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[DWSmiley]

Eudaemonium wrote...

The growth cycle goes Dragonling, Drake (M) or Dragon (F) - then lucky Dragons may grow into High Dragons (F). Presumably if they eat enough sheep and don't get killed by passing adventurers.

And cows.  Lots of dead cows in the mountain caves and elsewhere; nary a live one anywhere.  Old Tegrin has an ox to pull his cart and that's it.  Bodahn makes Sandal pull their cart around, it seems - the scoundrel.

[BelSirk]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

What are you talking about now? Why would they be afraid of dragons "corrupting" them?

And why would someone from Tevinter be more afraid of it than someone from say, Antiva? All of Thedas was Tevinter back then.

When did I say they were more afraid?

Please stop misinterpreting me. 0.0

I shall make this very clear:

Nobody wants to have to wipe out the Dragons themselves.

I am merely giving reason for why Tevinter does not.

Anitiva probably doesn't because all they care about is money and survival.

So, you are saying the carebears are the true archdemons ?:innocent:

[Rhys Cordelle]

Suron wrote...
yo...learn to comprehend.

it's explained MORE THEN ONCE in game that Old God = High Dragon but High Dragon =/= Old God

old gods look like a high dragon yes..but Old gods are imprisoned beneath the earth, giving out a call to the darkspawn....a high dragon does no such thing.

an old god may be a high dragon (or they just take the form of one) but that in NO WAY means any high dragon would be corrupted into an archdemon.

if you pay ANY sort of attention to the game it tells you this multiple times.

so if you wanna argue a point..don't look like a ****** while trying to do it.

Can't argue with something so plainly spelled for you by not only the game itself, but has been said by Gaider multiple times as well.

Wow. What a jackass. If you can point out to me where it's explained in the game that High Dragons and Old Gods are not the same thing, I'd love to know. Based on what I had read in and out of the game (which, surprisingly, doesn't include every single statement ever made by David Gaider), I had no reason to believe that there was any difference between High Dragons and Old Gods. As far as I could tell, the Tevinter Imperium were worshipping High Dragons as if they were gods, much like what we see in the urn of sacred ashes quest.

[Behindyounow]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Suron wrote...
yo...learn to comprehend.

it's explained MORE THEN ONCE in game that Old God = High Dragon but High Dragon =/= Old God

old gods look like a high dragon yes..but Old gods are imprisoned beneath the earth, giving out a call to the darkspawn....a high dragon does no such thing.

an old god may be a high dragon (or they just take the form of one) but that in NO WAY means any high dragon would be corrupted into an archdemon.

if you pay ANY sort of attention to the game it tells you this multiple times.

so if you wanna argue a point..don't look like a ****** while trying to do it.

Can't argue with something so plainly spelled for you by not only the game itself, but has been said by Gaider multiple times as well.

Wow. What a jackass. If you can point out to me where it's explained in the game that High Dragons and Old Gods are not the same thing, I'd love to know. Based on what I had read in and out of the game (which, surprisingly, doesn't include every single statement ever made by David Gaider), I had no reason to believe that there was any difference between High Dragons and Old Gods. As far as I could tell, the Tevinter Imperium were worshipping High Dragons as if they were gods, much like what we see in the urn of sacred ashes quest.

It never says High Dragons are old Gods, and it never says High Dragons aren't old gods. Its left ambiguous.

[Erani]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

A little off topic, but I always wondered why baby dragons were on the fourth floor of the Circle Tower. They raising them? A Dragon swoop in real quick lay some eggs while the whole abomination stuff was going on? I just remember when I first got there I was like baby dragons wtf.

hahaha, I also was like wtf because during the mage origin story you don't see any lil dragons or any place where they would be kept and I'm not sure how the blood mages could have gotten their hands on dragon eggs...

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

If you can point out to me where it's explained in the game that High Dragons and Old Gods are not the same thing, I'd love to know.

http://dragonage.wik...x_Entry:_Dragon

http://dragonage.wik...ntry:_Archdemon

Both of these can be found in your game, provided you encountered the correct codex points. There doesn't seem to be anything suggesting that High Dragons are Archdemons/Old Gods, although the latter are draconic in appearance and reside deep beneath the earth until corrupted by darkspawn.

[snfonseka]

There were seven old gods and five of them are dead. So there are only two remaining old gods (which means the maximum of possible blights in the future is 2).



But there are more than 2 high dragons in the DA world. So that implies Not Every High Dragon is an Old God.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

You're going on the concept that the archdemons actually ARE Old Gods, and there are only seven of them. What we 'know' might not be accurate, or true.

[snfonseka]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

You're going on the concept that the archdemons actually ARE Old Gods, and there are only seven of them. What we 'know' might not be accurate, or true.

This is not a concept. The codex clear stated that "Archdemons are Old Gods that are affected by taint". Also according to the codex "There were seven old gods".

Modifié par snfonseka, 16 juin 2010 - 08:49 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

So?

Have you checked out the codex entries on elves? You get different information depending on whether you're a city elf, human/dwarf or Dalish. Same goes for some other codex entries, like the Dalish tattoos.

We know from the very beginning of the game that what darkspawn and old gods are was defined by the Chantry. Nothing says they are right, just that it's accepted.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 16 juin 2010 - 08:51 .

[snfonseka]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

So?

Have you checked out the codex entries on elves? You get different information depending on whether you're a city elf, human/dwarf or Dalish. Same goes for some other codex entries, like the Dalish tattoos.

We know from the very beginning of the game that what darkspawn and old gods are was defined by the Chantry. Nothing says they are right, just that it's accepted.

In that case the developers need to change the given codex entries. Based on the codex enties given by Bioware, I have given my anwser.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I don't think you're getting the point. Information can be dependent on your background, and history is *always* influenced by whoever wrote it. You have to take things with a grain of salt, like your local newspaper. Why do you assume every scrap of information the game tells you is the unadulterated truth?

[Elhanan]

It has to do with a design perk based on level: proper scaling.....

*I slay me*

[Rhys Cordelle]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
There doesn't seem to be anything suggesting that High Dragons are Archdemons/Old Gods, although the latter are draconic in appearance and reside deep beneath the earth until corrupted by darkspawn.

I know that. My angle was, just as you said, that everything should be taken with a grain of salt, because the lore is largely based on chantry teachings, which may or may not be the truth.

I am not suggesting that high dragons are old gods, I am suggesting that "old gods" are nothing more than high dragons that were once worshipped. However, based on the information regarding the old gods, it seems that there is a difference.



This does pose an interesting issue though. What would happen if the darkspawn corrupted a high dragon?

Modifié par Rhys Cordelle, 16 juin 2010 - 10:49 .

[BelSirk]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I don't think you're getting the point. Information can be dependent on your background, and history is *always* influenced by whoever wrote it. You have to take things with a grain of salt, like your local newspaper. Why do you assume every scrap of information the game tells you is the unadulterated truth?

Actually, just some little codex  entries are changed by the origins, but could be the general Lore (the one introduced by the codex on DA:O) isn't correct because some writes like mesh with us.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

This does pose an interesting issue though. What would happen if the darkspawn corrupted a high dragon?

Interesting idea! Can dragons be affected by blight-sickness, as animals are? Can they become ghouls? Could a female be turned into a broodmother?

[Herr Uhl]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

This does pose an interesting issue though. What would happen if the darkspawn corrupted a high dragon?

Interesting idea! Can dragons be affected by blight-sickness, as animals are? Can they become ghouls? Could a female be turned into a broodmother?

I don't think dragons are intelligent enough to become broodmothers (I think intelligence is a limiting factor as I see no reason why there wouldn't be any "bearlocks" otherwise). Afflicted by blight sickness though, probably.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

This does pose an interesting issue though. What would happen if the darkspawn corrupted a high dragon?

Interesting idea! Can dragons be affected by blight-sickness, as animals are? Can they become ghouls? Could a female be turned into a broodmother?

I don't think dragons are intelligent enough to become broodmothers (I think intelligence is a limiting factor as I see no reason why there wouldn't be any "bearlocks" otherwise). Afflicted by blight sickness though, probably.

I'd be more inclined to think the darkspawn only target humanoid races, personally. Sentience/intelligence might be an issue, but I'm unsure how dragons actually rate in DA. Is it impossible to communicate with them? The dragon cultists believed they could.

[Herr Uhl]

Dragons are supposedly about the same as dolphins according to the devs.

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Some forumite wrote...
We know Dragons are very powerful creatures descended from Gods, and highly magical in nature. I wonder if we'll get to talk to them, or if they can even converse.

Dragons are not descended from gods. They are not highly magical in nature. And they don't talk. They are cunning animals. Like someone else mentioned, they are similar to dolphins that will eat you.

Why won't this idea of magical talking dragons die? Why won't it die?!

Linkie.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 17 juin 2010 - 12:51 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Dragons are supposedly about the same as dolphins according to the devs.

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Some forumite wrote...
We know Dragons are very powerful creatures descended from Gods, and highly magical in nature. I wonder if we'll get to talk to them, or if they can even converse.

Dragons are not descended from gods. They are not highly magical in nature. And they don't talk. They are cunning animals[/i]. Like someone else mentioned, they are similar to dolphins that will eat you.

Why won't this idea of magical talking dragons die? Why won't it die?!

Linkie.

Awesome. Thank you!

Edit: Oh, and after numerous Bioware titles with magical talking dragons...is it any wonder the idea won't die?

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 17 juin 2010 - 01:05 .

[BelSirk]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

This does pose an interesting issue though. What would happen if the darkspawn corrupted a high dragon?

Interesting idea! Can dragons be affected by blight-sickness, as animals are? Can they become ghouls? Could a female be turned into a broodmother?

Well... There are the two dragons thrall on the final fight... but not sure if they were controlled by the archdemon or were with the blight... And the Architect had 2 dragons too under his control (or maybe he just feed them witouth having any control?)