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[Rhys Cordelle]

Aren't each and every one of these Dragonlings (the females, anyway) capable of growing up and starting their own Blight? Why the hang haven't they been eradicated?

[Herr Uhl]

No.

Edit: Why? Because I highly doubt that old gods are simply old dragons.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 15 juin 2010 - 04:07 .

[joey_mork84]

Dragons aren't the same as an archdemon, even though the form an archdemon takes is that of a dragon.. So, no..

[Rhys Cordelle]

Errr, what? Archdemons ARE dragons, they don't just take that form.



Dragonlings, given enough time, become High Dragons. What is there to suggest that the archdemons are anything other than corrupted high dragons? Or that the Old Gods are anything other than High Dragons for that matter?



There's a high dragon that's worshipped by a cult that has intermeshed andrastian teachings with the old tevinter beliefs. It stands to reason that the old gods are no different.

[joey_mork84]

It's said in the story that an old god takes the form of (or possesses.. not sure which) a high dragon. Yes, the archdemon is a dragon, but that doesn't mean that every dragon WILL become an archdemon.

EDIT: Copied directly from the DA Wiki-- "Archdemons are the Old
Gods manifested in the form of powerful and terrifying dragons and
tainted by darkspawn."

Modifié par joey_mork84, 15 juin 2010 - 04:20 .

[Herr Uhl]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Errr, what? Archdemons ARE dragons, they don't just take that form.

Dragonlings, given enough time, become High Dragons. What is there to suggest that the archdemons are anything other than corrupted high dragons? Or that the Old Gods are anything other than High Dragons for that matter?

There's a high dragon that's worshipped by a cult that has intermeshed andrastian teachings with the old tevinter beliefs. It stands to reason that the old gods are no different.

It does?

Why would Morrigan make such a big fuzz about the soul of a dragon in that case?

And why would these dragons be buried deep underground?

An archdemon is an corrupted dragon, what an Old God is is uncertain, and it is those that "sing" (or whatever they call it).

[Rhys Cordelle]

I think you're confusing old god with archdemon. The dragons were worshipped as gods by the tevinter imperium. It is those dragons who now slumber, until they are corrupted by the darkspawn taint and become archdemons. While it's true that not every dragon will necessarily become an archdemon, each one of them is at risk of corruption.

[Rhys Cordelle]

"In Dragon Age: The Calling, it is revealed that there is a particular relation between darkspawn and the slumbering Old Gods. The darkspawn taint is linked with the ancient dragons, all darkspawn constantly hearing the call of the Old Gods. It is presumed that as the fall of the magisters occurred—and they were transformed into the first darkspawn—the link between them and the insidious Old Gods who had tricked them into sinning against the Maker remained. Hearing their call, the darkspawn search for the Old Gods continuously. When they find one, they corrupt it and it becomes an archdemon, proceeding to command them into a horde and unleash a new Blight. "



"Old Gods are beings that were worshipped by a significant number of Thedosians, specifically the mages of the Tevinter Imperium, thousands of years ago. The mages worshipped them in the form of dragons. Legend holds that it was the Old Gods who initially taught mages how to use magic. Some believe archdemons to be the sleeping Old Gods corrupted by the darkspawn. "



Ok, so this suggests that only the dragons that were made to slumber can become archdemons. Good to know.

[joey_mork84]

Check out the link I provided.. It will clear it up for ya'.

[1xs3thx1]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I think you're confusing old god with archdemon. The dragons were worshipped as gods by the tevinter imperium. It is those dragons who now slumber, until they are corrupted by the darkspawn taint and become archdemons. While it's true that not every dragon will necessarily become an archdemon, each one of them is at risk of corruption.

I agree they all hold a risk of corruption, but who will eradicate them? Certainly not the Tevinter Imperium for they hold them in such high regard. Orlais cares only about the maker and itself. The Dwarves have enough trouble surviving the darkspawn without making all out war on Dragon Kind. The Dalish elves are not welcome anywhere, and if they were to start genocide they would probably be wiped out by whatever country's land they're in. That leaves the Grey Wardens. They are on constant vigilance for a blight and their numbers are not high enough to potentially waste them on an assumption that all Dragons are capable of becoming an Arch Demon.

[Herr Uhl]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

I agree they all hold a risk of corruption, but who will eradicate them? Certainly not the Tevinter Imperium for they hold them in such high regard.

Where did you pull that one from?

[BelSirk]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I think you're confusing old god with archdemon. The dragons were worshipped as gods by the tevinter imperium. It is those dragons who now slumber, until they are corrupted by the darkspawn taint and become archdemons. While it's true that not every dragon will necessarily become an archdemon, each one of them is at risk of corruption.

I agree they all hold a risk of corruption, but who will eradicate them? Certainly not the Tevinter Imperium for they hold them in such high regard. Orlais cares only about the maker and itself. The Dwarves have enough trouble surviving the darkspawn without making all out war on Dragon Kind. The Dalish elves are not welcome anywhere, and if they were to start genocide they would probably be wiped out by whatever country's land they're in. That leaves the Grey Wardens. They are on constant vigilance for a blight and their numbers are not high enough to potentially waste them on an assumption that all Dragons are capable of becoming an Arch Demon.

Actually, killing the dragons will be pretty easy, the dragons where almost death until the age where ocurr the fifth blight (Dragon Age, DAH!) so, it's easy kill the dragonlings... well not the highdragons...

[1xs3thx1]

Herr Uhl wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

I agree they all hold a risk of corruption, but who will eradicate them? Certainly not the Tevinter Imperium for they hold them in such high regard.

Where did you pull that one from?

Allow me to rephrase that.

They used to hold them in high regard. If anyone knows the true power of Dragons it is the Tevinter Imperium. They probably do not wish to go to war with something they used to worship. The Old Gods (Dragons) taught them blood magic the source of all their power.

[Herr Uhl]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Allow me to rephrase that.

They used to hold them in high regard. If anyone knows the true power of Dragons it is the Tevinter Imperium. They probably do not wish to go to war with something they used to worship. The Old Gods (Dragons) taught them blood magic the source of all their power.

No, they were taught blood magic by demons. Old gods supposedly taught them magic.

And Tevinter is Andrastian, though in another way than Orlais/Nevarra/Antiva/Anderfells/Free Marches/Ferelden.

They worshiped them about a millennium ago, it's not like old men talk about the good old days. And they very much didn't care the last time dragons were almost extinct by Nevarran dragon hunters.

[1xs3thx1]

Herr Uhl wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Allow me to rephrase that.

They used to hold them in high regard. If anyone knows the true power of Dragons it is the Tevinter Imperium. They probably do not wish to go to war with something they used to worship. The Old Gods (Dragons) taught them blood magic the source of all their power.

No, they were taught blood magic by demons. Old gods supposedly taught them magic.

And Tevinter is Andrastian, though in another way than Orlais/Nevarra/Antiva/Anderfells/Free Marches/Ferelden.

They worshiped them about a millennium ago, it's not like old men talk about the good old days. And they very much didn't care the last time dragons were almost extinct by Nevarran dragon hunters.

I never said they cared, I said they did not wish to engage them personally.

Also, it was the Dragons that caused the first sin. Since the old gods caused so much manipulation the Tevinter Imperium probably does want Dragons extinct, but they're probably too afraid of being corrupted again to do it personally.

Also, we appear to be going off-topic. I merely stated that the Tevinter Imperium does not wish to defeat the Dragons personally. You appear to wish to go off topic about why the Tevinter Imperium no longer worships Dragons which is irrelevant.

Modifié par 1xs3thx1, 15 juin 2010 - 05:02 .

[Herr Uhl]

What are you talking about now? Why would they be afraid of dragons "corrupting" them?



And why would someone from Tevinter be more afraid of it than someone from say, Antiva? All of Thedas was Tevinter back then.

[1xs3thx1]

Herr Uhl wrote...

What are you talking about now? Why would they be afraid of dragons "corrupting" them?

And why would someone from Tevinter be more afraid of it than someone from say, Antiva? All of Thedas was Tevinter back then.

When did I say they were more afraid?

Please stop misinterpreting me. 0.0

I shall make this very clear:

Nobody wants to have to wipe out the Dragons themselves.

I am merely giving reason for why Tevinter does not.

Anitiva probably doesn't because all they care about is money and survival.

[Rhys Cordelle]

The old gods causing the tevinter mages to enter the golden city is what the chantry claim, but may not necessarily be accurate.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

A little off topic, but I always wondered why baby dragons were on the fourth floor of the Circle Tower. They raising them? A Dragon swoop in real quick lay some eggs while the whole abomination stuff was going on? I just remember when I first got there I was like baby dragons wtf.

[Herr Uhl]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

A little off topic, but I always wondered why baby dragons were on the fourth floor of the Circle Tower. They raising them? A Dragon swoop in real quick lay some eggs while the whole abomination stuff was going on? I just remember when I first got there I was like baby dragons wtf.

Yes, that was very odd. Might have been there for study, anything that can spew fire would be interesting subjects.

I don't think that the chantry-ruled tower would breed dragons, or that the libertarians could hide them from the templars.

But then again, they had giant spiders in their magical supply shed (I wonder what they ate).

[Mdfitz]

another question why are they in the mage tower?

[Lord Gremlin]

Mdfitz wrote...

another question why are they in the mage tower?

Mages probably breed them? Male dragons aren't very big, they probably make good pets (male dragons are often encountered in the game, for example in werewolf-inhabited ruins in the Brecilian forest).
As for females, mages probably throw them in the street when they grow too big. And here you have those risen Andrastes etc.

As for dragon and Old Gods, don't mix em. Humans aren't same as monkeys, Old Gods aren't same as dragons. You can't make a democrat of monkey, you can't make Archdemon of a dragon.

[Behindyounow]

I thought it was left intentionally ambiguous as to whether or not Old gods are dragons.

For one thing, the Archdemon is a 'he', but only Female dragons get wings. So maybe Old Gods really are gods, or are just a special type of dragon where the males get wings.

Modifié par Behindyounow, 15 juin 2010 - 10:00 .

[Suron]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Errr, what? Archdemons ARE dragons, they don't just take that form.

Dragonlings, given enough time, become High Dragons. What is there to suggest that the archdemons are anything other than corrupted high dragons? Or that the Old Gods are anything other than High Dragons for that matter?

There's a high dragon that's worshipped by a cult that has intermeshed andrastian teachings with the old tevinter beliefs. It stands to reason that the old gods are no different.

yo...learn to comprehend.

it's explained MORE THEN ONCE in game that Old God = High Dragon but High Dragon =/= Old God

old gods look like a high dragon yes..but Old gods are imprisoned beneath the earth, giving out a call to the darkspawn....a high dragon does no such thing.

an old god may be a high dragon (or they just take the form of one) but that in NO WAY means any high dragon would be corrupted into an archdemon.

if you pay ANY sort of attention to the game it tells you this multiple times.

so if you wanna argue a point..don't look like a ****** while trying to do it.

Can't argue with something so plainly spelled for you by not only the game itself, but has been said by Gaider multiple times as well.

[Eudaemonium]

When has Gaider actually confirmed that? I'm just curious, since I was always under the impression that it was left intentionally ambiguous in some respects. The only thing that really confirms the Archdemons being anything other than high dragons sleeping in caves far underground is the Call, which we don't really know much about. Everytihng else is just in-game superstition and history, which might be right or wrong. We don't really know *what* makes an Old God different from a normal high dragon, other than they used to be worshipped by Tevinter, and, perhaps most interestingly, are apparently male.



@Lord Gremlin: The Dragon in the Brecilian forest is female, as is the one in Orzammar. The male ones are Drakes (of which there are 6-7 in the game depending on your choices). The growth cycle goes Dragonling, Drake (M) or Dragon (F) - then lucky Dragons may grow into High Dragons (F). Presumably if they eat enough sheep and don't get killed by passing adventurers.