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[grim_reaper_13]

shootist70 wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

I am only refering to Mass Effect 3. I have said many times that i would like the idea of homosexual romances in a future Mass Effect game BUT not in the 3rd one.
What i am sayin is if Shep is indeed a homosexual why in God's name hasn't he ever hit on anyone?Or shown any romantic interest?

Why do you keep asking the same question that folks have already answered? Not only that, but it's a question that's been answered well on this thread many times before. My previous answer is that your question is a bit of a logical fallacy - a misplaced appeal to consistency. It happens when people assume a consistency that isn't factually apparent.
 
For example, what if you were working alongside a guy for 6 months then found out he was bisexual? Are you going to jump up and scream 'that's inconsistent!!' Of course not, because the consistency was something you imagined in your own mind - some strange assumption that people have to conform to a rampant gay/bi stereotype that's easy to spot from the off.

But we are talking about Shepard who is our character not some co-worker student classmate whatever.
If the player cant express a romantic interest for any of the male squadies how can he suddenly express one in the third game?I just dont get it.

[illerianna]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

illerianna wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

+1000

Most of my gay friends do not hit on every single s/s person they come across. That does not mean they are straight. Just like how the fact that I don't try to bang every guy I see doesn't mean I'm a lesbian. People restrain feelings for a variety of reasons, none of which have anything to do with the fact that they don't feel them. Shepard could easily have been worried he was picking up the wrong signals from Kaidan/Thane/Garrus/whoever, and held off his advances until he had a better idea of their person in general, and vice versa.

It's not rocket surgery science.

So basically the justfication that Shepard could be a homosexual is that he might get mixed signals?From EVERY male potential love interesr??It does feel a little weird

Only to you. Only to you.

1) Like I said, variety of reasons. I can explain more of them if you wish. For example, I see a guy. A very attractive guy. Why do I not instantly rip my clothes off and throw myself at him? Well, let's see.
         a) I don't want to scare him. Slow and steady wins the race, no?
         I'm not even sure who he really is. What he's interested in, who he's interested in.
         c) I'm shy to love and relationships in general.
         d) I'm afraid of rejection.
         e) Going with c, I'm not a flirt/I like to wait for them to give me the go ahead.

2) Love is very very confusing. Nobody is a master at reading signals. I've gotten mixed signals from nearly every man I've met. Out of the few LIs in ME, mixed signals are not a hard concept to grasp.

*sigh* It's like talking to a brick. Not even a brick wall, just a lone, angry brick.

[burrito]

Shepard is the Commander of a military vessel would getting in any sort of relationship be proper.

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

shootist70 wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

I am only refering to Mass Effect 3. I have said many times that i would like the idea of homosexual romances in a future Mass Effect game BUT not in the 3rd one.
What i am sayin is if Shep is indeed a homosexual why in God's name hasn't he ever hit on anyone?Or shown any romantic interest?

Why do you keep asking the same question that folks have already answered? Not only that, but it's a question that's been answered well on this thread many times before. My previous answer is that your question is a bit of a logical fallacy - a misplaced appeal to consistency. It happens when people assume a consistency that isn't factually apparent.
 
For example, what if you were working alongside a guy for 6 months then found out he was bisexual? Are you going to jump up and scream 'that's inconsistent!!' Of course not, because the consistency was something you imagined in your own mind - some strange assumption that people have to conform to a rampant gay/bi stereotype that's easy to spot from the off.

But we are talking about Shepard who is our character not some co-worker student classmate whatever.
If the player cant express a romantic interest for any of the male squadies how can he suddenly express one in the third game?I just dont get it.

I don't think you're even trying to get it.

Your Shepard ain't gay, we get that. But that's YOUR Shepard. MY Shepard operates differently. Maybe he wasn't that interested in anyone in the first two games, but after awhile decided one of the boys was starting to grow on him (like Garrus and Tali 'suddenly' being interested in Shepard in ME2, I don't see you decrying THAT.) Really, you act like Shepard is this ironclad fully-mapped character with no more blanks to fill in. We're saying there is still some stuff to discover about Shepard. Do you really not get that?

[grim_reaper_13]

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

I am only refering to Mass Effect 3. I have said many times that i would like the idea of homosexual romances in a future Mass Effect game BUT not in the 3rd one.
What i am sayin is if Shep is indeed a homosexual why in God's name hasn't he ever hit on anyone?Or shown any romantic interest?

Who knows? Maybe he didn't want the drama or distraction, or maybe he didn't think anyone would be receptive to the idea. There are a number of ways they could approach this in the third game.

Honestly, if you had told me that Shepard would be able to romance Tali and Garrus in ME2 before it came out, my reaction would have been "Well, why was there no hint of an attraction between them in ME1?" But they did it anyway, and they did in such a way that it mostly worked (I do have issues with the Tali romance). So saying "because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2" should really just be a call for the writing to be carefully crafted.

And honestly, after including the Tali romance (and to a lesser extent Garrus), BioWare simply can't use this as an excuse. Do you think these two romances would have been included if there hadn't been a huge groundswell in demand for them after ME1? I don't think so. BioWare CAN write same-sex content into ME3 in a realistic way if they choose to.

And even if they pull a Jacob and it is hamhandedly shoe-horned into the game, so what? Your Shepard will never even see this 'unrealistic' content. What difference does it make to you? Personally, I simply ignore the Tali romance for my Shepards, since the whole idea beggars belief for me. But I don't care that it was included for the legions of drooling Talimancers. Why be against something that doesn't affect you?

Well maybe it is this.Although Bioware has never failed me before ( yes even with Awakening ) i feel that i wont be well written. But if it is well written and we dont get the whole bromance turning into a romance thing i would not object it.
But probably my biggest fear (and Bioware's too i think ) will the major political ****storm (an Udina quote where has the world come to ) if Fox gets wind of this and start talking out of there arse again.

Modifié par grim_reaper_13, 27 août 2010 - 10:49 .

[illerianna]

Oh, and let me just throw in that my last significant other and I had been purely friends for about, oh, four or five years before we finally got together. One day he just told me, "I like you, a lot. More than as a friend. It took me awhile to realize it, but I figured it out." (No, that relationship didn't last, but that's an unrelated story).

Are confessions like that sudden and sometimes confusing? Naturally. Are they impossible? No way. Love is random at best, and usually hits you with no real explanation as to why. If you can't see that.... I feel sorry that you need to see the world in such black and white views.

Modifié par illerianna, 27 août 2010 - 10:48 .

[shootist70]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

But we are talking about Shepard who is our character not some co-worker student classmate whatever.
If the player cant express a romantic interest for any of the male squadies how can he suddenly express one in the third game?I just dont get it.

God almighty, dude. The same logic applies in both cases. And as people have already pointed out, you can express romantic interest in other characters in ME2 that you couldn't in the first game. The gender is immaterial.

[shootist70]

Seriously, Grim_reaper, trolls aren't welcome on the thread, but I really, really hope for your sake that you are just trolling.

[grim_reaper_13]

shootist70 wrote...

Seriously, Grim_reaper, trolls aren't welcome on the thread, but I really, really hope for your sake that you are just trolling.

Mate i am not a troll.I am just expressing my opinion about something.Since when is that called trolling eh?

[Siansonea]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

I am only refering to Mass Effect 3. I have said many times that i would like the idea of homosexual romances in a future Mass Effect game BUT not in the 3rd one.
What i am sayin is if Shep is indeed a homosexual why in God's name hasn't he ever hit on anyone?Or shown any romantic interest?

Who knows? Maybe he didn't want the drama or distraction, or maybe he didn't think anyone would be receptive to the idea. There are a number of ways they could approach this in the third game.

Honestly, if you had told me that Shepard would be able to romance Tali and Garrus in ME2 before it came out, my reaction would have been "Well, why was there no hint of an attraction between them in ME1?" But they did it anyway, and they did in such a way that it mostly worked (I do have issues with the Tali romance). So saying "because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2" should really just be a call for the writing to be carefully crafted.

And honestly, after including the Tali romance (and to a lesser extent Garrus), BioWare simply can't use this as an excuse. Do you think these two romances would have been included if there hadn't been a huge groundswell in demand for them after ME1? I don't think so. BioWare CAN write same-sex content into ME3 in a realistic way if they choose to.

And even if they pull a Jacob and it is hamhandedly shoe-horned into the game, so what? Your Shepard will never even see this 'unrealistic' content. What difference does it make to you? Personally, I simply ignore the Tali romance for my Shepards, since the whole idea beggars belief for me. But I don't care that it was included for the legions of drooling Talimancers. Why be against something that doesn't affect you?

Well maybe it is this.Although Bioware has never failed me before ( yes even with Origins ) i feel that i wont be well written. But if it is well written and we dont get the whole bromance turning into a romance thing i would not object it.
But probably my biggest fear (and Bioware's too i think ) will the major political ****storm (an Udina quote where has the world come to ) if Fox gets wind of this and start talking out of there arse again.

I think Fox would think twice before tangling with BioWare again after that business with ME1, but in any case, controversy over this may or may not have an effect on sales. We simply don't know. If they implemented the content well, it might even increase sales, who knows? The old adage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is pretty apt.

Honestly, this game is not supposed to be for kids, it's supposed to be for adults. So if Mommy won't buy the game for Little Johnny because it has two boys kissing, fine. She shouldn't be buying the game for Little Johnny anyway.

[shootist70]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

shootist70 wrote...

Seriously, Grim_reaper, trolls aren't welcome on the thread, but I really, really hope for your sake that you are just trolling.

Mate i am not a troll.I am just expressing my opinion about something.Since when is that called trolling eh?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's a common troll tactic to just ignore the logic in people's responses and to keep posting the same argument over and over.

[Gibb_Garrus]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

shootist70 wrote...

Seriously, Grim_reaper, trolls aren't welcome on the thread, but I really, really hope for your sake that you are just trolling.

Mate i am not a troll.I am just expressing my opinion about something.Since when is that called trolling eh?

Apparently if you don't agree that shepard should turn into a flaming ****** your a troll. I guess i'm a troll too.

[Siansonea]

illerianna wrote...

Oh, and let me just throw in that my last significant other and I had been purely friends for about, oh, four or five years before we finally got together. One day he just told me, "I like you, a lot. More than as a friend. It took me awhile to realize it, but I figured it out." (No, that relationship didn't last, but that's an unrelated story).

Are confessions like that sudden and sometimes confusing? Naturally. Are they impossible? No way. Love is random at best, and usually hits you with no real explanation as to why. If you can't see that.... I feel sorry that you need to see the world in such black and white views.

I think people with some experience in this area are more apt to see our point. I know I look back on past relationships and ask myself "what was I thinking?" Love simply makes no logical sense, which is why I largely try to avoid it nowadays. SO not worth the effort..

So yeah, trying to apply some 'logical progression' to Shepard's hookups is downright silly.

[grim_reaper_13]

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

All right lets get this straight (or like Captain Price would say "This is for the record")

I don't mind homosexuality in videogames nor am i homophobic.
I liked that in Dragon Age Origins you had the ability to have a homosexual relationship with either Zevran for a Male Warden or Leliana for a Female Warden even though i didnt follow it.
But i wouldn't like to see a homosexual relationship in Mass Effect 3 because Shep doesn't express interest in one.
And as i said before i would like in future Mass Effect games with a new character the ability to have a homosexual relationship.

Are my posts invisible?

• Shepard could easily have been gay this whole time if he/she did not pursue romance in the first two games.
• Shepard could easily be bisexual if he/she pursued romance in the first two games.
• Male Shepard refraining from hitting on dudes in the first games does NOT mean he doesn't have any interest in them.
• Saying that you don't want something in ME3 because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2 is a recipe for a stultifying experience. That 'logic' can easily be expanded to all sorts of other things.

Personally, I think Shepard working for Cerberus in ANY capacity is a bigger stretch than any sort of romance storyline considerations. After Akuze, Corporal Toombs, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities Cerberus committed, newly-awakened Shepard should have just killed Wilson, Jacob and Miranda and taken the shuttle back to Alliance space. Period. So saying that "ManShep wanting some ManLove is inconsistent" kind of pales in comparison to that huge disconnect in continuity.

I am only refering to Mass Effect 3. I have said many times that i would like the idea of homosexual romances in a future Mass Effect game BUT not in the 3rd one.
What i am sayin is if Shep is indeed a homosexual why in God's name hasn't he ever hit on anyone?Or shown any romantic interest?

Who knows? Maybe he didn't want the drama or distraction, or maybe he didn't think anyone would be receptive to the idea. There are a number of ways they could approach this in the third game.

Honestly, if you had told me that Shepard would be able to romance Tali and Garrus in ME2 before it came out, my reaction would have been "Well, why was there no hint of an attraction between them in ME1?" But they did it anyway, and they did in such a way that it mostly worked (I do have issues with the Tali romance). So saying "because it wasn't in ME1 or ME2" should really just be a call for the writing to be carefully crafted.

And honestly, after including the Tali romance (and to a lesser extent Garrus), BioWare simply can't use this as an excuse. Do you think these two romances would have been included if there hadn't been a huge groundswell in demand for them after ME1? I don't think so. BioWare CAN write same-sex content into ME3 in a realistic way if they choose to.

And even if they pull a Jacob and it is hamhandedly shoe-horned into the game, so what? Your Shepard will never even see this 'unrealistic' content. What difference does it make to you? Personally, I simply ignore the Tali romance for my Shepards, since the whole idea beggars belief for me. But I don't care that it was included for the legions of drooling Talimancers. Why be against something that doesn't affect you?

Well maybe it is this.Although Bioware has never failed me before ( yes even with Origins ) i feel that i wont be well written. But if it is well written and we dont get the whole bromance turning into a romance thing i would not object it.
But probably my biggest fear (and Bioware's too i think ) will the major political ****storm (an Udina quote where has the world come to ) if Fox gets wind of this and start talking out of there arse again.

I think Fox would think twice before tangling with BioWare again after that business with ME1, but in any case, controversy over this may or may not have an effect on sales. We simply don't know. If they implemented the content well, it might even increase sales, who knows? The old adage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is pretty apt.

Honestly, this game is not supposed to be for kids, it's supposed to be for adults. So if Mommy won't buy the game for Little Johnny because it has two boys kissing, fine. She shouldn't be buying the game for Little Johnny anyway.

Hey i know that the game shouldn't be sold to minors thats what the big 18+ on the cover is for.What i mean is that no matter what it says Fox or whoever (Pailin anyone?? ) will make it seem like a japanese sex/rape simulator and diss the entire industry and gamers as a whole

[shootist70]

Tbh, Sainsonea, I think some of the more weighty press reaction actually served to highlight the amount of homophobia there is still knocking around due to the whole nature of what looked like a ridiculous storm-in-a-teacup.

[grim_reaper_13]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

shootist70 wrote...

Seriously, Grim_reaper, trolls aren't welcome on the thread, but I really, really hope for your sake that you are just trolling.

Mate i am not a troll.I am just expressing my opinion about something.Since when is that called trolling eh?

Apparently if you don't agree that shepard should turn into a flaming ****** your a troll. I guess i'm a troll too.

All right now you mate are trolling.Dont use offensive language.This is a supposed to be a place for discussions not insult slinging

Modifié par grim_reaper_13, 27 août 2010 - 10:58 .

[Siansonea]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...
*snipped*

This post has troll tendencies, mainly because of the wording. You could have said that people who don't support the initiative are unfairly labeled trolls, but you chose to use derogatory terminology that only illustrates how emotionally biased you are against homosexuality.

For my part I don't think Grim Reaper 13 is a troll, just obstinate in his refusal to consider our rebuttals.

[shootist70]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...


Apparently if you don't agree that shepard should turn into a flaming ****** your a troll. I guess i'm a troll too.

Polarising for effect - might as well paint 'troll' in big, pink neon letters on your ass.

[shootist70]

illerianna wrote...

Oh, and let me just throw in that my last significant other and I had been purely friends for about, oh, four or five years before we finally got together. One day he just told me, "I like you, a lot. More than as a friend. It took me awhile to realize it, but I figured it out." (No, that relationship didn't last, but that's an unrelated story).

Are confessions like that sudden and sometimes confusing? Naturally. Are they impossible? No way. Love is random at best, and usually hits you with no real explanation as to why. If you can't see that.... I feel sorry that you need to see the world in such black and white views.

It's generally when people only have stereotypes to refer to. Sadly, stereotypes are often negative ones, so people who use them often come off as dumb and one-dimensional, when in reality their social experience just hasn't been wide enough to destroy the stereotype in their mind.

[grim_reaper_13]

Siansonea II wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...
*snipped*

This post has troll tendencies, mainly because of the wording. You could have said that people who don't support the initiative are unfairly labeled trolls, but you chose to use derogatory terminology that only illustrates how emotionally biased you are against homosexuality.

For my part I don't think Grim Reaper 13 is a troll, just obstinate in his refusal to consider our rebuttals.

Ok if the writers can come up with a scenario that isnt cheesy or plain moronic to explain why Shep is a homosexual or bisexual i wont have a problem.But i want to know before hand or have it clarified through the dialogue that the character i am talking to is a potential homosexual love interest and not end up with the problem i had with my early Mass Effect 1 runs.
The problem being not knowing which character was i gonna end up romancing because i was talking to all of them and didnt want to miss any of the potential dialogues.

Modifié par grim_reaper_13, 27 août 2010 - 11:15 .

[shootist70]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...


Ok if the writers can come up with a scenario that isnt cheesy or plain moronic to explain why Shep is a homosexual i wont have a problem.But i want to know before hand or have it clarified through the dialogue that the character i am talking to is a potential homosexual love interest and not end up with the problem i had with my early Mass Effect 1 runs.
The problem being not knowing which character was i gonna end up romancing because i was talking to all of them and didnt want to miss any of the potential dialogues.

It'd probably help not to think in terms of labels like 'homosexual'. Some folks are just very sexually liberated, and are attracted to personality, not just to gender. Judging by femshep's relationship with Liara and manshep's relationship with Tali I'd say that Mass Effect's universe looks to be very sexually liberated indeed.

And that's another weird thing about this argument. We're ready to believe in a man who will gladly bang mask-wearing aliens but won't believe in him having any bisexual leanings?

Modifié par shootist70, 27 août 2010 - 11:15 .

[grim_reaper_13]

shootist70 wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...


Ok if the writers can come up with a scenario that isnt cheesy or plain moronic to explain why Shep is a homosexual i wont have a problem.But i want to know before hand or have it clarified through the dialogue that the character i am talking to is a potential homosexual love interest and not end up with the problem i had with my early Mass Effect 1 runs.
The problem being not knowing which character was i gonna end up romancing because i was talking to all of them and didnt want to miss any of the potential dialogues.

It'd probably help not to think in terms of labels like 'homosexual'. Some folks are just very sexually liberated, and are attracted to personality, not just to gender. Judging by femshep's relationship with Liara and manshep's relationship with Tali I'd say that Mass Effect's universe looks to be very sexually liberated indeed.

And that's another weird thing about this argument. We're ready to believe in a man who will bang mask-wearing aliens but won't believe in him having any bisexual leanings?

FIXED

[PsyrenY]

shootist70 wrote...

It'd probably help not to think in terms of labels like 'homosexual'. Some folks are just very sexually liberated, and are attracted to personality, not just to gender.

And such people exist in mass effect e.g. Kelly Chambers and every asari.

[illerianna]

Siansonea II wrote...

illerianna wrote...

Oh, and let me just throw in that my last significant other and I had been purely friends for about, oh, four or five years before we finally got together. One day he just told me, "I like you, a lot. More than as a friend. It took me awhile to realize it, but I figured it out." (No, that relationship didn't last, but that's an unrelated story).

Are confessions like that sudden and sometimes confusing? Naturally. Are they impossible? No way. Love is random at best, and usually hits you with no real explanation as to why. If you can't see that.... I feel sorry that you need to see the world in such black and white views.

I think people with some experience in this area are more apt to see our point. I know I look back on past relationships and ask myself "what was I thinking?" Love simply makes no logical sense, which is why I largely try to avoid it nowadays. SO not worth the effort..

So yeah, trying to apply some 'logical progression' to Shepard's hookups is downright silly.

Indeed on all accounts.

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Ok if the writers can come up with
a scenario that isnt cheesy or plain moronic to explain why Shep is a
homosexual i wont have a problem.But i want to know before hand or have
it clarified through the dialogue that the character i am talking to is a
potential homosexual love interest and not end up with the problem i
had with my early Mass Effect 1 runs.
The problem being not knowing
which character was i gonna end up romancing because i was talking to
all of them and didnt want to miss any of the potential dialogues.

Read the OP, there are solutions to this there.

shootist70 wrote...

Gibb_Garrus wrote...


Apparently if you don't agree that shepard should turn into a flaming ****** your a troll. I guess i'm a troll too.

Polarising for effect - might as well paint 'troll' in big, pink neon letters on your ass.

This kind of thing is just really, really, really sad. Go back to 4chan and tell them about how you troll'd us homoz before mommy calls you to dinner. If you're lucky, you can get an asspat from another troll because u showd us homoz lolwtf.

FFTL is a good cause, and I hereby pledge further support and cake to this effort. Hear hear! If the Taliban can get their wishes, so can we.

[Chippetg]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Ok if the writers can come up with a scenario that isnt cheesy or plain moronic to explain why Shep is a homosexual or bisexual i wont have a problem.But i want to know before hand or have it clarified through the dialogue that the character i am talking to is a potential homosexual love interest and not end up with the problem i had with my early Mass Effect 1 runs.
The problem being not knowing which character was i gonna end up romancing because i was talking to all of them and didnt want to miss any of the potential dialogues.

I think this is what everybody in the thread wants, so yeah.

Modifié par Chippetg, 27 août 2010 - 11:32 .