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[Poaches]

eh. does sexuality need to be "explained" ? This isn't exactly contracting a disease or getting implants. Its an intuitive part of human nature.

If shep does something due to input from the player, they can rationalize whatever they want. This is roleplaying. rpg.

Modifié par Poaches, 28 août 2010 - 01:40 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Poaches wrote...


If shep does something due to input from the player, they can rationalize whatever they want. This is roleplaying. rpg.

Now can we all shut-up about this please?

[ArchDemonXIII]

 I believe this is still on topic.

 I'm just hoping that any love interests are better written than Tali's. While I thought the nervous rambling straight to hopping on you was kinda charming, the lead up is kinda jarring. I played it out recently and it struck me that it goes from showing interest to her starting on antibiotics.

 To me it kinda struck me as being like this:

guy: I like you. you should hang out a my place. 
girl: I want to, but first I need to get started on birth control.
guy: Ummm..... what? I was thinking maybe a movie and some making out....

Not that i'm a prude, but when going from A to D I still like steps B & C even if they happen quickly. At least for anything that involves love instead of lust.

[MisterDyslexo]

ArchDemonXIII wrote...

 I believe this is still on topic.

 I'm just hoping that any love interests are better written than Tali's. While I thought the nervous rambling straight to hopping on you was kinda charming, the lead up is kinda jarring. I played it out recently and it struck me that it goes from showing interest to her starting on antibiotics.

 To me it kinda struck me as being like this:

guy: I like you. you should hang out a my place. 
girl: I want to, but first I need to get started on birth control.
guy: Ummm..... what? I was thinking maybe a movie and some making out....

Not that i'm a prude, but when going from A to D I still like steps B & C even if they happen quickly. At least for anything that involves love instead of lust.

Totally agree. And with Jack's, I didn't even realize I was romancing her up until the last chance to deny her. Its "I wanna get your head on straight" to "wanna come up to the captain's quarters". Same situation with Thane. You kinda got forced, even slightly, into Jacob's romance. Miranda's is really the only clear one

[Wittand25]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...
Ok if the writers can come up with a scenario that isnt cheesy or plain moronic to explain why Shep is a homosexual or bisexual i wont have a problem.But i want to know before hand or have it clarified through the dialogue that the character i am talking to is a potential homosexual love interest and not end up with the problem i had with my early Mass Effect 1 runs.
The problem being not knowing which character was i gonna end up romancing because i was talking to all of them and didnt want to miss any of the potential dialogues.

A dialog that would work with both Virmire survivers, if you did not have a romance with them and both Shepards is something like the following.(Obviously the lines of the VS need to be dressed to suit who he is.

VS:Shepard, I had to think about about Virmire. Why did you choose to safe me ?
Possible: Responses [You are a friend](gives paragon points ends dialog);[Would you rather have died] (gives renegade points, ends dialog) on the right side; [You are very special] on the left side
VS (if you picked the special line): Shepard that sounds like you want more than  friendship.
Possible responses [Yes];[No]
VS(if picked yes): Why did you not tell me before?
Shepard: I was not sure what you would say and thought that there would be time for this after we had stopped Saren. Guess I was wrong, but now that I have a second chance I dont want to waste it again.

Such a dialog would make the ninja romances of ME1 and 2 impossible, because you have to request and confirm it. It does not seem out of character for me, and as a bonus it does work for all four possible combinations of Shepard and unromanced VS (something that will be useful, because of the coming PS3 port).

[MisterDyslexo]

[quote]Wittand25 wrote...



[/quote]
A dialog that would work with both Virmire survivers, if you did not have a romance with them and both Shepards is something like the following.(Obviously the lines of the VS need to be dressed to suit who he is.

VS:Shepard, I had to think about about Virmire. Why did you choose to safe me ?
Possible: Responses [You are a friend](gives paragon points ends dialog);[Would you rather have died] (gives renegade points, ends dialog) on the right side; [You are very special] on the left side
VS (if you picked the special line): Shepard that sounds like you want more than  friendship.
Possible responses [Yes];[No]
VS(if picked yes): Why did you not tell me before?
Shepard: I was not sure what you would say and thought that there would be time for this after we had stopped Saren. Guess I was wrong, but now that I have a second chance I dont want to waste it again.

Such a dialog would make the ninja romances of ME1 and 2 impossible, because you have to request and confirm it. It does not seem out of character for me, and as a bonus it does work for all four possible combinations of Shepard and unromanced VS (something that will be useful, because of the coming PS3 port).[/quote]

That a great way to do it, but I hope the dialogue itself doesn't come down to
"VS: Why did you save me on Virmire? Why me?
Shepard: Cuz they wouldn't put out"
Thats pretty messed up, and hopefully they keep the two topics seperated as much as possible. And I hope that if you romance them, your history will come into play a little. Like certain choices, or how you treated them and the crew, something to make it a bit charming like in ME1

[catabuca]

Just jumping in to say, over the last 20 pages or so everyone has done a great job engaging with people who have reservations about s/s options, and it's been a breath of fresh air to see some of those people who originally were against those options open up and accept it probably wouldn't break their game after all.

You guys all rock

[Collider]

Fortunately in ME2 there's less of a problem with "ninjamances."

[catabuca]

Collider wrote...

Fortunately in ME2 there's less of a problem with "ninjamances."

*cough*Jacob*cough* Although that's less a ninjamance and more a terrible, horrific nightmare.

[shootist70]

Poaches wrote...

eh. does sexuality need to be "explained" ? This isn't exactly contracting a disease or getting implants. Its an intuitive part of human nature.

If shep does something due to input from the player, they can rationalize whatever they want. This is roleplaying. rpg.

It's not a case of 'explaining sexuality', it's more a case of knocking the consistency argument on the head.

[DanaScu]

catabuca wrote...

Collider wrote...

Fortunately in ME2 there's less of a problem with "ninjamances."

*cough*Jacob*cough* Although that's less a ninjamance and more a terrible, horrific nightmare.

After my first playthrough where I did, unfortunately, run into ninjamanceJacob, I've completely ignored him. All of my Sheps talk to him [but not until after I get Mordin on board] for ship upgrades and his loyalty mission. After that, the only times I even see him is when the game gives me no choice. He seems to be the official "greeter" for the Normandy. I didn't use him to get Mordin, but he's there to greet Mordin. I didn't use him to get Samara, but he's there to greet Samara. I didn't use him to get Tali or Thane, but he was right there to harass Tali and Thane.

Did anyone else wish for the dialogue option or paragon interrupt during Jacob's holier than thou attitude with Thane? I wanted the chance to tell Jacob "Why, yes, actually, I do trust that assassin far more than you. He's an assassin for hire. You willingly work for Cerberus, remember?"  His personality wouldn't  lend itself to any romance, ss or straight for my characters.

[jedishephard]

Siansonea II wrote...

jedishephard wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

jedishephard wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

jedishephard wrote...

explain please

It sold. As in, people exchanged money for it and took it home. A good number of those people were straight.

It also sold well enough to encourage DLC, and expansion pack, and a sequel.

Sir, isn't that a moot point? the game was not advertised as having s/s romances right? same with Mass Effect, right? I have a question for you..Why does Bioware have to include the option of S/S in every single game they create? All I am saying that it SEEMS that the exclusion of s/s didn't hurt/help the game

Why include it? Because they can, and there are people who want it. Including it takes nothing away from people who don't want it, since it is simply an option that can be ignored if the player chooses. If it has no effect on sales, there's no reason NOT to include it.

but that doesnt explain why they should though. People want a lot of things included in the game what makes this any better than those other things? just wondering 

Some of those other things should probably be developed and distributed also. No one here is saying "we want same-sex content, and don't develop anything else people ask for, just what we want".

but ma'am you are missing the point.  Lets say in a hypothetical situation that bioware could only do a few "user-requested" improvements to the game so what makes this issue more important than let's say keeping every squad member in ME3 (which ALOT of people want to see and not have to go out yet again to recruit more people)? This seems like it would be great if they included it but I don't see the importance of including s/s romances when they clearly have the story established as such that the only s/s in the game you can do is female shep and male shep being screwed with only female choices

[Christmas Ape]

DanaScu wrote...

Did anyone else wish for the dialogue option or paragon interrupt during Jacob's holier than thou attitude with Thane? I wanted the chance to tell Jacob "Why, yes, actually, I do trust that assassin far more than you. He's an assassin for hire. You willingly work for Cerberus, remember?" His personality wouldn't lend itself to any romance, ss or straight for my characters.

<_< "I think your Cerberus paycheck is waiting in the Armory, Mr. Taylor. Perhaps you should go check."

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 28 août 2010 - 04:10 .

[Siansonea]

jedishephard wrote...
*snippage*
but ma'am you are missing the point.  Lets say in a hypothetical situation that bioware could only do a few "user-requested" improvements to the game so what makes this issue more important than let's say keeping every squad member in ME3 (which ALOT of people want to see and not have to go out yet again to recruit more people)? This seems like it would be great if they included it but I don't see the importance of including s/s romances when they clearly have the story established as such that the only s/s in the game you can do is female shep and male shep being screwed with only female choices

So, your argument now is "not enough people want this to make it worth the developers' time"? Or that including it is somehow automatically at the expense of much more "popular" initiatives? We don't know for certain what the numbers are on any fan-driven inclusion initiatives for ME3. All we know for certain is that Tali-related romance options are at the very top of that list. So saying that s/s romance options is less clamored-for than say, continuing the Jacob o/s romance is pure speculation. And this is the same logic that I spoke of earlier in the thread, that encourages BioWare to simply develop more Tali content, rather than develop content for the smaller fanbases. Where do you draw the line as to what is worth including, and how do you determine it concretely?

Or is your argument that because there were no s/s options for MaleShepard in the first two games that it somehow isn't worth the trouble at this point? Or that it somehow violates the 'integrity' of the story? I'm just trying to understand the point your making.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 28 août 2010 - 05:19 .

[javierabegazo]

Guys, please watch how much you quote please.

[Kriztaen]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...
Apparently if you don't agree that shepard should turn into a flaming ****** your a troll. I guess i'm a troll too.

No, around a third of the people that ever came on this topic who disagreed had their own valid reasons. Also you are not a troll because you disagree, you are just rude because you use terms like "flaming ******".

But back on the topic at hand, I think many people here would actually like a more "established" way of romancing. One problem both ME1 and 2 face are that the romance options feel forced simply because of the fact that being a nice person/good friend equates to "I love you Shepard!".

To me it almost seems like the romance partners in the Mass Effect series have serious low self esteem issues and will fall head over heels in love with anyone that gives them the time of day. To someone looking for a specific romance or trying to stay true to an ME1 LI in ME2 it seems almost like you are being given an annoying hurdle as punishment for trying to be friendly with your crew.

Also as a side note, even if Fox jumps on this there are 3 reasons why it won't matter.
1 - Most countries in Europe don't give a damn about Fox News and yes, we Europeans make up a big part of the Mass Effect consumer base.
2 - The last person who went on a childish tirade like that admitted to never even playing the game which totally killed any credibility. They should not have opened their big mouth in the first place.
3 - Guys...its Fox News. Seriously.

[Collider]

catabuca wrote...

Collider wrote...

Fortunately in ME2 there's less of a problem with "ninjamances."

*cough*Jacob*cough* Although that's less a ninjamance and more a terrible, horrific nightmare.

I thought about Jacob - but as you said, he's not really a ninjamance. 

[Kappa Neko]

I'm a heterosexual woman very satisfied with the Kaidan romance but I support this thread!

It's the 21th century and it's still not possible to have gay characters in video games. Amazing.

Ok, with Liara we sort of had a lesbian choice because that's something heterosexual men actually enjoy. Apparently weird disturbing alien sex is no problem either, but a guy-guy romance? Heaven forbid! It's SO ridiculous! *shakes head*

I don't get what the problem is... If you're an adolescent boy scared of anything homosexual, don't do the gay romance! Have your tough guy fantasy with the hot chicks and let others enjoy their fantasies.

Bioware shouldn't be so scared of the media! It never ceases to amaze me how conservative modern society still is. Or should I say hypocritical?

ME1 had a tiny bit of nudity. Generated media outcry. So no more nudity. Jeez. Grow a backbone Bioware! Bit of nudity and same-sex romance is not going to ban ME3, is it?!

[Cootie]

Kappa Neko wrote...

I'm a heterosexual woman very satisfied with the Kaidan romance but I support this thread!
It's the 21th century and it's still not possible to have gay characters in video games. Amazing.
Ok, with Liara we sort of had a lesbian choice because that's something heterosexual men actually enjoy. Apparently weird disturbing alien sex is no problem either, but a guy-guy romance? Heaven forbid! It's SO ridiculous! *shakes head*
I don't get what the problem is... If you're an adolescent boy scared of anything homosexual, don't do the gay romance! Have your tough guy fantasy with the hot chicks and let others enjoy their fantasies.
Bioware shouldn't be so scared of the media! It never ceases to amaze me how conservative modern society still is. Or should I say hypocritical?
ME1 had a tiny bit of nudity. Generated media outcry. So no more nudity. Jeez. Grow a backbone Bioware! Bit of nudity and same-sex romance is not going to ban ME3, is it?!

I am sure you get this all the time since you are a heterosexual woman on the internet, but I'll say it anyway.
I love you.

Thank you for showing off your wisdom, and I tip my hat to you. And I agree that Bioware should continue to release "revolting" titles, to push the envelope. Three games later no one would complain, I'm sure.

[ElitePinecone]

Kriztaen wrote...

To me it almost seems like the romance partners in the Mass Effect series have serious low self esteem issues and will fall head over heels in love with anyone that gives them the time of day. To someone looking for a specific romance or trying to stay true to an ME1 LI in ME2 it seems almost like you are being given an annoying hurdle as punishment for trying to be friendly with your crew.

I thought this as well, especially in Mass Effect 2. Rejecting romance offers (that I certainly didn't willingly initiate) from Miranda, Jack and Tali was made hugely difficult. The player needs to seriously disappoint and/or upset the LI for them to back off, which I always found kinda strange. In Jack's case, a late rejection makes her really enraged, while Tali descends into sadness. For a team of people that are regularly in stressful situations, the Normandy's crew somewhat overreacts when it comes to rejection - and it's kinda unnerving that being friendly gets such a "head over heels in love" reaction. It broke the immersion, a little. 

[Tirigon]

zvbxrpl wrote...

See, when the stages of life have names like "maiden" and "matriarch," and female pronouns are used, it's hard to argue that the Asari don't see themselves as female at least in some capacity. The only male term they use is "father," and that is actually accurate--it is the parent that does not bear the child, but impregnates the one who does. Besides, look at your average Asari. Can you genuinely imagine a straight woman or gay man wanting to have sex with a person that looks like a human woman, but blue?

Can you actually imagine anyone who isn´t either colour-blind or totally weird to feel attracted to a BLUE person?!

[ArchDemonXIII]

Tirigon wrote...

Can you actually imagine anyone who isn´t either colour-blind or totally weird to feel attracted to a BLUE person?!

 Sure, why not? It's theoretically no different from someone who's only exposure is to people of their own pigmentation finally seeing someone different. Most likely they'd just see it as exotic.

 If someone hands you the keys to a sports car, do you question the color or just drive it?

[Poaches]

ArchDemonXIII wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Can you actually imagine anyone who isn´t either colour-blind or totally weird to feel attracted to a BLUE person?!

 Sure, why not? It's theoretically no different from someone who's only exposure is to people of their own pigmentation finally seeing someone different. Most likely they'd just see it as exotic.

 If someone hands you the keys to a sports car, do you question the color or just drive it?

Considering avatar... I'd have to agree.

With the asari however, there's always the mind control.

[upsettingshorts]

I think the decision to make the LIs - at least at first - be immediately about romantic love leading to sex within the course of the game is a tough sell.

When Miranda dropped the line about "love" I spat out my coffee. Look, we'll see ok Ms Lawson?

At least there's the casual Jack sex thing, even though I never went that route, at least it shows they're not uncomfortable with the option.

And as far as the Asari skin color, well, it'd depend on how weird it would be considered.  The Asari aren't weird or odd to anyone in the Mass Effect universe, and if I lived in one I wouldn't have an issue being attracted to one.  If one showed up to my door in REAL LIFE I'd be very shocked and probably not entirely comfortable with it.  Because, uh, it's a blue person with a tentacle head.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 août 2010 - 01:58 .

[PsyrenY]

[quote]ElitePinecone wrote...

[quote]Kriztaen wrote...

I thought this as well, especially in Mass Effect 2. Rejecting romance offers (that I certainly didn't willingly initiate) from Miranda, Jack and Tali was made hugely difficult. The player needs to seriously disappoint and/or upset the LI for them to back off, which I always found kinda strange. In Jack's case, a late rejection makes her really enraged, while Tali descends into sadness. For a team of people that are regularly in stressful situations, the Normandy's crew somewhat overreacts when it comes to rejection - and it's kinda unnerving that being friendly gets such a "head over heels in love" reaction. It broke the immersion, a little. 
[/quote]

Let's be fair here. I certainly never had Miranda throwing herself at my Shep. You can be a friend to her from start to finish without ever feeling like you're shooting her down, and the option that starts the romance is very obvious. Give Bioware credit where it's due!