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[dreman9999]

dan107 wrote...

What I don't understand is why you punch Archer in the renegade option. Essentially you're saying that this experiment, while terrible, is worth the price so you'll let him continue, but then you punch him just for kicks? What's the point of that?

Also, all the options, including the renegade, portrayed Shepard as absolutely horrified by what he saw. I don't appreciate having emotion forced on me like that. Where's the cool-headed, "Oh well, sh*t happens. Better luck next time, chap." option?

You punched him because the tests was still  horrible and that was the only way to punish him with out killing him.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

dan107 wrote...

What I don't understand is why you punch Archer in the renegade option. Essentially you're saying that this experiment, while terrible, is worth the price so you'll let him continue, but then you punch him just for kicks? What's the point of that?

Also, all the options, including the renegade, portrayed Shepard as absolutely horrified by what he saw. I don't appreciate having emotion forced on me like that. Where's the cool-headed, "Oh well, sh*t happens. Better luck next time, chap." option?

archer is responsible for every accident, incident, and deaths at the cerberus station... nearly killed his own brother... archer was the cause of every thing going wrong, not his brother.

it shouldn't have been a punch to the face... yet a shot to chest plus a bullet through archer's head. archer shot at shepard twice and shepard's fictional character only slapped archer's hand like a girl.

archer's character = full of ****.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 17 juin 2010 - 09:48 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

dreman9999 wrote...

dan107 wrote...

What I don't understand is why you punch Archer in the renegade option. Essentially you're saying that this experiment, while terrible, is worth the price so you'll let him continue, but then you punch him just for kicks? What's the point of that?

Also, all the options, including the renegade, portrayed Shepard as absolutely horrified by what he saw. I don't appreciate having emotion forced on me like that. Where's the cool-headed, "Oh well, sh*t happens. Better luck next time, chap." option?

You punched him because the tests was still  horrible and that was the only way to punish him with out killing him.

yet he tried to kill you, shooting you twice. yeah, punch him as punishment... or get a silly flashlight saber... slap him with some glittery disco lights or something... don't shoot his ass or anything. better yet, using puddy or silly yawn in a can are far more appropriate punishments... yeah... that'll show him. it's like giving a evil mad architect scientist of diabolical domination the chair for his crimes against civilization.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 17 juin 2010 - 10:00 .

[dreman9999]

Mesina2 wrote...

Wrexdot wrote...

Of course i left him. There are more important things than one human.

Dude, if you have Legion and you brainwashed or killed Heretics at base, keeping him to Cerberus is just pointless.

Their is no garruntee the they will be no war with the geth. Even with Legion,it's clear the humanity and other race will eventully attack the geth one way or another. Even if Legion told the entire universe that the geth want peace and it was a different group of geth that attacked the citideal, would people listen? What if that attact that will evetully happen make the geth diside the organics are too dangerous and coexistance is imposible and declare war on the universe?
You may was peace and know it's possible but the other races and humans don't.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

dreman9999 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Wrexdot wrote...

Of course i left him. There are more important things than one human.

Dude, if you have Legion and you brainwashed or killed Heretics at base, keeping him to Cerberus is just pointless.

Their is no garruntee the they will be no war with the geth. Even with Legion,it's clear the humanity and other race will eventully attack the geth one way or another. Even if Legion told the entire universe that the geth want peace and it was a different group of geth that attacked the citideal, would people listen? What if that attact that will evetully happen make the geth diside the organics are too dangerous and coexistance is imposible and declare war on the universe?
You may was peace and know it's possible but the other races and humans don't.

ONE robot who's happier than the others want peace.... yup. geth like attacking your space station city, threatening billions of people there... invading your home planets to kidnap humans and turn them into cyborg zombies, and then suddenly they're a peaceful bunch, who's misunderstood... right. that's like super genocide hitler wanting to hug me and shake hands and like i'm a jew and all... "I didn't mean that stuff about kill all the jews, and let's cause the apocalypse... i'm a good guy, really. i'm sorry guys... let's be friends", some robot. "all we want to do is make as if all the space people who try and free and save people from the matrix, are evil criminals... we robots just want to blow up your space ships, space stations... and kill everyone onboard, aswell as kill everybody in the matrix as usual... we done nothing wrong... you're wrong for being human or a life form... illegal...evil... we're the good guys *says like a robot*", some robot... I'm going to call my robot roger leeroy stanford... 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 17 juin 2010 - 10:03 .

[CroGamer002]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Wrexdot wrote...

Of course i left him. There are more important things than one human.

Dude, if you have Legion and you brainwashed or killed Heretics at base, keeping him to Cerberus is just pointless.

Their is no garruntee the they will be no war with the geth. Even with Legion,it's clear the humanity and other race will eventully attack the geth one way or another. Even if Legion told the entire universe that the geth want peace and it was a different group of geth that attacked the citideal, would people listen? What if that attact that will evetully happen make the geth diside the organics are too dangerous and coexistance is imposible and declare war on the universe?
You may was peace and know it's possible but the other races and humans don't.

ONE robot who's happier than the others want peace.... yup. geth like attacking your space station city, threatening billions of people there... invading your home planets to kidnap humans and turn them into cyborg zombies, and then suddenly they're a peaceful bunch, who's misunderstood... right. that's like super genocide hitler wanting to hug me and shake hands and like i'm a jew and all... "I didn't mean that stuff about kill all the jews, and let's cause the apocalypse... i'm a good guy, really. i'm sorry guys... let's be friends", some robot. "all we want to do is make as if all the space people who try and free and save people from the matrix, are evil criminals... we robots just want to blow up your space ships, space stations... and kill everyone onboard, aswell as kill everybody in the matrix as usual... we done nothing wrong... you're wrong for being human or a life form... illegal...evil... we're the good guys *says like a robot*", some robot... I'm going to call my robot roger leeroy stanford... 

Did you even activated Legion?

[dreman9999]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Wrexdot wrote...

Of course i left him. There are more important things than one human.

Dude, if you have Legion and you brainwashed or killed Heretics at base, keeping him to Cerberus is just pointless.

Their is no garruntee the they will be no war with the geth. Even with Legion,it's clear the humanity and other race will eventully attack the geth one way or another. Even if Legion told the entire universe that the geth want peace and it was a different group of geth that attacked the citideal, would people listen? What if that attact that will evetully happen make the geth diside the organics are too dangerous and coexistance is imposible and declare war on the universe?
You may was peace and know it's possible but the other races and humans don't.

ONE robot who's happier than the others want peace.... yup. geth like attacking your space station city, threatening billions of people there... invading your home planets to kidnap humans and turn them into cyborg zombies, and then suddenly they're a peaceful bunch, who's misunderstood... right. that's like super genocide hitler wanting to hug me and shake hands and like i'm a jew and all... "I didn't mean that stuff about kill all the jews, and let's cause the apocalypse... i'm a good guy, really. i'm sorry guys... let's be friends", some robot. "all we want to do is make as if all the space people who try and free and save people from the matrix, are evil criminals... we robots just want to blow up your space ships, space stations... and kill everyone onboard, aswell as kill everybody in the matrix as usual... we done nothing wrong... you're wrong for being human or a life form... illegal...evil... we're the good guys *says like a robot*", some robot... I'm going to call my robot roger leeroy stanford... 

1.Are you agreeing with me? Because I was arguing ageinst peace with the Get.
2.Hertic geth did all the bad stuff.
3.Geth are programs that use robots to move about. They can jump from robot to robot.
4.All the none heritic geth choose Legion to go out to find sheperd soit's word is all the none heritic geths word.
5.Geth don't lie.
6. The problem with the war is the other races not the geth.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Mesina2 wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Wrexdot wrote...

Of course i left him. There are more important things than one human.

Dude, if you have Legion and you brainwashed or killed Heretics at base, keeping him to Cerberus is just pointless.

Their is no garruntee the they will be no war with the geth. Even with Legion,it's clear the humanity and other race will eventully attack the geth one way or another. Even if Legion told the entire universe that the geth want peace and it was a different group of geth that attacked the citideal, would people listen? What if that attact that will evetully happen make the geth diside the organics are too dangerous and coexistance is imposible and declare war on the universe?
You may was peace and know it's possible but the other races and humans don't.

ONE robot who's happier than the others want peace.... yup. geth like attacking your space station city, threatening billions of people there... invading your home planets to kidnap humans and turn them into cyborg zombies, and then suddenly they're a peaceful bunch, who's misunderstood... right. that's like super genocide hitler wanting to hug me and shake hands and like i'm a jew and all... "I didn't mean that stuff about kill all the jews, and let's cause the apocalypse... i'm a good guy, really. i'm sorry guys... let's be friends", some robot. "all we want to do is make as if all the space people who try and free and save people from the matrix, are evil criminals... we robots just want to blow up your space ships, space stations... and kill everyone onboard, aswell as kill everybody in the matrix as usual... we done nothing wrong... you're wrong for being human or a life form... illegal...evil... we're the good guys *says like a robot*", some robot... I'm going to call my robot roger leeroy stanford... 

Did you even activated Legion?

yeah, I wanted to blow up the geth robot base, since they attacked my citadel and all in M E 1...it's only fair... cause and effect... I believe in continuity and consistence. that was my only reason for using activated legion (infiltrator).
legion lied by the way, "geth do not infiltrate, we do not, the citadel security officer is lying... yet later on in the story we'll infiltrate the Geth base", lie. 

[DPSSOC]

I freed David, the whole scenario was a bit twisted, and the DLC finally forced me to ask myself the question, "Where does Cerberus find these people." I understand that exceptional ability can breed extreme personalities so it's not odd that Cerberus, in looking for the best of the best, would run into the odd evil genius, but they have got to be trying at this point. Overlord, Teltin, Akuze, the Rachni all run by, for lack of a better term, monsters.

[MrNose]

I don't value a humanity that condones torturing innocents for selfish reasons, so I put a stop to it.



Also, without a doubt, one way to provoke the geth is to try and control them. Cerberus is made up of idiots.

[Spectre_907]

DPSSOC wrote...

I freed David, the whole scenario was a bit twisted, and the DLC finally forced me to ask myself the question, "Where does Cerberus find these people." I understand that exceptional ability can breed extreme personalities so it's not odd that Cerberus, in looking for the best of the best, would run into the odd evil genius, but they have got to be trying at this point. Overlord, Teltin, Akuze, the Rachni all run by, for lack of a better term, monsters.

I agree that Cerberus hires monsters. I do not think the organization itself is monstrous. The Illusive Man just sees the experiments as a means to an end. He does not necessarily think they are a good idea but would not not argue if it gets results. He even says so in the message if you freed David. Most Cerberus cells became monstrous only after the Illusive Man ordered their projects to be shut down, becoming rogue cells out of desperation. If anything, I see Cerberus as reckless and overly Machiavellian than anything evil.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 18 juin 2010 - 06:41 .

[Gundar3]

Since Im roleplaying myself I was morally required to release David and take him to the academy. I loved the amount of emotion during the final scene and that something ACTUALLY happened to Shepard directly (entering the AI world) which draws the player in.



One thing I missed though... Wasnt the romance interest from Horizon supposed to make an appearance? I thought I read that in a small interview...

[dan107]

dreman9999 wrote...

dan107 wrote...

What I don't understand is why you punch Archer in the renegade option. Essentially you're saying that this experiment, while terrible, is worth the price so you'll let him continue, but then you punch him just for kicks? What's the point of that?

Also, all the options, including the renegade, portrayed Shepard as absolutely horrified by what he saw. I don't appreciate having emotion forced on me like that. Where's the cool-headed, "Oh well, sh*t happens. Better luck next time, chap." option?

You punched him because the tests was still  horrible and that was the only way to punish him with out killing him.

Yeah, but what if I didn't want to punish him? What if I though that the tests were necessary, and that's why I let him keep doing them. Why would you punch someone for doing something that you're happy to allow him to continue to do? It's the renegade option we're talking about here. I can see the punch being mandatory in the paragon sequence (which it wasn't), but it definitely should've been an interrupt in the renegade sequence.

[dan107]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
archer is responsible for every accident, incident, and deaths at the cerberus station... nearly killed his own brother... archer was the cause of every thing going wrong, not his brother.

it shouldn't have been a punch to the face... yet a shot to chest plus a bullet through archer's head. archer shot at shepard twice and shepard's fictional character only slapped archer's hand like a girl.

archer's character = full of ****.

He doesn't shoot you in the renegade dialogue. But even though we're coming from opposite directions here I think we can agree that the ending was unsatisfactory. You wanted to kill him, I wanted to pat him on the back and wish him better luck next time. Instead the only option we got was to see Shep almost break down in tears and then give Archer a slap on the wrist. All in a DLC that has absolutely no impact on the main story, so there's no conceivable reason to railroad the player into a certain path. Not very good game design IMO.

[LegionN1]

dreman9999 wrote...

LegionN1 wrote...

UpDownLeftRight wrote...

This thread is not about the Rachni queen. Discuss that in the ME 1 forum section.

LegionN1 wrote...

i thought the overlord DLC was extremely
boring, it was like the other AI mission on the moon in mass effect 1.
no new weapons, no new armour, nothing exciting at all, a waste of 560
microsoft points just so you can shut down a rogue AI, half the time it
felt like the missions you scan for on planets which themselves are
boring. DLC just doesnt match the quality of the game and its storyline.
if you want people to buy this trash at least give them what they pay
for. (ie) weapons armour, upgrades, things that are usefull and dont
look like the helmets from the equilizer pack, the helmets matched
nothing, looked like garbage, i still use the recon hood/ visor and
standard armour, because the armour looks and sucks on mas effect 2. how
about new hairstyles, armour weapons as DLC instead of poorly made
missions which bore you to death and make you want to give up.

Just a little curious. What did you want from this DLC?

what i wanted, well how about a mission that wasnt  extremely dull from start to finish, kasumis mission was one of the best dlc i have played. this was just annoying, no armour, no new tech and just geth and some annoying AI who played with the elevator. how fun. DLC has to be quality, a story that matters to mass effect, has something to do... like why were the collectors taking samples of multiple species in exchange for technology, that would be dlc worth downloading because it would be relevant to the story

........What setting did you play this on ? Because it was not boring  with so many geth shoved down your throut. And the story was deep and well written.
Also, your quetion on what the collecters were doing with the other species sample has been well over anwsered. Heck, did you even beat the game because after it their no more collecters left
And

ive beat the game 18 times, it not hard, its one of my favourite games, but the DLC just doesnt fill in the gaps for me, its dull, ive had enough with fighting geth in the first game let alone the second, some new enemys would be nice, like mass effect 1 where they introduced the batarians in the DLC, i dont see why they cant give us a new, extremely deadly, challenging enemy,

[Neuzhelin]

[quote]The Elite Elite wrote...

What the Reapers do to sentient life is irrelevent to what I'm talking about. You keep saying that won't the Rachni join forces with the rest of the galaxy to fight the Reapers for that same self-preservation that gets the queen to possible lie to Shep. The problem there is, I have no reason to think the Rachni know of the Reapers as a threat until the Reapers are actually here. So again, if they built up enough to fight the Reapers when they get here, so too could they fight the rest of organic life before they get here. I just don't see any logical reason to believe they'll be of any real help.

[/quote]


Okay, I can understand that you percieve it risky. The risk however is so neglectible and as I pointed out so illogical that it is meaningless to kill an entire specie because of it, especially when it can prove useful. You believe otherwise and thus I find it contradicting to your choice in preserving the collector base where the risk is not imaginary but very very real (a base dedicated to creating a living reaper and in the end you see 10 shuttles approaching it).

Redemption is one of the key words in the ME universe and I can safely assume that your analyses of the rachni was completely out of place as this ME2 dialogue shows:
If you pay attention you can see that every single point I made is, in fact correct. Yes, you can say you have no idea of knowing the future - but you CAN accept it as evidence.

Again, you keep repeting yourself and unless you post some real evidence or some key words in the rachni Quuen's speech pointing out some danger instead of repeating ancient questionable history, I can't bother to discuss it with you.

[quote]
Again, I don't get to find out that they are going to fight the Reapers because that happens in ME2, after you decide to kill her or release her. So again, I have no reason to really trust her supposed pledge of alligence to me. And if you're going to say we shouldn't really trust the council's history because it's one sided, then how can you trust any history book you had to read in school? As you pointed out history is written by the winners, so if we're going to question the council and if the Rachni were truely the bad guys they said they are, then why do you trust our historians that say how evil Hitler was or any other thing from the past?
[/quote]

I certainly hope you don't believe every single history reference. In history classes you should have learned that every source should be questioned (metalanguage: words as freedom fighter/terrorist, how arbitrary the data is, how valid it is judged by the writer and writers background etc. etc.). Try watching Fox News, Al-Jaezeera, or some Russian, Israeli, African coverage of the same event - it is VERY different. If you blindly trust any info you are handed, especially when you have first hand experience pointing otherwise, well it is a shame. You mention Hitler, say **** Germany won, don't you think the history provided would have been very different?



[quote]
I'd love to rely on myself and my own judgements but again, all I have is the history of the Rachni given to me by the council. I have nothing else to go on. Just because I distrust the council, doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly believe nothing they say. I'm not going to ignore the information that was given to me and just let the queen go because the council might have been wrong or less than accurate in their discription of the Rachni. In the end I trust the council more than I trust the Rachni queen.

[/quote]

That is exactly what you are not relying on. All other rachni encountered were controlled by queen. Queens were wiped out and not negotiated with before by Krogan (lore, talk to Avina near Krogan monument). You encounter the only encountered intelligent Rachni AND you base your decision on history that obviously has not even encountered any intelligent Rachni? That is foolish, barbaric and short sighted.



[/quote]
[quote]
I only provide Cerberus every single advantage because that's all the game lets you do. If I could have given things like the Collector Base to the Alliance instead of TIM, I would have. But again, my Shep would rather the scum human supremascist TIM get the tech, then us losing the tech forever because as long as the tech still exists, it has the potential of being used against the Reapers. If it doesn't exist, then it can't be used for anything. My Shep wants to find some way to defeat the Reapers more than she wants to keep TIM away from power.

[/quote]

So you admit the dangers of handing over technology to Cerberus. You, obviously also know what indoctrination does from Revelation, even to strong willed individuals as Saren. You might also aknowledge  that the story encourages to  find a technological way not predicted by the Reapers and you chose the HUGEST gamble presented in both games? This is where you lose me: the VERY questionable Rachni ecnounter (that is NOT exsistance at all, as you know from ME2, I'll give you that it is still THEORETICALLY possible playing, yet completely ILLOGICAL through ME1) with a solution that does not have the potential to end the world and the collector base unknowable, highly likely indoctrinating (as it is used to create reapers) in the hands of a tyrant is... not risky.. at all?



[quote]
Well, when you say end up like Saren, I take that to mean losing
since he dies. As for the mind-controlled people, I try to save them.
Unlike the Rachni, letting the colonists live isn't going to have any
possibility of becoming some kind of threat to the galaxy.
[/quote]

Okay, let me refrase that: Saren hungering for technology pre ME and towards the ending of Revelation. His death is irrelevant but his path is examplary and similar to your reasoning. You mentioned the time factor yourself and again contradict yourself with Rachni becomming the threat to the galaxy - there is no way they can expand, go rogue and be a problem as the Reaper fleet is already there.

I see it that same way with the: you can kill the colonists just to be "safe" (they are mind controlled by another Alien specie, similarly) or you can give them a chance to redeem themselves later in the game.


[quote]
I only provide Cerberus every single advantage because that's all
the game lets you do. If I could have given things like the Collector
Base to the Alliance instead of TIM, I would have. But again, my Shep
would rather the scum human supremascist TIM get the tech, then us
losing the tech forever because as long as the tech still exists, it has
the potential of being used against the Reapers. If it doesn't exist,
then it can't be used for anything. My Shep wants to find some way to
defeat the Reapers more than she wants to keep TIM away from power.
[/quote]


Again, irrelevant as your risks are not limited having an organisation like Cerberus, as the risks simply increase yet they were illogical to take already before. No matter what outcome is bad; worse: worst for the galaxy as a whole (not just a single race as with rachni). This is why I mentioned the Rachni choice to begin with - because it is so contradictive to the idea of a concistent - not psychotic Shepard as both deal with risks just on a very different levels.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 18 juin 2010 - 03:06 .

[Neuzhelin]

This thread is not about the Rachni queen. Discuss that in the ME 1
forum section.

I appologize if it got out of hand and I did with my first point, find it relevant to compare it to other backfiring/meaninglessly barbaric/dangerous renegade choices in both games. I can see clear parallels in those major decisions and it intrigued me that unlike with the other decisions this one was, close to unanimous.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 18 juin 2010 - 11:50 .

[Whailor]

SirRengeti wrote...

I've freed him too. Nobody deserves to be treated like that.

One Question: What is the result of the last paragon interruption? I missed it.

Paragon interrupt makes Shepard "pimp-slap" Archer with the gun and say that one bullet in that gun is reserved for Archer and he will also receive it should he ever go after David.

[KOKitten]

I freed David but had to shake my head when Shepard stated he'd be sent to Grissom Academy as he'd be safe there. "Sure," I thought, "It's not as if Cerberus has ever been able to sneak an operative into Grissom Academy before."

Shepard doesn't know any of that, of course, but I could see TIM thinking, "All right, let's work out a plan to get one of our own back in there."

[huntrrz]

Spectre_907 wrote...

I agree that Cerberus hires monsters. I do not think the organization itself is monstrous. The Illusive Man just sees the experiments as a means to an end. He does not necessarily think they are a good idea but would not not argue if it gets results. He even says so in the message if you freed David. Most Cerberus cells became monstrous only after the Illusive Man ordered their projects to be shut down, becoming rogue cells out of desperation. If anything, I see Cerberus as reckless and overly Machiavellian than anything evil.

The trouble is that Cerberus has repeatedly had problems with "rogue cells" and as far as we can tell, has done nothing to prevent them from happening again and again.

THAT'S what's evil - they don't care enough to fix things.

[Neuzhelin]

KOKitten wrote...

I freed David but had to shake my head when Shepard stated he'd be sent to Grissom Academy as he'd be safe there. "Sure," I thought, "It's not as if Cerberus has ever been able to sneak an operative into Grissom Academy before."
Shepard doesn't know any of that, of course, but I could see TIM thinking, "All right, let's work out a plan to get one of our own back in there."

Is it not logical that security levels would be elevated after Gillian's case, especially with K. Sanders supervising the place?

[The Elite Elite]

Neuzhelin wrote...

This thread is not about the Rachni queen. Discuss that in the ME 1
forum section.

I appologize if it got out of hand and I did with my first point, find it relevant to compare it to other backfiring/meaninglessly barbaric/dangerous renegade choices in both games. I can see clear parallels in those major decisions and it intrigued me that unlike with the other decisions this one was, close to unanimous.

Yeah, I guess we should stop. We seem to keep going in circles anyway, neither one of us convincing the other. (Or at least, I suppose I'm not doing a very good job stating why I think that at the time those particular choices seem to me to be the more logical choices, but again I do them full well knowing they're technically the bad choices. I mean come on, paragon is just ME's way of saying light side and renegade, dark side.) I'll let the thread go back to what it was supposed to be about.

[Neuzhelin]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Yeah, I guess we should stop. We seem to keep going in circles anyway, neither one of us convincing the other. (Or at least, I suppose I'm not doing a very good job stating why I think that at the time those particular choices seem to me to be the more logical choices, but again I do them full well knowing they're technically the bad choices. I mean come on, paragon is just ME's way of saying light side and renegade, dark side.) I'll let the thread go back to what it was supposed to be about.

You had some points worth considering, nevertheless I came to the same conclusion and you held your opinion as well. As you said, I doubt we can convince each other and will have to agree to disagree, as eventually, both of us kept going in circles.

Sure, Renegade path can be considered the dark side, but I believe it IS LOGICAL in many ways as it works towards strengthening humanity and removing, as you pointed out any possible threats (killing Rachni, killing the council, working towards sterilising the Krogan, enslaving/reducing the numbers of the Geth, providing Cerberus a Reaper base) thus working towards an all human domination regardless of the cost. I disagree with you, however that it is the safe way as I find it risky long term when it comes to the grand strategy. Fear is a powerful weapon but so is diplomacy.

I appreciate you kept it civil, while I had unconciously used some negative meta language towards you.

Thank you for the discussion.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 18 juin 2010 - 02:50 .

[HBC Dresden]

jkstexas2001 wrote...

Reminds me of X-men United - that general's son. The sad thing is, I have no doubt there are people who would do what they did to David to their own family members.

Woah, where did this come from? So your saying people would hook up their relatives to the Geth neural network so humans can control them? I mean, pessimism is no substitute to understand what people would do. Sending their relatives to an experimental study in the real world to help their condition is totally different than the torture David wen t through.

[Lord_Tirian]

dan107 wrote...
Not very good game design IMO.

Actually, it is. There is a limit of options you can put into a game if you want to finish it before the heat death of the universe.

So, you *have* to make choices what options to include. In previous BioWare game, it was often "Holy Saint" and "Puppy Incinerator". If you wanted to RP them as even remotely reasonable person, who didn't did EVIL ™ things for the lulz, it confined you to the overly good path.

So instead of using the two extremes on the scale of good <-> evil, they settled on limits closer to the middle. This allows a more reasonable portrayal of the non-good choices. Instead of having the choice between "Space Ghandi" and "Space Stalin", we have the choice between "Captain Picard" and "Space Jack Bauer".

Sure, it does exclude people who want to play "Space Stalin" - but instead we gain the ability to play "Space Jack Bauer". Frankly, making the "evil" choices to come across as more reasonable and less like a psychopatic, emotionless killer is a good choice that makes the "evil" path a lot more appealing.