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[Chippetg]

Poaches wrote...

So.. technically speaking... -does mordin count?

People tend to refer to samara more often though.

Y'know, I was thinking about this the other day.
Especially if you pick the neutral option. Shepard looks rather disappointed.

[illerianna]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Chippetg wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Hmm not necessarily.The female Shepard could be attracted to Liara's character and not only her looks or the fact that she resembles a woman.Although if i have to categorize it i would call it more like bi-Allien or something like that

Okay then.
So, in theory, a male Shepard may be interested in, say, Thane because he's not human and has a personality he likes?

Yes but unlike Female Shep with Liara Male Shep doesn't EVER show absolutely any romantic or sexual interest for a male squadmate or crew member.
This is my main problem if they decide to implement it in Mass Effect 3.

Well, all I can say is ME3 is going to be really boring for me if Shepard simply does the same things he/she did in the first two games. It's like you're saying that there is nothing left for us to discover about Shepard, he/she is completely engraved in stone at this point. I'd like to think BioWare won't go this route.

But if he/she suddenly starts to do stuff he/she didn't do before it isn't discovering things about Shepard its redifing a character.Also what about the dialogues?If i have a male Shep and i want a bromance with Garrus (like the 1st and 2nd game) how does one distinct the dialogue options to keep it friendly.Dont really want to have a buzz off Shep i hate you for mis-leading me or something like that.

No, not like the first game. First game you were Garrus' mentor, and Tali was a quarian wikipedia. There was no hint of romance at all, the inclusion of it in game two was pure fanservice. If they can put resources into that, they can have a s/s romance.

[Cootie]

kalle90 wrote...

Cootie wrote...
So, basically, instead of there being two straight LIs for each gender and one gay mate for each gender, which equals to six total, you have three straight ones each.
Now, if your argument is reduced to "No, I don't want to share, I want them all to be straight and be mine." I have to say you're very selfish.

Actually I didn't think about it that way. Only that there would be more people around, which would still be required if all our old squadmates follow into ME3 and don't suddenly change their tastes or that most people would be bis with 2 sets of dialogue

I stand corrected, changing a couple of teammates gay wouldn't hurt, although dividing resources is still a point to consider with every aspect of the game

So instead of running for the "AMAGAD THE GAYS ARE TAKING OVER!"-camp, you could've just said "It's not high on my priority-list, but if Bioware manages, I wouldn't object."

Besides, what's wrong about characters coming out of the closet in the third installment? It took Tali and Garrus two games to be charmed by our American Action Hero, but pfoof. There you go.
If it's well-rounded and explained properly, I wouldn't mind at all.

[Poaches]

Chippetg wrote...

Poaches wrote...

So.. technically speaking... -does mordin count?

People tend to refer to samara more often though.

Y'know, I was thinking about this the other day.
Especially if you pick the neutral option. Shepard looks rather disappointed.

Easily missed dialogue I suppose ? Doesn't get mentioned ever.

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Speaking of virtual closets; there's virtually no information on sexuality of the aliens.. so its really up in the air ya know ?

Other than asari, but really; given how the asari works, they could reproduce with a common fruit fly if they wanted to.

Modifié par Poaches, 27 août 2010 - 10:09 .

[grim_reaper_13]

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

[burrito]

Well for all the gays wanting gay romances in Alliance military I'm sure they'll still have the "don't ask don't tell policy." Idk what China and Russia would think.

[Poaches]

And I'm asking mordin and samara doesn't count why ?

[illerianna]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Shep doesn't express interest in Tali/Garrus during the first game, yet here we are. Your argument is flawed. Have you read nothing that has been posted in this thread... Ever?

[grim_reaper_13]

Poaches wrote...

And I'm asking mordin and samara doesn't count why ?

That just feels wrong man.It would be like romancing a 80 year old :sick:

[Poaches]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Poaches wrote...

And I'm asking mordin and samara doesn't count why ?

That just feels wrong man.It would be like romancing a 80 year old :sick:

so it has nothing to do with what shep has expressed; rather, you just don't like it. 

case closed.

[Chippetg]

burrito wrote...

Well for all the gays wanting gay romances in Alliance military I'm sure they'll still have the "don't ask don't tell policy." Idk what China and Russia would think.

You do realise that only the American military have that policy, and (I heard, don't hold me on this) that this law might be abolished in the near future.

The Alliance isn't the American military, and it's the future. Homosexuals will most likely be able to serve openly, like in many countries.

[Cootie]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

YOUR Shepard didn't express interest in one.
Other people's Shepards have gone through the game without a single romance, simply because the game mechanics didn't allow them. Some people have modified their game files to allow some Kaidan-romancing.

Besides, with the female Shepard being able to make people preggers, I'd say homosexuality is already in your Mass Effect.

[grim_reaper_13]

illerianna wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Shep doesn't express interest in Tali/Garrus during the first game, yet here we are. Your argument is flawed. Have you read nothing that has been posted in this thread... Ever?

Yes but both Tali and Garrus basically idolize the ground Shep walks on.Also i believe Shep is kind of new to the whole Alien romance thing in the first game.Anyways Tali and Garrus are fanservices.
Also i am not actually making an arguement but its more of an expression of a personal opinion.

[grim_reaper_13]

Cootie wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

YOUR Shepard didn't express interest in one.
Other people's Shepards have gone through the game without a single romance, simply because the game mechanics didn't allow them. Some people have modified their game files to allow some Kaidan-romancing.

Besides, with the female Shepard being able to make people preggers, I'd say homosexuality is already in your Mass Effect.

NO Shepard has expressed interest in a homosexual relationship unless you are using a modded game

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

[kalle90]

Cootie wrote...

So instead of running for the "AMAGAD THE GAYS ARE TAKING OVER!"-camp, you could've just said "It's not high on my priority-list, but if Bioware manages, I wouldn't object."

Besides, what's wrong about characters coming out of the closet in the third installment? It took Tali and Garrus two games to be charmed by our American Action Hero, but pfoof. There you go.
If it's well-rounded and explained properly, I wouldn't mind at all.

I did repeat that I have nothing against it if it doesn't sacrifice anything else. Based on ME2 it seems Bioware already has enough to do with all the emails instead of real effects and whatnot

Well it was all logical how Tali and Garrus grew to like Shepard, it only took them longer than it took for the humans and the confused asari. I wouldn't exactly compare it with coming out of the closet although I bet some people have always wanted the option

I guess I can do nothing but join the "As long as the "gay activation response" is stated clearly". In ME2 my first conversation after coming back to ship was usually with Jacob and I wouldn't have liked to see it turn like that. Especially when I managed to mess up the romance comments with the women. I liked Miranda and Tali more as LIs but when I tried to be supportive towards Jack I accidentally tied myself into her. So I guess this applies to all LIs - clearer "I love you", "I like you" and "**** you!" options

[Cootie]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Cootie wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

YOUR Shepard didn't express interest in one.
Other people's Shepards have gone through the game without a single romance, simply because the game mechanics didn't allow them. Some people have modified their game files to allow some Kaidan-romancing.

Besides, with the female Shepard being able to make people preggers, I'd say homosexuality is already in your Mass Effect.

NO Shepard has expressed interest in a homosexual relationship unless you are using a modded game

NO Shepard in Mass Effect ever expressed an interest in either Tali or Garrus. Modded game or not.
My point still stands.

[Cootie]

kalle90 wrote...

I
did repeat that I have nothing against it if it doesn't sacrifice
anything else. Based on ME2 it seems Bioware already has enough to do
with all the emails instead of real effects and whatnot

Well it
was all logical how Tali and Garrus grew to like Shepard, it only took
them longer than it took for the humans and the confused asari. I
wouldn't exactly compare it with coming out of the closet although I
bet some people have always wanted the option

I guess I can do
nothing but join the "As long as the "gay activation response" is
stated clearly". In ME2 my first conversation after coming back to ship
was usually with Jacob and I wouldn't have liked to see it turn like
that. Especially when I managed to mess up the romance comments with
the women. I liked Miranda and Tali more as LIs but when I tried to be
supportive towards Jack I accidentally tied myself into her. So I guess
this applies to all LIs - clearer "I love you", "I like you" and "****
you!" options

Homaigawsh, Cootie double-posts!

But yeah, in any case, I tip my hat to you, then, sir. I'm glad to have you with us.

[grim_reaper_13]

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

I am only refering to Mass Effect 3. I have said many times that i would like the idea of homosexual romances in a future Mass Effect game BUT not in the 3rd one.
What i am sayin is if Shep is indeed a homosexual why in God's name hasn't he ever hit on anyone?Or shown any romantic interest?

[burrito]

CERBERUS TURNED SHEPARD GAY, THATS IT.

[illerianna]

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

+1000

Most of my gay friends do not hit on every single s/s person they come across. That does not mean they are straight. Just like how the fact that I don't try to bang every guy I see doesn't mean I'm a lesbian. People restrain feelings for a variety of reasons, none of which have anything to do with the fact that they don't feel them. Shepard could easily have been worried he was picking up the wrong signals from Kaidan/Thane/Garrus/whoever, and held off his advances until he had a better idea of their person in general, and vice versa.

It's not rocket surgery science.

[grim_reaper_13]

illerianna wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

+1000

Most of my gay friends do not hit on every single s/s person they come across. That does not mean they are straight. Just like how the fact that I don't try to bang every guy I see doesn't mean I'm a lesbian. People restrain feelings for a variety of reasons, none of which have anything to do with the fact that they don't feel them. Shepard could easily have been worried he was picking up the wrong signals from Kaidan/Thane/Garrus/whoever, and held off his advances until he had a better idea of their person in general, and vice versa.

It's not rocket surgery science.

So basically the justfication that Shepard could be a homosexual is that he might get mixed signals?From EVERY male potential love interesr??It does feel a little weird

[shootist70]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

I am only refering to Mass Effect 3. I have said many times that i would like the idea of homosexual romances in a future Mass Effect game BUT not in the 3rd one.
What i am sayin is if Shep is indeed a homosexual why in God's name hasn't he ever hit on anyone?Or shown any romantic interest?

Why do you keep asking the same question that folks have already answered? Not only that, but it's a question that's been answered well on this thread many times before. My previous answer is that your question is a bit of a logical fallacy - a misplaced appeal to consistency. It happens when people assume a consistency that isn't factually apparent.
 
For example, what if you were working alongside a guy for 6 months then found out he was bisexual? Are you going to jump up and scream 'that's inconsistent!!' Of course not, because the consistency was something you imagined in your own mind - some strange assumption that people have to conform to a rampant gay/bi stereotype that's easy to spot from the off.

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

I am only refering to Mass Effect 3. I have said many times that i would like the idea of homosexual romances in a future Mass Effect game BUT not in the 3rd one.
What i am sayin is if Shep is indeed a homosexual why in God's name hasn't he ever hit on anyone?Or shown any romantic interest?

Who knows? Maybe he didn't want the drama or distraction, or maybe he didn't think anyone would be receptive to the idea. There are a number of ways they could approach this in the third game.

Honestly, if you had told me that Shepard would be able to romance Tali and Garrus in ME2 before it came out, my reaction would have been "Well, why was there no hint of an attraction between them in ME1?" But they did it anyway, and they did in such a way that it mostly worked (I do have issues with the Tali romance). So saying "because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2" should really just be a call for the writing to be carefully crafted.

And honestly, after including the Tali romance (and to a lesser extent Garrus), BioWare simply can't use this as an excuse. Do you think these two romances would have been included if there hadn't been a huge groundswell in demand for them after ME1? I don't think so. BioWare CAN write same-sex content into ME3 in a realistic way if they choose to.

And even if they pull a Jacob and it is hamhandedly shoe-horned into the game, so what? Your Shepard will never even see this 'unrealistic' content. What difference does it make to you? Personally, I simply ignore the Tali romance for my Shepards, since the whole idea beggars belief for me. But I don't care that it was included for the legions of drooling Talimancers. Why be against something that doesn't affect you?

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

illerianna wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

+1000

Most of my gay friends do not hit on every single s/s person they come across. That does not mean they are straight. Just like how the fact that I don't try to bang every guy I see doesn't mean I'm a lesbian. People restrain feelings for a variety of reasons, none of which have anything to do with the fact that they don't feel them. Shepard could easily have been worried he was picking up the wrong signals from Kaidan/Thane/Garrus/whoever, and held off his advances until he had a better idea of their person in general, and vice versa.

It's not rocket surgery science.

So basically the justfication that Shepard could be a homosexual is that he might get mixed signals?From EVERY male potential love interesr??It does feel a little weird

To you, maybe, but not to me. And certainly not as weird as Shepard saying "sure, I'll work with Cerberus".