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[Hattie]

All this talk about "creative freedom" is misleading.
It's obvious what bioware was thinking:

Em23 wrote...

Our target demographic finds homosexual males scary but finds lesbianism hot. How can we get away with giving them the latter without the former?

Hmmm… I know! Lets invent a monogendered alien race that looks female, but techinically aren’t so we can still claim that there is no homosexuality in mass effect! Genius!!

It’s an insult to everyone.

Artistic vision? No, greed.
They are trying to make money, not create deep and meaningful works of art.

Modifié par Hattie, 02 septembre 2010 - 11:04 .

[BeastMTL]

I would definitely love having romance content that appeals to me in ME. As a gay man I have no interest in either hetero or lesbian romances. But what I'd really appreciate is BIO just coming out and saying WHY they decided against it.

At first I thought it could have been ratings oriented but then both ME2 and DAO are rated M.

[SirMoogie]

The ESRB, AFAIK, doesn't discriminate in terms of sexuality with ratings, at least they shouldn't. They just use vague categories, like "mild sexual themes".

[Top55]

Siansonea II wrote...




You are welcome. I hope you will give my points some thought.

I believe that discussions among persons of opposing viewpoints can be very productive and thought-provoking for all parties involved. The more often people on opposing sides of an issue seek to understand the opposite viewpoint, it becomes that much more likely to reach a productive compromise.

This is a very good idea when you have logical people in the debate otherwise you get nowhere fast; although true none the less.

Back on topic: Inserting gay/bi relations in ME3 would defenantly need a soft touch so as to not alienate the people out there who just wanted get to hear the stories of their team but not wanting the flirting to pick up after a certain point.

[MisterDyslexo]

Top55 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...




You are welcome. I hope you will give my points some thought.

I believe that discussions among persons of opposing viewpoints can be very productive and thought-provoking for all parties involved. The more often people on opposing sides of an issue seek to understand the opposite viewpoint, it becomes that much more likely to reach a productive compromise.

This is a very good idea when you have logical people in the debate otherwise you get nowhere fast; although true none the less.

Back on topic: Inserting gay/bi relations in ME3 would defenantly need a soft touch so as to not alienate the people out there who just wanted get to hear the stories of their team but not wanting the flirting to pick up after a certain point.

Thats why there should be that specially-coloured dialogue option. It solves almost everything about the ninjamances.

[Top55]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Top55 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...




You are welcome. I hope you will give my points some thought.

I believe that discussions among persons of opposing viewpoints can be very productive and thought-provoking for all parties involved. The more often people on opposing sides of an issue seek to understand the opposite viewpoint, it becomes that much more likely to reach a productive compromise.

This is a very good idea when you have logical people in the debate otherwise you get nowhere fast; although true none the less.

Back on topic: Inserting gay/bi relations in ME3 would defenantly need a soft touch so as to not alienate the people out there who just wanted get to hear the stories of their team but not wanting the flirting to pick up after a certain point.

Thats why there should be that specially-coloured dialogue option. It solves almost everything about the ninjamances.

Fair enough at least that way everyone would know what they were getting into.

[Poaches]

Come to think of it, Vampire Masquerades had pink text representing seduction dialogs. But given the audience, we all know someone's going to call it gay. In any case, I thought that idea with a separate flirt sub dialog section was much more intuitive in comparison. And generally less rage inducing.

[Siansonea]

Top55 wrote...
*snipped*

Fair enough at least that way everyone would know what they were getting into.

A lot of us here are hoping that the 'ninjamance' thing gets resolved for future stuff. I should be able to go the complete Paragon dialogue route (always upper right choice) without getting into a romance. My über-Paragon Vanguard is the guy who talks to everybody and is unfailingly Paragon to everyone. He almost walked through the wrong doors with Miranda, Tali AND Jack, because of this. Luckily I was able to keep him loyal to Liara (he'll be the first character I play LotSB with!)

I think Shepard's romance-pursuing dialogue options should always be on the left side center, and probably green to indicate that you are pursuing a 'more than friends' relationship with the person in question. That would benefit ALL romance dialogue. The wheel is supposed to give the player an idea of Shepard's intent, it's not a stretch to add a third color option so we know where Shepard is going with his/her dialogue. I think the standard Paragon and Renegade options should either leave the door open but not walk through (Paragon) or close the door (Renegade).

I also think if Shepard has a high Paragon or Renegade rating, that should help them or hinder them in their chosen romance. For instance, I think someone with too high a Paragon rating should have a harder time trying to romance Jack, whereas a high Paragon person should have an easier time with Kaidan, Liara and perhaps Tali.

[Ziggy]

If the dialog wheel with icons thing they're using is da2 works well, I think there's a good chance they'll use that idea in me3 as well.

[Poaches]

Siansonea II wrote...

Top55 wrote...
*snipped*

Fair enough at least that way everyone would know what they were getting into.

A lot of us here are hoping that the 'ninjamance' thing gets resolved for future stuff. I should be able to go the complete Paragon dialogue route (always upper right choice) without getting into a romance. My über-Paragon Vanguard is the guy who talks to everybody and is unfailingly Paragon to everyone. He almost walked through the wrong doors with Miranda, Tali AND Jack, because of this. Luckily I was able to keep him loyal to Liara (he'll be the first character I play LotSB with!)

I think Shepard's romance-pursuing dialogue options should always be on the left side center, and probably green to indicate that you are pursuing a 'more than friends' relationship with the person in question. That would benefit ALL romance dialogue. The wheel is supposed to give the player an idea of Shepard's intent, it's not a stretch to add a third color option so we know where Shepard is going with his/her dialogue. I think the standard Paragon and Renegade options should either leave the door open but not walk through (Paragon) or close the door (Renegade).

I also think if Shepard has a high Paragon or Renegade rating, that should help them or hinder them in their chosen romance. For instance, I think someone with too high a Paragon rating should have a harder time trying to romance Jack, whereas a high Paragon person should have an easier time with Kaidan, Liara and perhaps Tali.

Paragon and Renegade ratings are far too polarized to have a place in a romance imo. You can take tali, for instance, whom displays questionable morals in various instances. A Paragon shepard who intends to make nice with the geth will not impress tali in any shape or form, given how dead set she is at nuking them. Or the clear bias she has concerning race and authority, especially when quarians are involved; certain to ignore any moral compass, let alone what a straight up paragon or renegade would imply.

Personally, Love is irrational and hardline morals seems unfitting to have a place in it.... unless this is about samara.

Modifié par Poaches, 03 septembre 2010 - 06:56 .

[Commander Kurt]

I can see where both sides in this discussion is coming from. First, I don´t like a society where views are all the right ones. There is a place for people/art/newspapers and so on who think that colour/gender/age/origin/haircolor and what not IS important. I don´t agree with it, but I want them to exist and be heard all the same. I don´t want us as a society to form a list of "the right opinions" and everyone who thinks differently is [insert insult of choice].



However, that is not at all how I interpret this thread (most of the time). This is no different to me than asking for Kaidan or Tali as squadmates in ME3. I would like to know why this alternative was not available in ME/ME2, but I suspect that it has to do with the image of the game. Fine, I understand economics. I still want it to be an option for ME3, and I will be kind enough to let Bioware know this (I hate it when you have to guess what people want, especially when it's someone you really want to satisfy).



My two cents.

[Sonvega]

Can Shepard die at the end of ME3?
I really hope so because my Shep has no LI since 2007 and it would be a good story ending if he can sacrifice himself.
I'd prefer the Shep and Kaidan lived happily ever after ending but that's not possible because male Sheps are all straight.
Pls Bioware I wish for a glorious death as a hero saving the galaxy and not as a weakling like in ME2 for Shepard.
I only play video games because of a good story and not having a LI ruins the story for me so I want Shepard dead after waiting 4 years and longer. That's my feedback.

[MisterDyslexo]

Sonvega wrote...

Can Shepard die at the end of ME3?
I really hope so because my Shep has no LI since 2007 and it would be a good story ending if he can sacrifice himself.
I'd prefer the Shep and Kaidan lived happily ever after ending but that's not possible because male Sheps are all straight.
Pls Bioware I wish for a glorious death as a hero saving the galaxy and not as a weakling like in ME2 for Shepard.
I only play video games because of a good story and not having a LI ruins the story for me so I want Shepard dead after waiting 4 years and longer. That's my feedback.

Please keep your posts on topic to thiss thread. Not trying to offend you or anything.

[Siansonea]

I can't believe this thread fell off the first page. Come on people, I know there's more to say on this subject.

[Cootie]

I'll pull out another quick discussion from my pocket, then!



If Bioware created a whole new LI with possible homosexual romance, what kind of a character would you want it to be and what personality traits would you like?

[Tirigon]

Cootie wrote...

I'll pull out another quick discussion from my pocket, then!

If Bioware created a whole new LI with possible homosexual romance, what kind of a character would you want it to be and what personality traits would you like?

Personally, I´d like a Zevran-style kind of guy.

Or a Geth, or Grunt (though I´m afraid Grunt is unavailable as it might count as pedophilia...)

[Siansonea]

Cootie wrote...

I'll pull out another quick discussion from my pocket, then!

If Bioware created a whole new LI with possible homosexual romance, what kind of a character would you want it to be and what personality traits would you like?

Anything but a walking stereotype. Basically I want LIs that are attractive, with interesting backstories and good voice acting. Like Kaidan, Miranda, Jack, and Liara. New s/s LIs would have to be on par with those characters. No cross-eyed stiff-lipped Jacobs or dull-as-dishwater Thanes, give us LIs with personality and hi-res textures.

[Jaron Oberyn]

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html



Thought you might find this interesting.



-Polite

[Tirigon]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

Thought you might find this interesting.

-Polite

Ray Muzkya wrote....
whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character
with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he or she
is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more tactical
choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's more
focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But that's
by choice.

I think he´s talking bullsh!t in this article. Whether Shepard is paragon or Renegade makes a much bigger difference than whether he´s gay or hetero, nevertheless you can choose THAT. So this entire statement is plain wrong.

[MisterDyslexo]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

Thought you might find this interesting.

-Polite

I believe he's basically saying:

"In KoTOR, Dragon Age, Jade Empire and Baulder's Gate, you chose how you shaped your character, and whatever choices froma wide spectrum they be. You could be good or evil, hero or villain, and the game would react because of it.  In Mass Effect, you're set to be a hero, but you still control his personality, and how he gets to the final objective."

He has a point about you having to be the hero of the game, but he said that you still would define his personality. The answer would make sense if asked "Why can't Shepard be evil and help the Reapers, or become a villain?", but it is rubbish in concern of the asked question. He's obviously dodging the topic with a bull**** generic and rehearsed answer.

Why couldn't he just said the truth, like "Well we would but we're afraid all the 12-year olds won't buy it"

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 06 septembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[BeastMTL]

The only response I have to that article is a quote from the game.

Shepard: Sorry, but I'm having trouble hearing you. I'm getting a lot of bull**** on this line.

[DanaScu]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

Thought you might find this interesting.

-Polite

However the predefinied same background/personality female character is open to having a ss romance with Liara.

Oh wait. That doesn't count. Liara isn't female.

Or is he saying that maleShep is pre-defined, and femShep is more open? ::wonders if someone needs a larger shovel::

I wonder if EA sweeps this stuff up and packages it for sale to
local gardening centers. They seem to have an endless supply and it
might generate more income than the dlc.....

[Siansonea]

Ah, Ray Muzyka spouting more idiotic nonsense logic. Well, I guess that answers that. Shepard just couldn't save the galaxy if 'he' liked to have the buttsecks with teh boyz. That's really your message, dude? Homophobic jerk.

Well kids, sounds like nothing we have to say here will make a bit of difference. Anyone want to play cards?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:34 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah, Ray Muzyka spouting more idiotic nonsense logic. Well, I guess that answers that. Shepard just couldn't save the galaxy if 'he' liked to have the buttsecks with teh boyz. That's really your message, dude? Homophobic jerk.

Well kids, sounds like nothing we have to say here will make a bit of difference. Anyone want to play cards?

How about a game of bull****? Seems fitting.

[Siansonea]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah, Ray Muzyka spouting more idiotic nonsense logic. Well, I guess that answers that. Shepard just couldn't save the galaxy if 'he' liked to have the buttsecks with teh boyz. That's really your message, dude? Homophobic jerk.

Well kids, sounds like nothing we have to say here will make a bit of difference. Anyone want to play cards?

How about a game of bull****? Seems fitting.

Sure thing. Well one good thing to come out of this article, I think it's clear who at BioWare is waving the flag for Emphatic Heterosexuality. Maybe Jesus put him up to it.<_<