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[Siansonea]

jedishephard wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

jedishephard wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

jedishephard wrote...

explain please

It sold. As in, people exchanged money for it and took it home. A good number of those people were straight.

It also sold well enough to encourage DLC, and expansion pack, and a sequel.

Sir, isn't that a moot point? the game was not advertised as having s/s romances right? same with Mass Effect, right? I have a question for you..Why does Bioware have to include the option of S/S in every single game they create? All I am saying that it SEEMS that the exclusion of s/s didn't hurt/help the game

Why include it? Because they can, and there are people who want it. Including it takes nothing away from people who don't want it, since it is simply an option that can be ignored if the player chooses. If it has no effect on sales, there's no reason NOT to include it.

but that doesnt explain why they should though. People want a lot of things included in the game what makes this any better than those other things? just wondering 

Some of those other things should probably be developed and distributed also. No one here is saying "we want same-sex content, and don't develop anything else people ask for, just what we want".

Modifié par Siansonea II, 27 août 2010 - 09:05 .

[grim_reaper_13]

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Well i will sound like a hater but i dont want a homosexiual romance for Shepard ( male or female )
in Mass Effect 3.For me it just doesn't feel quite right.I din't have a problem with it in Dragon Age : Origins (Zevran for Male Warden , Leliana fro Female Warden ). I mean how are they gonna explain Shepard goin from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a matter of months probably from what we have heard.
Also i would like to say that i don't see the Liara romance in Mass Effect 1 as a homosexual - lesbian relationship if you have a female Shepard.Because she isnt a woman.
Last but not least i would like to say that i am not against homosexuality in video-games (well unless its a in your face kind gayness "oh look at me im fabulous and i love lady gaga").

And now we're back on the "but Shepard can't suddenly be GAY?!" portion of the endless loop. There are people out there who are bisexual. They might have a romance with a woman for awhile, then date a man, then go back to women. It's for real, y'all. Shepard wouldn't "suddenly be gay", he or she would simply be bisexual. Of course some Shepard's passed on romance altogether in the first two games because they ARE gay and didn't have any romance options that were appropriate for them. Just because YOUR Shepards aren't gay doesn't mean no one else's is.

Well i cant comment on the endless loop thing.But even if he was bi he doent show any sexual interest to any of the male or female ( if Shepard is a woman ) crew members squadmates thats what i mean.

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Well i will sound like a hater but i dont want a homosexiual romance for Shepard ( male or female )
in Mass Effect 3.For me it just doesn't feel quite right.I din't have a problem with it in Dragon Age : Origins (Zevran for Male Warden , Leliana fro Female Warden ). I mean how are they gonna explain Shepard goin from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a matter of months probably from what we have heard.
Also i would like to say that i don't see the Liara romance in Mass Effect 1 as a homosexual - lesbian relationship if you have a female Shepard.Because she isnt a woman.
Last but not least i would like to say that i am not against homosexuality in video-games (well unless its a in your face kind gayness "oh look at me im fabulous and i love lady gaga").

And now we're back on the "but Shepard can't suddenly be GAY?!" portion of the endless loop. There are people out there who are bisexual. They might have a romance with a woman for awhile, then date a man, then go back to women. It's for real, y'all. Shepard wouldn't "suddenly be gay", he or she would simply be bisexual. Of course some Shepard's passed on romance altogether in the first two games because they ARE gay and didn't have any romance options that were appropriate for them. Just because YOUR Shepards aren't gay doesn't mean no one else's is.

Well i cant comment on the endless loop thing.But even if he was bi he doent show any sexual interest to any of the male or female ( if Shepard is a woman ) crew members squadmates thats what i mean.

This doesn't contraindicate bisexual leanings. What's Shepard going to do, go around whistling at all the hot dudes and slapping them on the ass? The absence of expression does not equal the absense of desire. Some people just aren't that overt. 

Don't forget, Shepard was on an Alliance vessel in ME1, and fraternization regs were a constant source of concern in the opposite-sex human romances, it may have been enough to make a Shepard interested in a same-sex partner to put the idea out of his/her mind. There are a number of reasons why Shepard would have chosen not to express same-sex interest in the previous two games, but that doesn't mean the interest doesn't exist.

[Chippetg]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Well i will sound like a hater but i dont want a homosexiual romance for Shepard ( male or female )
in Mass Effect 3.For me it just doesn't feel quite right.I din't have a problem with it in Dragon Age : Origins (Zevran for Male Warden , Leliana fro Female Warden ). I mean how are they gonna explain Shepard goin from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a matter of months probably from what we have heard.
Also i would like to say that i don't see the Liara romance in Mass Effect 1 as a homosexual - lesbian relationship if you have a female Shepard.Because she isnt a woman.
Last but not least i would like to say that i am not against homosexuality in video-games (well unless its a in your face kind gayness "oh look at me im fabulous and i love lady gaga").

And now we're back on the "but Shepard can't suddenly be GAY?!" portion of the endless loop. There are people out there who are bisexual. They might have a romance with a woman for awhile, then date a man, then go back to women. It's for real, y'all. Shepard wouldn't "suddenly be gay", he or she would simply be bisexual. Of course some Shepard's passed on romance altogether in the first two games because they ARE gay and didn't have any romance options that were appropriate for them. Just because YOUR Shepards aren't gay doesn't mean no one else's is.

Well i cant comment on the endless loop thing.But even if he was bi he doent show any sexual interest to any of the male or female ( if Shepard is a woman ) crew members squadmates thats what i mean.

Possibly, but:
Male - After rejecting four super-sexy-females (or super-sexy-female-looking-aliens), and a Space Geek with a kicking body, one would suspect that he just doesn't like women. Plus, every had a ManShep and saved Kaidan? The conversations afterwards suggest way too much.

Female - The asari. Now, it may not be lesbian in theory, but the human involved must be definately interested in women. For example, I'm a gay guy and I don't find the asari bodies attractive, because they're female.  I'm guessing a straight woman would not either. Liara may not count it as gay, but FemShep definately would.

[grim_reaper_13]

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Well i will sound like a hater but i dont want a homosexiual romance for Shepard ( male or female )
in Mass Effect 3.For me it just doesn't feel quite right.I din't have a problem with it in Dragon Age : Origins (Zevran for Male Warden , Leliana fro Female Warden ). I mean how are they gonna explain Shepard goin from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a matter of months probably from what we have heard.
Also i would like to say that i don't see the Liara romance in Mass Effect 1 as a homosexual - lesbian relationship if you have a female Shepard.Because she isnt a woman.
Last but not least i would like to say that i am not against homosexuality in video-games (well unless its a in your face kind gayness "oh look at me im fabulous and i love lady gaga").

And now we're back on the "but Shepard can't suddenly be GAY?!" portion of the endless loop. There are people out there who are bisexual. They might have a romance with a woman for awhile, then date a man, then go back to women. It's for real, y'all. Shepard wouldn't "suddenly be gay", he or she would simply be bisexual. Of course some Shepard's passed on romance altogether in the first two games because they ARE gay and didn't have any romance options that were appropriate for them. Just because YOUR Shepards aren't gay doesn't mean no one else's is.

Well i cant comment on the endless loop thing.But even if he was bi he doent show any sexual interest to any of the male or female ( if Shepard is a woman ) crew members squadmates thats what i mean.

This doesn't contraindicate bisexual leanings. What's Shepard going to do, go around whistling at all the hot dudes and slapping them on the ass? The absence of expression does not equal the absense of desire. Some people just aren't that overt. 

Don't forget, Shepard was on an Alliance vessel in ME1, and fraternization regs were a constant source of concern in the opposite-sex human romances, it may have been enough to make a Shepard interested in a same-sex partner to put the idea out of his/her mind. There are a number of reasons why Shepard would have chosen not to express same-sex interest in the previous two games, but that doesn't mean the interest doesn't exist.

So Shepard from a total of lets say 10 potential love interests isnt attracted to anyone?Also what are the reasons you mention?I can understand about ME1 because he is on a Allaince ship as you say and could be afraid (although i really doubt it i mean you take on Geth Reapers Thorian Creepers Rachni and God knows what else and he/shhe is afraid of some rules?? )

[grim_reaper_13]

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Well i will sound like a hater but i dont want a homosexiual romance for Shepard ( male or female )
in Mass Effect 3.For me it just doesn't feel quite right.I din't have a problem with it in Dragon Age : Origins (Zevran for Male Warden , Leliana fro Female Warden ). I mean how are they gonna explain Shepard goin from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a matter of months probably from what we have heard.
Also i would like to say that i don't see the Liara romance in Mass Effect 1 as a homosexual - lesbian relationship if you have a female Shepard.Because she isnt a woman.
Last but not least i would like to say that i am not against homosexuality in video-games (well unless its a in your face kind gayness "oh look at me im fabulous and i love lady gaga").

And now we're back on the "but Shepard can't suddenly be GAY?!" portion of the endless loop. There are people out there who are bisexual. They might have a romance with a woman for awhile, then date a man, then go back to women. It's for real, y'all. Shepard wouldn't "suddenly be gay", he or she would simply be bisexual. Of course some Shepard's passed on romance altogether in the first two games because they ARE gay and didn't have any romance options that were appropriate for them. Just because YOUR Shepards aren't gay doesn't mean no one else's is.

Well i cant comment on the endless loop thing.But even if he was bi he doent show any sexual interest to any of the male or female ( if Shepard is a woman ) crew members squadmates thats what i mean.

Possibly, but:
Male - After rejecting four super-sexy-females (or super-sexy-female-looking-aliens), and a Space Geek with a kicking body, one would suspect that he just doesn't like women. Plus, every had a ManShep and saved Kaidan? The conversations afterwards suggest way too much.

Female - The asari. Now, it may not be lesbian in theory, but the human involved must be definately interested in women. For example, I'm a gay guy and I don't find the asari bodies attractive, because they're female.  I'm guessing a straight woman would not either. Liara may not count it as gay, but FemShep definately would.

Well actually Asari are monogendered there are no males or females although they do look like Human Females they are not

[Chippetg]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Well i will sound like a hater but i dont want a homosexiual romance for Shepard ( male or female )
in Mass Effect 3.For me it just doesn't feel quite right.I din't have a problem with it in Dragon Age : Origins (Zevran for Male Warden , Leliana fro Female Warden ). I mean how are they gonna explain Shepard goin from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a matter of months probably from what we have heard.
Also i would like to say that i don't see the Liara romance in Mass Effect 1 as a homosexual - lesbian relationship if you have a female Shepard.Because she isnt a woman.
Last but not least i would like to say that i am not against homosexuality in video-games (well unless its a in your face kind gayness "oh look at me im fabulous and i love lady gaga").

And now we're back on the "but Shepard can't suddenly be GAY?!" portion of the endless loop. There are people out there who are bisexual. They might have a romance with a woman for awhile, then date a man, then go back to women. It's for real, y'all. Shepard wouldn't "suddenly be gay", he or she would simply be bisexual. Of course some Shepard's passed on romance altogether in the first two games because they ARE gay and didn't have any romance options that were appropriate for them. Just because YOUR Shepards aren't gay doesn't mean no one else's is.

Well i cant comment on the endless loop thing.But even if he was bi he doent show any sexual interest to any of the male or female ( if Shepard is a woman ) crew members squadmates thats what i mean.

Possibly, but:
Male - After rejecting four super-sexy-females (or super-sexy-female-looking-aliens), and a Space Geek with a kicking body, one would suspect that he just doesn't like women. Plus, every had a ManShep and saved Kaidan? The conversations afterwards suggest way too much.

Female - The asari. Now, it may not be lesbian in theory, but the human involved must be definately interested in women. For example, I'm a gay guy and I don't find the asari bodies attractive, because they're female.  I'm guessing a straight woman would not either. Liara may not count it as gay, but FemShep definately would.

Well actually Asari are monogendered there are no males or females although they do look like Human Females they are not

Yes, they look like human females. So for a human female to be attracted to one, they would have to like human females, correct?

In other news, I like you. At least you're honest and not trollish

[kalle90]

Siansonea II wrote...
It's funny, people want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to have the options that appeal to them, but want to limit the options that only appeal to others. Heaven forbid some N7 mission to turn on a glorified light switch gets cut so that a sizable group of players have a romance option they want. That N7 mission was important! My Shepard needs to turn on that light switch!

It's about balance. If you give everyone something everyone will probably be left with very little (ironically many think ME2 isn't a really good RPG, but it isn't that good action game either) or the other extreme is that you have completely linear story. And that's exactly what this thread is about. I don't want to sacrifice my experience so some people can have their gay/bi romances. People fight for what they want

The relationships have been really shallow to begin with and expanding it is just asking for more trouble. For me it's "Improved straight relationships vs. weaker all relationships" and that's a no-brainer. 

If Bioware can do it all without sacrificing other stuff I'm all for it, but I'm just finding reasons why it might and should not happen. Still, like you said Bioware knows best and if they really can do it then they should do it. Just makes me wonder why the previous MEs didn't have them

[grim_reaper_13]

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Well i will sound like a hater but i dont want a homosexiual romance for Shepard ( male or female )
in Mass Effect 3.For me it just doesn't feel quite right.I din't have a problem with it in Dragon Age : Origins (Zevran for Male Warden , Leliana fro Female Warden ). I mean how are they gonna explain Shepard goin from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a matter of months probably from what we have heard.
Also i would like to say that i don't see the Liara romance in Mass Effect 1 as a homosexual - lesbian relationship if you have a female Shepard.Because she isnt a woman.
Last but not least i would like to say that i am not against homosexuality in video-games (well unless its a in your face kind gayness "oh look at me im fabulous and i love lady gaga").

And now we're back on the "but Shepard can't suddenly be GAY?!" portion of the endless loop. There are people out there who are bisexual. They might have a romance with a woman for awhile, then date a man, then go back to women. It's for real, y'all. Shepard wouldn't "suddenly be gay", he or she would simply be bisexual. Of course some Shepard's passed on romance altogether in the first two games because they ARE gay and didn't have any romance options that were appropriate for them. Just because YOUR Shepards aren't gay doesn't mean no one else's is.

Well i cant comment on the endless loop thing.But even if he was bi he doent show any sexual interest to any of the male or female ( if Shepard is a woman ) crew members squadmates thats what i mean.

Possibly, but:
Male - After rejecting four super-sexy-females (or super-sexy-female-looking-aliens), and a Space Geek with a kicking body, one would suspect that he just doesn't like women. Plus, every had a ManShep and saved Kaidan? The conversations afterwards suggest way too much.

Female - The asari. Now, it may not be lesbian in theory, but the human involved must be definately interested in women. For example, I'm a gay guy and I don't find the asari bodies attractive, because they're female.  I'm guessing a straight woman would not either. Liara may not count it as gay, but FemShep definately would.

Well actually Asari are monogendered there are no males or females although they do look like Human Females they are not

Yes, they look like human females. So for a human female to be attracted to one, they would have to like human females, correct?

In other news, I like you. At least you're honest and not trollish

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

[Chippetg]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

[grim_reaper_13]

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

[Poaches]

oh hey, retroactive argument *again*; by that logic, tali and garrus should've never been added for ME2 in the first place because shep never showed interest in ME.

Should OP be updated or its a waste of effort since no one bothers to read it?

Modifié par Poaches, 27 août 2010 - 09:44 .

[Chippetg]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

As I said before - saving Kaidan as a male. The post-Virmire speeches and the body language suggests that Shepard is interested in Kaidan.

Plus, sexuality is fluid. It can be consistant or change throughout a lifetim. For example, somebody who's straight can develop feelings for somebody of the same sex. Alternatively, a homosexual person could fall for somebody of the opposite sex. Why can't Shepard be like this?

EDIT: Or what Poaches said

Modifié par Chippetg, 27 août 2010 - 09:43 .

[Cootie]

kalle90 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
It's funny, people want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to have the options that appeal to them, but want to limit the options that only appeal to others. Heaven forbid some N7 mission to turn on a glorified light switch gets cut so that a sizable group of players have a romance option they want. That N7 mission was important! My Shepard needs to turn on that light switch!

It's about balance. If you give everyone something everyone will probably be left with very little (ironically many think ME2 isn't a really good RPG, but it isn't that good action game either) or the other extreme is that you have completely linear story. And that's exactly what this thread is about. I don't want to sacrifice my experience so some people can have their gay/bi romances. People fight for what they want

The relationships have been really shallow to begin with and expanding it is just asking for more trouble. For me it's "Improved straight relationships vs. weaker all relationships" and that's a no-brainer. 

If Bioware can do it all without sacrificing other stuff I'm all for it, but I'm just finding reasons why it might and should not happen. Still, like you said Bioware knows best and if they really can do it then they should do it. Just makes me wonder why the previous MEs didn't have them

I hereby announce that your arguments are complete bollocks, sir, with all due respect.
ME-2 had the most romances of any Bioware game, like, evurr. And that's three per gender, six in total. Eight counting the non-sexual(ish) encounters.
Straight MaleShep -  Tali, Jack, Samara.
Straight FemShep - Jacob, Thane, Garrus.
Gay MaleShep - "What is love? Baby, don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. No more."~
Gay FemShep - Samara/Morinth, Kelly.

So, basically, instead of there being two straight LIs for each gender and one gay mate for each gender, which equals to six total, you have three straight ones each.
Now, if your argument is reduced to "No, I don't want to share, I want them all to be straight and be mine." I have to say you're very selfish.

Modifié par Cootie, 27 août 2010 - 09:43 .

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Well i will sound like a hater but i dont want a homosexiual romance for Shepard ( male or female )
in Mass Effect 3.For me it just doesn't feel quite right.I din't have a problem with it in Dragon Age : Origins (Zevran for Male Warden , Leliana fro Female Warden ). I mean how are they gonna explain Shepard goin from a heterosexual to a homosexual in a matter of months probably from what we have heard.
Also i would like to say that i don't see the Liara romance in Mass Effect 1 as a homosexual - lesbian relationship if you have a female Shepard.Because she isnt a woman.
Last but not least i would like to say that i am not against homosexuality in video-games (well unless its a in your face kind gayness "oh look at me im fabulous and i love lady gaga").

And now we're back on the "but Shepard can't suddenly be GAY?!" portion of the endless loop. There are people out there who are bisexual. They might have a romance with a woman for awhile, then date a man, then go back to women. It's for real, y'all. Shepard wouldn't "suddenly be gay", he or she would simply be bisexual. Of course some Shepard's passed on romance altogether in the first two games because they ARE gay and didn't have any romance options that were appropriate for them. Just because YOUR Shepards aren't gay doesn't mean no one else's is.

Well i cant comment on the endless loop thing.But even if he was bi he doent show any sexual interest to any of the male or female ( if Shepard is a woman ) crew members squadmates thats what i mean.

Possibly, but:
Male - After rejecting four super-sexy-females (or super-sexy-female-looking-aliens), and a Space Geek with a kicking body, one would suspect that he just doesn't like women. Plus, every had a ManShep and saved Kaidan? The conversations afterwards suggest way too much.

Female - The asari. Now, it may not be lesbian in theory, but the human involved must be definately interested in women. For example, I'm a gay guy and I don't find the asari bodies attractive, because they're female.  I'm guessing a straight woman would not either. Liara may not count it as gay, but FemShep definately would.

Well actually Asari are monogendered there are no males or females although they do look like Human Females they are not

Ah, and now we're back to the "Asari aren't female" loop of the endless ourobouros that is this thread. Asari have babies, they are female. Mono-gendered does not mean non-gendered or neuter. Non-gendered or neuter individuals do not participate in reproduction, asari do reproduce. They are female. Really, all of this stems from Liara's "I'm not exactly a woman" remark. A woman is a female HUMAN. She is NOT saying she isn't FEMALE.

[Siansonea]

kalle90 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
It's funny, people want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to have the options that appeal to them, but want to limit the options that only appeal to others. Heaven forbid some N7 mission to turn on a glorified light switch gets cut so that a sizable group of players have a romance option they want. That N7 mission was important! My Shepard needs to turn on that light switch!

It's about balance. If you give everyone something everyone will probably be left with very little (ironically many think ME2 isn't a really good RPG, but it isn't that good action game either) or the other extreme is that you have completely linear story. And that's exactly what this thread is about. I don't want to sacrifice my experience so some people can have their gay/bi romances. People fight for what they want

The relationships have been really shallow to begin with and expanding it is just asking for more trouble. For me it's "Improved straight relationships vs. weaker all relationships" and that's a no-brainer. 

If Bioware can do it all without sacrificing other stuff I'm all for it, but I'm just finding reasons why it might and should not happen. Still, like you said Bioware knows best and if they really can do it then they should do it. Just makes me wonder why the previous MEs didn't have them

We'll never know the real reason they were omitted from the first two games. That topic only leads to well-worn tracks that lead straight to a dead end.

Thing is, I agree with you that they should not sacrifice quality for quantity, which is what appears to have happened in ME2. I would like better romance and non-romance interaction, and if that means fewer options, so be it. It would be nice if some of those options were available for a Shepard of either gender, which could be accomplished with relatively little trouble (like the Liara romance in ME1). Of course in a perfect world we would have quality AND quantity, and everyone would get what they want, even the people who just want the Tali romance.

[grim_reaper_13]

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

As I said before - saving Kaidan as a male. The post-Virmire speeches and the body language suggests that Shepard is interested in Kaidan.

Plus, sexuality is fluid. It can be consistant or change throughout a lifetim. For example, somebody who's straight can develop feelings for somebody of the same sex. Alternatively, a homosexual person could fall for somebody of the opposite sex. Why can't Shepard be like this?

EDIT: Or what Poaches said

Well truth be told i never did notice  that and i did save Kaidan quite a few time as male Shep (mostly when i want to romance Liara just to be sure it doen't get screwed up <_<).
And just to repeat my self. I dont want Shepard to become all of a sudden a homosexual.But i din't have a problem with the subject in DA : O and will not object it if it is implemented in a future Mass Effect game as long as it isn't Shepard's story.
And i stand by my reasons that if Shepard didnt stright up express interest for a homosexual bisexual relationship it shouldnt be implemented in the third game

[Poaches]

So.. technically speaking... -does mordin count?



People tend to refer to samara more often though.

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

Well, all I can say is ME3 is going to be really boring for me if Shepard simply does the same things he/she did in the first two games. It's like you're saying that there is nothing left for us to discover about Shepard, he/she is completely engraved in stone at this point. I'd like to think BioWare won't go this route.

[kalle90]

Cootie wrote...
So, basically, instead of there being two straight LIs for each gender and one gay mate for each gender, which equals to six total, you have three straight ones each.
Now, if your argument is reduced to "No, I don't want to share, I want them all to be straight and be mine." I have to say you're very selfish.

Actually I didn't think about it that way. Only that there would be more people around, which would still be required if all our old squadmates follow into ME3 and don't suddenly change their tastes or that most people would be bis with 2 sets of dialogue

I stand corrected, changing a couple of teammates gay wouldn't hurt, although dividing resources is still a point to consider with every aspect of the game

[Chippetg]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

As I said before - saving Kaidan as a male. The post-Virmire speeches and the body language suggests that Shepard is interested in Kaidan.

Plus, sexuality is fluid. It can be consistant or change throughout a lifetim. For example, somebody who's straight can develop feelings for somebody of the same sex. Alternatively, a homosexual person could fall for somebody of the opposite sex. Why can't Shepard be like this?

EDIT: Or what Poaches said

Well truth be told i never did notice  that and i did save Kaidan quite a few time as male Shep (mostly when i want to romance Liara just to be sure it doen't get screwed up <_<).
And just to repeat my self. I dont want Shepard to become all of a sudden a homosexual.But i din't have a problem with the subject in DA : O and will not object it if it is implemented in a future Mass Effect game as long as it isn't Shepard's story.
And i stand by my reasons that if Shepard didnt stright up express interest for a homosexual bisexual relationship it shouldnt be implemented in the third game

Fair enough on the Kaidan bit. Maybe I was just desperate?
And I do agree with you, to some extent. I would love it in Mass Effect games that aren't about Shep, as I'd rather they focus on the story and the many outcomes of all the choices and stuff than more romance options. We have a good selection now to fit all preferences...
Well, except gay males. Kinda sucks that. :/

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

As I said before - saving Kaidan as a male. The post-Virmire speeches and the body language suggests that Shepard is interested in Kaidan.

Plus, sexuality is fluid. It can be consistant or change throughout a lifetim. For example, somebody who's straight can develop feelings for somebody of the same sex. Alternatively, a homosexual person could fall for somebody of the opposite sex. Why can't Shepard be like this?

EDIT: Or what Poaches said

Well truth be told i never did notice  that and i did save Kaidan quite a few time as male Shep (mostly when i want to romance Liara just to be sure it doen't get screwed up <_<).
And just to repeat my self. I dont want Shepard to become all of a sudden a homosexual.But i din't have a problem with the subject in DA : O and will not object it if it is implemented in a future Mass Effect game as long as it isn't Shepard's story.
And i stand by my reasons that if Shepard didnt stright up express interest for a homosexual bisexual relationship it shouldnt be implemented in the third game

Hello? Is this thing on? Did you even read my previous posts? *taps microphone repeatedly*

[zvbxrpl]

See, when the stages of life have names like "maiden" and "matriarch," and female pronouns are used, it's hard to argue that the Asari don't see themselves as female at least in some capacity. The only male term they use is "father," and that is actually accurate--it is the parent that does not bear the child, but impregnates the one who does. Besides, look at your average Asari. Can you genuinely imagine a straight woman or gay man wanting to have sex with a person that looks like a human woman, but blue?

[illerianna]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

As I said before - saving Kaidan as a male. The post-Virmire speeches and the body language suggests that Shepard is interested in Kaidan.

Plus, sexuality is fluid. It can be consistant or change throughout a lifetim. For example, somebody who's straight can develop feelings for somebody of the same sex. Alternatively, a homosexual person could fall for somebody of the opposite sex. Why can't Shepard be like this?

EDIT: Or what Poaches said

Well truth be told i never did notice  that and i did save Kaidan quite a few time as male Shep (mostly when i want to romance Liara just to be sure it doen't get screwed up <_<).
And just to repeat my self. I dont want Shepard to become all of a sudden a homosexual.But i din't have a problem with the subject in DA : O and will not object it if it is implemented in a future Mass Effect game as long as it isn't Shepard's story.
And i stand by my reasons that if Shepard didnt stright up express interest for a homosexual bisexual relationship it shouldnt be implemented in the third game

Why aren't you protesting Garrus/Tali romances? They weren't in the first game, nor could we show interest in them.

[grim_reaper_13]

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

Well, all I can say is ME3 is going to be really boring for me if Shepard simply does the same things he/she did in the first two games. It's like you're saying that there is nothing left for us to discover about Shepard, he/she is completely engraved in stone at this point. I'd like to think BioWare won't go this route.

But if he/she suddenly starts to do stuff he/she didn't do before it isn't discovering things about Shepard its redifing a character.Also what about the dialogues?If i have a male Shep and i want a bromance with Garrus (like the 1st and 2nd game) how does one distinct the dialogue options to keep it friendly.Dont really want to have a buzz off Shep i hate you for mis-leading me or something like that.