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Any other US fans out there? (spoilers)

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 02:49

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I'm talking about the Ultimate Sacrifice ending of course.  I just finished the game again (I don't care to say what number this playthrough was ;) ).  I did the DR this time because I wanted to play with this character a little more in Awakenings.  I have to say though that I think the US ending is so much better than the DR ending.  Yes, I know there might be more story ahead for our Warden and maybe Morrigan too and I understand that and why the DR ending is supposedly the canon one. 

I don't think that the DR ending is as powerful though.  It's really something to say goodbye to your companions knowing you are going to die and never see them again.  To me the DR ending feels cheap and almost cheaty in comparison, but then I am a person that loves stories with sad endings that make me cry.  Anyway I just love the funeral scene and seeing how your Warden influenced his companions after his/her death.  Some are quite surprising and moving (like Oghren).   I know the DR ending has a lot of fans because of the story implications, but does anyone else out there think like me that the US ending is the best one in DA?

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 03:06

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DR is not an ending . . . it's a beginning . . . of theMr. Stay Puft!

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Just kidding - sort of.  Your post is well written and I understand the message you are trying to convey.  The US ending has a moving funeral, an emotional epilogue for each companion, and then you get the "world as a result of your decisions" epilogue.  This is a pretty moving thing.

With the DR you get to shake hands with everyone and go out and meet your public (same as Alistair or Loghain taking the fall).  Then you get the "world as a result of your decisions" epilogue.  Not nearly as moving.  Although I will say if you argue with Loghain a little about the final blow and then let him go through with it he really gives the most emotional and moving scene in the entire game.

Anyway - good post.  I personally do not have a preference based on your criteria. 

My canon character refuses the DR because Tevinter Dragons are evil, Flemeth's demon is still out there, and creating the Stay Puft Marshmallow Baby with Morrigan is just asking for the world to end.  My canon guy also redeems everyone, so Loghain gets to bite the bullet.  But these are different reasons from yours.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 03:10

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My favorite ending was a DR ending with Anora on the throne and my Warden and Alistair went off to go be GWs together.

My second favorite was my US ending. Nothing quite so poignant as those goodbyes at the gate knowing for your PC is the last they will see of those friends. The end slides were so great too. (my favorite is Sten's).

So ya I really love this one too.

HATE HATE HATE the WC ending though. Pissed me off.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 03:19

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sylvanaerie wrote...

PC is the last they will see of those friends. The end slides were so great too. (my favorite is Sten's).
 


"He was asked if during his travels he met anyone worthy.  He stated that he met only one." - lump in the throat just typing it.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 03:21

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Yes the ending slides with the US ending are so beautiful! <3 They make me tear up as well as when I say goodbye to Dog for the last time and tell him to be good. I'm such a softy! XD

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 06:27

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I have 18 completed plays and i only have about 7 characters that survived to go on the Awakenings, so yea i like the US ending alot actually. It is even more satisfying to send Morrigan away at the end with a big ole LOOOSSSSEERR! stamped on her forehead. Most of the time i refuse the DR (2 out of 18 plays are DR endings) the rest are either spare Loghain force Allistair and Anora (Allistair is a twit and i feel bad foisting him on Anora) to marry feed Loghain to the AD or let Anora rule alone (I like Anora if you cant tell) feed Allistair to the AD which still makes me happy and roll on to Awakenings.



It is really great that the game has quite a few ways to end it i just whish Bioware had spent more time to solidify the epilogue so that it more closely matched the wardens decisions during the particular play, but i guess you can not have everything.



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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 07:47

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The US ending is my favorite as well.



It has emotional attachment(hell, you can even say goodbye to your dog) and most importantly, it has closure and finality.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 08:03

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Well, making Loghain Or Alistair kill it for me is my favourite:

"Hah! In you're face Morrigan! I didn't need your stupid ritual to survive!"



US was the most moving ending. Well... except for Leliana's hinted suicide.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 08:23

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Its definitely the most poignant ending - no matter who lands the killing blow.

The demon/god/baby/abomination ending feels like a bit of an anticlimax to me.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 08:36

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Avilia wrote...

Its definitely the most poignant ending - no matter who lands the killing blow.

The demon/god/baby/abomination ending feels like a bit of an anticlimax to me.


Despite my feeling about Morrigan i feel that is the cheap way out, kind of like the developers took pity on us poor gamers and after hours and hours of tought decisions they decided to have a heart for the player. No thanks i will pass most of the fun in the game is having to make those decisions and then live with the consequences of them. No cheap easy way out for me thank you very much ill pass, plus i get to ****** Morrigan off one final time, for me that is the most fun i have had with my clothes on in a long time.  

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 08:52

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Yes, the DR ending feels cheap and anti-climatic to me too. Like the scene where your character is plunging his/her sword into the archdemon and it is supposed to be all awesome and climatic...well it is if your Warden is actually dying at that point. Otherwise the huge explosion and everyone looking at it with wonder and worry and asking at what cost was the Blight defeated just seems out of place.



Now I am really itching to make another character and do the US ending again! It's been awhile.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 09:57

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dream_operator23 wrote...

Yes, the DR ending feels cheap and anti-climatic to me too. Like the scene where your character is plunging his/her sword into the archdemon and it is supposed to be all awesome and climatic...well it is if your Warden is actually dying at that point. Otherwise the huge explosion and everyone looking at it with wonder and worry and asking at what cost was the Blight defeated just seems out of place.

Now I am really itching to make another character and do the US ending again! It's been awhile.


yah because if you take the DR it is assured that morrigan and the baby will see good ends right...amirite?

please, the "at what cost" easily fits, and fits well for the DR ending...because what will morrigan do with that child? despite what morrigan TRIES to do with the child...with it having the essence of an old-god in it....what will that child do?

at what cost did the warden defeat the blight and survive?  when that child may be the very thing that allows the darskpawn to win in the end..or vise-versa

and lacks emotion? yah because the GW dying is the ONLY reason why people are emotional about the blight being defeated...I mean that whole being killed, turned into ghouls, broodmothers for the ladies, etc means NOTHING right? amirite?

don't be stupid.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 10:12

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I don't care much for the ultimate sacrifice ending. I can have Loghain doing it because the last noble act of the fallen hero is poetic, but even then the fact that the Warden's soul is destroyed is a bit unsettling.

It is never my Warden because I genuinely hate playing totally awesome hero types. The DR is a nice black spot on your "happy ending". It's possibly going to come back and bite you.

"At what cost" can mean a lot. If you do the DR it means the risk you take by giving Morrigan access to great power. It can also mean losing a life, a soul, losing friendship or love, risking stability, risking progress, the end of a legendary royal bloodline ... so many things.

Modifié par klarabella, 15 juin 2010 - 10:13 .

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 11:52

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klarabella wrote...

I don't care much for the ultimate sacrifice ending. I can have Loghain doing it because the last noble act of the fallen hero is poetic, but even then the fact that the Warden's soul is destroyed is a bit unsettling. . 


This and the fact that as a Dwarf you don't get Anora/Alistair to send as many troops as they would if you ask em for a boon, is one of the reasons I go with the DR ( Having a God as my very own child is just a big + )

That said, doing US or letting Alistair/Loghain do it, is the most touching moment in the entire game.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 01:02

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US is pretty depressing. Seeing your own funeral...

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 01:36

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I was sad when my first Dalish did the ultimate sacrifice, and I saw how sad Leliana was, and how emotional alistair was, but then I smiled hearing the Keeper from my tribe so happily accept a new home. Even in death my Warden got something for his tribe. Really touching ending, plus the music kicks you in the gut too.



The DR ending is more meh to me, its like yah I won, the end. Not very emotional to me.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 01:54

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I've only done the US once and that Warden was a very broken character - a little elf mage who scarcely understood the world outside the Tower and was overwhelmed by the frustrations and challenges of trying to unite everyone. She lost her sense of self, so death was a welcome release. But still it felt weird entering Fort Drakon knowing that, win or lose, I was not coming out alive. And I had romanced Leliana, so then there was her...disapperance. I haven't done that ending again.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 01:59

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I don't care much for the ultimate sacrifice ending. I can have Loghain doing it because the last noble act of the fallen hero is poetic, but even then the fact that the Warden's soul is destroyed is a bit unsettling. . 


This and the fact that as a Dwarf you don't get Anora/Alistair to send as many troops as they would if you ask em for a boon, is one of the reasons I go with the DR ( Having a God as my very own child is just a big + )

That said, doing US or letting Alistair/Loghain do it, is the most touching moment in the entire game.

Why do you think they don't send as many troops if you're dead? I don't recall seeing anything about that. And since Anora/Alistair say that they've talked to the King and they will be sending troops it makes me think that if the King is Harrowmont they actually convince him of it so he doesn't squander the boon and have them pass out medical supplies. Posted Image

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 03:25

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Well...if you are alive as DN Alistair/Anora states that Fereldan is going to aid the dwarves with Fereldan's FULL military support, while at the funeral they state that Fereldan is going to send men, which could mean a few hundred while the full army would be numbering in the thousands.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 03:51

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I liked the sacrifice story, but none of the characters I like ever do it because I don't want them dying, I've only ever seen it when I tried testing all the endings on a character I didn't really like. I made a HN with the intention of being all honorable and taking the sacrifice but it ended up being my first Loghain-redeemer instead.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 03:55

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I do like the US ending, though I don't choose it as a canon ending. I have a save where I can watch it when I feel the need to be sad.



And now with tmp's added scene... *weeps*

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 06:40

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Suron wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

Yes, the DR ending feels cheap and anti-climatic to me too. Like the scene where your character is plunging his/her sword into the archdemon and it is supposed to be all awesome and climatic...well it is if your Warden is actually dying at that point. Otherwise the huge explosion and everyone looking at it with wonder and worry and asking at what cost was the Blight defeated just seems out of place.

Now I am really itching to make another character and do the US ending again! It's been awhile.


yah because if you take the DR it is assured that morrigan and the baby will see good ends right...amirite?

please, the "at what cost" easily fits, and fits well for the DR ending...because what will morrigan do with that child? despite what morrigan TRIES to do with the child...with it having the essence of an old-god in it....what will that child do?

at what cost did the warden defeat the blight and survive?  when that child may be the very thing that allows the darskpawn to win in the end..or vise-versa

and lacks emotion? yah because the GW dying is the ONLY reason why people are emotional about the blight being defeated...I mean that whole being killed, turned into ghouls, broodmothers for the ladies, etc means NOTHING right? amirite?

don't be stupid.


No, I don't think the DR ending is as emotional.  That doesn't mean it doesn't have its merits, especially if the Warden was romancing Morrigan...then it is quite a nice bittersweet ending and one I have done a few times.  Of course this probably says as much about me as it does any of the endings.  I like sad endings because they make me feel more than happy endings do.  And that is not stupid, people can like different things without it being stupid. 

On a slightly different note, I agree that in the game as a stand-alone story the US fits the best.  It is the beginning and end of a Warden's life and story.  It DOES have closure.  Of course the Warden's story can continue in Awakenings and might continue in other EPs and sequels, but that is what mutiple endings are for.  I've done both the DR ending and the US ending (I don't like to make other people sacrifice their lives so I have never done the Logain or Alistair endings) and like I said both have their merits, but to me the US ending is so much more satisfying.  It was so well done in my opinion. 

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 06:49

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dream_operator23 wrote...

I've done both the DR ending and the US ending (I don't like to make other people sacrifice their lives so I have never done the Logain or Alistair endings) and like I said both have their merits, but to me the US ending is so much more satisfying.  It was so well done in my opinion. 

Loghain and Alistair volunteer to make the US.  Loghain wants to do it as his act of redemption.  Alistair wants to do it for various reasons, the most noble of which is if he is in love with your warden  - then he will insist.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 07:08

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DWSmiley wrote...

dream_operator23 wrote...

I've done both the DR ending and the US ending (I don't like to make other people sacrifice their lives so I have never done the Logain or Alistair endings) and like I said both have their merits, but to me the US ending is so much more satisfying.  It was so well done in my opinion. 

Loghain and Alistair volunteer to make the US.  Loghain wants to do it as his act of redemption.  Alistair wants to do it for various reasons, the most noble of which is if he is in love with your warden  - then he will insist.


I meant me as a player making them sacrifice their lives, I know in the game they want to.  I could see letting Logain do it more than Alistiar, becaue Logain would be making up for all of his mistakes and saving his country for real this time. 

Also I just want to reiterate that I am not saying that people that like the DR ending are cheating which is what maybe made some people mad here.  I don't think it is cheating at all and in fact believe that it is the canon ending because it makes for the introduction of more story.  I was just trying to spell out exactly how I felt after completing the game last night with a Warden doing the DR ending with Morrigan who was not romancing her (so there was none of that romance angst involved).  It just felt flat to me.  It's like rah-rah, I'm the big hero and now all of my friends are leaving me and I...just didn't like it.  Especially when Sten told me that in Qunari culture the big hero is a big hero after he dies.  It just made me miss doing the US ending. 

Also I can totally see why someone that wants to marry Alistair and be queen would much prefer the DR ending to the US one.  I never romance Alistiair though and I rarely play female characters, so that ending never applies to me.

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Posté 15 juin 2010 - 07:11

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I kind of wish I had made that choice on my first PC. The Dark Ritual decision was agonizing for him, but ultimately I decided he had suffered so much and was so tired that he felt he and Alistair deserved a little reward for everything they had gone through.



With my current PC, I don't think it would make any senseto refuse Morrigan's offer. She gets along well with Morrigan and hates the chantry (in fact she sided with the cult of Andraste and became a blood mage), so she's not as leery of trusting Morrigan and letting an old god into the world as my original Warden.

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