiest, an Earth brat, a spacer kid, a colony orphan, a jerk, a saint, and even have relationships with lesbian overtones if Shepard is female. The only door locked in that hallway is the same-sex romance between two males. Funny how all those unique Shepards have so little in common, but somehow none of them are gay or bisexual males. Sorry, but "BioWare wants Shepard to be straight for story reasons" is an invalid argument. As a certain cantankerous turian would say, "we have dismissed that claim".

[MisterDyslexo]

Siansonea II wrote...

Zal Air wrote...

There is nothing wrong with homosexual love, but I do agree with Bioware stance that Shepard is heterosexual. Not everyone in real life is 100% ******, hetero or bi, Bioware choose one of the three options and choose heterosexual.

Do you not find it interesting that so many aspects of Shepard's character are left up to the player to decide, but sexuality is virtually the only personality trait that is not negotiable? Shepard can be any ethnicity, either gender, religious, athiest, an Earth brat, a spacer kid, a colony orphan, a jerk, a saint, and even have relationships with lesbian overtones if Shepard is female. The only door locked in that hallway is the same-sex romance between two males. Funny how all those unique Shepards have so little in common, but somehow none of them are gay or bisexual males. Sorry, but "BioWare wants Shepard to be straight for story reasons" is an invalid argument. As a certain cantankerous turian would say, "we have dismissed that claim".

they're probably a little scared of how Fox News will flay them alive this time if they do a male s/s romance. And it will probably be a deterrent for sales. I mean, how many people are not going to get the game because of a male s/s romance? And how many people would get it for that reason? Its unfortunate that that's the way it has to be Hopefully Bioware will have the guts to do what they wanted to do, a s/s romance in mass effect. I think EA has a bit of hand in all of this, seeing as who buys games like Jade Empire and Dragon Age versus Mass Effect 2

Edit: Fox News note is sarcasm. Anybody who saw those people embarrass themselves talking about it in the news segment and has a brain should realize that

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 26 août 2010 - 08:33 .

[PsyrenY]

Zal Air wrote...

There is nothing wrong with homosexual love, but I do agree with Bioware stance that Shepard is heterosexual. Not everyone in real life is 100% ******, hetero or bi, Bioware choose one of the three options and choose heterosexual.

If that's the case then too bad for them, my Shepard is gay. He just doesn't have anyone to be gay with. (Yet.)

I had no qualms telling Liara and Tali that I wasn't into them, and likely will continue breaking female hearts until the galaxy is overrun.

[Kyzzo]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

they're probably a little scared of how Fox News will flay them alive this time if they do a male s/s romance. And it will probably be a deterrent for sales. I mean, how many people are not going to get the game because of a male s/s romance? And how many people would get it for that reason?

Has it ever been proven that the sensationalization by a news(??) channel, which virtually nobody in the world except for some portion of the TV-watching population of one country where the said news channel exists gives a flying f*** about -if they even know of it-, may have any significant impact (positive or negative) on the sales of a videogame?

[MisterDyslexo]

Kyzzo wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

they're probably a little scared of how Fox News will flay them alive this time if they do a male s/s romance. And it will probably be a deterrent for sales. I mean, how many people are not going to get the game because of a male s/s romance? And how many people would get it for that reason?

Has it ever been proven that the sensationalization by a news(??) channel, which virtually nobody in the world except for some portion of the TV-watching population of one country where the said news channel exists gives a flying f*** about -if they even know of it-, may have any significant impact (positive or negative) on the sales of a videogame?

The news channel part was failed sarasm. Look up Fux news on youtube and you'll know what I mean. However I do believe it would be a deterrent for the people who don't give a **** about plot, which to me and BW is a good thing, but is very bad in the eyes of EA. I don't have anything good to say about EA, so I'll shut-up

[KainrycKarr]

Wasn't the reason because Vanderloo didn't want his likeness associated with homosexuality or something? I could have sworn that came out at some point.

[ArchDemonXIII]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

they're probably a little scared of how Fox News will flay them alive this time if they do a male s/s romance. And it will probably be a deterrent for sales. I mean, how many people are not going to get the game because of a male s/s romance? And how many people would get it for that reason? Its unfortunate that that's the way it has to be Hopefully Bioware will have the guts to do what they wanted to do, a s/s romance in mass effect. I think EA has a bit of hand in all of this, seeing as who buys games like Jade Empire and Dragon Age versus Mass Effect 2

 They shouldn't be. The Fox news debacle helped them move units. Controversy sells. 

 Look at Marilyn Manson. if the Christian right hadn't brought him to mainstream attention, he would've gone the way of ****** (in other words,  some obscure band on NIN/trent reznor's label that would've only sold to hardcore NIN Fans).

Modifié par ArchDemonXIII, 26 août 2010 - 08:30 .

[Wittand25]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Wasn't the reason because Vanderloo didn't want his likeness associated with homosexuality or something? I could have sworn that came out at some point.

 I don't think that this Internet rumor is true for several reasons.
1.) Mr. Vanderloo is not famous enough to make such demands, even a male supermodel is someone totally unknown to the general gamer. So if he made demands regarding game content, Bioware would simply have used another face for standard Shepard.
2.) He is a professional model, so he should be used that his image is used in ways that might not suit his views ( and we don't even know that views anyway)
3.) If you search the web or just the Fight for the Love treads you will find photos of him in what can be considered homoerotic situations, so opposing that a video game character based on his face is seen in similar situations seem ridiculous.

[KainrycKarr]

Wittand25 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Wasn't the reason because Vanderloo didn't want his likeness associated with homosexuality or something? I could have sworn that came out at some point.

 I don't think that this Internet rumor is true for several reasons.
1.) Mr. Vanderloo is not famous enough to make such demands, even a male supermodel is someone totally unknown to the general gamer. So if he made demands regarding game content, Bioware would simply have used another face for standard Shepard.
2.) He is a professional model, so he should be used that his image is used in ways that might not suit his views ( and we don't even know that views anyway)
3.) If you search the web or just the Fight for the Love treads you will find photos of him in what can be considered homoerotic situations, so opposing that a video game character based on his face is seen in similar situations seem ridiculous.

I didn't say I agreed with it. I just thought that ended up being reason, but i couldn't remember if it was official or not.

[ElitePinecone]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Wasn't the reason because Vanderloo didn't want his likeness associated with homosexuality or something? I could have sworn that came out at some point.

That was an internet rumour. There has never been any comment from any credible source supporting it. 

[Kyzzo]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

The news channel part was failed sarasm. Look up Fux news on youtube and you'll know what I mean. However I do believe it would be a deterrent for the people who don't give a **** about plot, which to me and BW is a good thing, but is very bad in the eyes of EA. I don't have anything good to say about EA, so I'll shut-up

Very well. Let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that such contreversy does negatively affect the sales of the game, or any product/service for that matter. Even then, what does the sale numbers of the product in question have to do with what I'd like or not like to see in that product, unless I have vested interest in the supplier's finances?

When I think about the content I'd like to see in a videogame I'm interested in, I do not concern myself with whether such content would affect the sales, whether the developer would have to reallocate the available resources to implement it (What do I know about what resources they have in what amounts, anyway?), whether the implemetation would prolong the development time or whether it would tick off some random strangers somewhere. E.g., that a game might sell 2 million units instead of 2,1 million due to certain content is not at all relevant to why I, personally, do or do not want to see said content in the game. I, the consumer of videogames, have certain expectations, which I believe to be reasonable enough, of the games I pay hard-earned money for. I do not care what reasons or excuses the developers, that is, the suppliers may come up with for choosing not to fulfill some or all of those expectations.

When somebody says "I do not want ME to have s/s relationships because I do not approve of homosexuality," I can respect that. I don't like it, but at least it's an honest statement of a personal reason. However, when somebody throws around arguments as to sales numbers, resource allocation, Faux News etc., the cynical grump in me wakes up and starts suspecting that that person is simply too much of a chicken to express his/her personal opinions and is hiding behind a pile of red herrings (Present company excluded; as our good old Kaidan would say.)

[MisterDyslexo]

Kyzzo wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

The news channel part was failed sarasm. Look up Fux news on youtube and you'll know what I mean. However I do believe it would be a deterrent for the people who don't give a **** about plot, which to me and BW is a good thing, but is very bad in the eyes of EA. I don't have anything good to say about EA, so I'll shut-up

Very well. Let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that such contreversy does negatively affect the sales of the game, or any product/service for that matter. Even then, what does the sale numbers of the product in question have to do with what I'd like or not like to see in that product, unless I have vested interest in the supplier's finances?

When I think about the content I'd like to see in a videogame I'm interested in, I do not concern myself with whether such content would affect the sales, whether the developer would have to reallocate the available resources to implement it (What do I know about what resources they have in what amounts, anyway?), whether the implemetation would prolong the development time or whether it would tick off some random strangers somewhere. E.g., that a game might sell 2 million units instead of 2,1 million due to certain content is not at all relevant to why I, personally, do or do not want to see said content in the game. I, the consumer of videogames, have certain expectations, which I believe to be reasonable enough, of the games I pay hard-earned money for. I do not care what reasons or excuses the developers, that is, the suppliers may come up with for choosing not to fulfill some or all of those expectations.

When somebody says "I do not want ME to have s/s relationships because I do not approve of homosexuality," I can respect that. I don't like it, but at least it's an honest statement of a personal reason. However, when somebody throws around arguments as to sales numbers, resource allocation, Faux News etc., the cynical grump in me wakes up and starts suspecting that that person is simply too much of a chicken to express his/her personal opinions and is hiding behind a pile of red herrings (Present company excluded; as our good old Kaidan would say.)

I'm all for s/s romances, and they were supposed to be in both the mass effect games, but got scrapped. I think that BW's overlord EA is probably butting in somehow because they want to make as much profit as possible, no matter how much the developers hate them for what they do to the games. These reasons are why EA probably won't allow it. If they were sure it would've boosted sales, they'd be all for it.

[KainrycKarr]

ElitePinecone wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Wasn't the reason because Vanderloo didn't want his likeness associated with homosexuality or something? I could have sworn that came out at some point.

That was an internet rumour. There has never been any comment from any credible source supporting it. 

Ah okay.

[Tirigon]

Walrusninja wrote...

Am I the only one here who felt that Kaiden was a bit of a wimpy creep from the beginning:?
Just seeing a lot of support for him, and found myself wondering if I'm alone in my dislike of his character.

No you aren´t. I found him boring (though not quite as bad as Jacob:pinched:).

[Tirigon]

Zal Air wrote...

There is nothing wrong with homosexual love, but I do agree with Bioware stance that Shepard is heterosexual. Not everyone in real life is 100% ******, hetero or bi, Bioware choose one of the three options and choose heterosexual.

However that´s not the BioWare stance. The BioWare stance is "There is NO canon. You play Shepard as YOU like".

It is a different matter that they don´t live up to that ideal, though.....

[Tirigon]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

I mean, how many people are not going to get the game because of a male s/s romance?

Noone.
Homophobes are like fascists in that aspect: Big mouth, but in the end they do what they´re told and if they´re told the game is good they´ll get it. They won´t do anything against it simply because they don´t have the balls to do it.

[CShep25]

Tirigon wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

I mean, how many people are not going to get the game because of a male s/s romance?

Noone.
Homophobes are like fascists in that aspect: Big mouth, but in the end they do what they´re told and if they´re told the game is good they´ll get it. They won´t do anything against it simply because they don´t have the balls to do it.

Purely for the sake of argument, Hitler would like to have a word with you.

He did have at least one ball...