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[Ashira Shepard]

I freed him. There was no reason to keep him hooked into that thing like a macabre puppet.



Besides that, already pissed off TIM with the base, utterly depise Cerberus; why the hell would I help them?



Well done on this DLC Bioware team, you got me angry and tearful (in a good way of course =P) Still wish squaddies had voices on this mission though.

[The Big Nothing]

This autism thing has me thinking, "Why is Gillian Grayson in Mass Effect?"



Wouldn't it be effing great if Shepard had to find Gillian Grayson in Mass Effect 3 because Mordin discovered that the autistic mind has some inexplicable resistance to Reaper indoctrination?

[didymos1120]

The Big Nothing wrote...

This autism thing has me thinking, "Why is Gillian Grayson in Mass Effect?"

Wouldn't it be effing great if Shepard had to find Gillian Grayson in Mass Effect 3 because Mordin discovered that the autistic mind has some inexplicable resistance to Reaper indoctrination?

I wouldn't mind either Kahlee Sanders or Hendel Mitra being a squaddie either.  I do think something like one of those happening is fairly likely. I mean, to start with, she's the thing everyone's after and/or trying to protect in the novel.  

Then we get Tali showing up on Freedom's Progress to find what might be a guy with the Quarian equivalent of autism, in the course of which Cerberus' bad history with the Flotilla is mentioned: a violent attempt to grab the autistic Gillian off a Quarian ship.

Later,  we go to the fleet and it's all about the political wrangling over diplomacy with the Geth, finding a new world, or launching a war to retake the homeworld. Well, Gillian is at that point on a Quarian ship that left the Flotilla in order to investigate the 'find a new world' option, and that only happened due to another political flare-up, triggered by her arrival, over the same issues. 

In any case, Gillian being on that ship is what's keeping her out of Cerberus' reach for the time being.  Now go do the "Quarian Crash Site" N7 assignment. What's the goal? Rescue the survivor of a survey team from that very same ship. 

Now, I can understand a reference or two to the novel, but that's actually quite a few, and they're basically all Gillian related. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 juin 2010 - 05:09 .

[Alanosborn1991]

Let him go, whoever doesnt has no soul whatsoever.



Tied up like that with poles through his arms, mouth, eyes, a crown like Jesus.



No matter what you gain from this it is not worth it and humans want to control Geth?



Hmm what happened to Quarians? That could be us nuking ourselves.



First time I did it was on my Wesker Renegade Shep so to stay true to it a left him hooked up.



Because Wesker needs to control all Geth for his army.

[Spectre_907]

wizardryforever wrote...

We're also making a pretty big assumption that Project Overlord will succeed if you continue David's torture.  Given how disastrously unsuccessful it was before now, there is no reason to believe that will change.

Yes there is. It only failed because the VI became too overwhelming for David to "merge" successfully and it became a virus affecting electronics. Fail-safe programs could be developed, interface or code redesign of the VI to prevent control, corrective actions could be seen and taken now after the incident to prevent any development of new viruses. An unsuccessful attempt could provide new insight into ways to fix it.

Heretic basic run-times allow for consequentialistic behavior in higher order processes rather than the more deontological type found in original geth, which is the so-called religious tendencies Gavin talks about. If Project Overlord met the specified goals of exploiting the religious tendencies of the heretics, it could affect only geth with those particular run times and not the entire race. Either that or be ineffective against the original geth.

wizardryforever wrote...

With the Heretic station, there are other concerns to consider, like the fact that the Heretics aren't the whole race, and the fact that they were planning on brainwashing the Geth before you show up.  So rewriting the Heretics has a bit more going for it than Project Overlord. 

Agreed. The dialogue during the mission on Aite suggests you know nothing about the original geth except for one line if you bring Legion along (which I did myself since I had already finished the main missions and needed the hacking talent since I play as an adept). Personally, I think they should have had additional dialogue if you had rewritten the heretics before with a third choice being to use David not for control of the geth but for better communication. Either that or explaining the schism to Gavin and how the project serves no end now. However, you could also use the idea that you want a more powerful geth faction under human control from rewriting the heretics. Either that or use Project Overlord as leverage against Daro'Xen. Looking at it from the scope of the game, Legion's loyalty mission was more well done than Overlord in terms of exploring the brainwashing aspect of a synthetic race.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 24 juin 2010 - 06:34 .

[FourSixEight]

Wow...that was a very powerful piece of DLC. In so many different ways.


I can understand why Archer wanted to keep him in there, in a sick kind of way, but really, if this is the kind of thing that has to be done to stop a geth war then I'll take my chances with uniting Legion and the Quarians in a grand union. What was at the center of the Atlas Station was just sick, and disturbing. I don't blame people for choosing the Renegade option, but at the time I just felt it was out-and-out evil. I ended up choosing the Paragon option as soon as it was available.

[Kenshen]

huntrrz wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

I let him go, keeping him the way he was just seemed... inhuman.
The Illusive Man's message at the end pissed me off though. He was more concerned with the data and how freeing David "...set us back several years." Well, **** you too, TIM.

Yep!  My thought was almost exactly the same - "I DON'T ****ING CARE."

(Hey, you guys who asked - THIS IS WHY WE BLOW UP THE COLLECTOR BASE.)

Yes this is why I blow up the collector base.  TIM may not be fully involved in each cells research but in every case we have seen there work goes well beyond human and justifiable.  We all know TIM would have build his own reaper and he would use humans cause it is what is best for humanity.  It will be a crime if we don't get the chance to put TIM down like the rabid dog he is in ME3.

[Dean_the_Young]

aryon69 wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

I let him go, keeping him the way he was just seemed... inhuman.
The Illusive Man's message at the end pissed me off though. He was more concerned with the data and how freeing David "...set us back several years." Well, **** you too, TIM.

Yep!  My thought was almost exactly the same - "I DON'T ****ING CARE."

(Hey, you guys who asked - THIS IS WHY WE BLOW UP THE COLLECTOR BASE.)

Yes this is why I blow up the collector base.  TIM may not be fully involved in each cells research but in every case we have seen there work goes well beyond human and justifiable.  We all know TIM would have build his own reaper and he would use humans cause it is what is best for humanity.  It will be a crime if we don't get the chance to put TIM down like the rabid dog he is in ME3.

So, one vote for the 'join the Reapers' group...

Justification is a matter of opinion, but nothing that Cerberus does is beyond human. Humanity has it's darker side, and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it vanish.

[Melra]

Not sure if it is already mentioned, but what happens if you don't do Paragon interrupt during the final scene?

[CroGamer002]

Melrache wrote...

Not sure if it is already mentioned, but what happens if you don't do Paragon interrupt during the final scene?

It's pretty much same only without nosebleed.

[Melra]

Have I been asleep during the whole scene, since on my run he just waved his gun at Archer's face. Maybe I missed the interrupt with split second then.

[Nubbe]

I'm a hardcore renegade but I had to release him.

It really got to me.



The only good mission in ME2.

[Melra]

Nubbe wrote...

I'm a hardcore renegade but I had to release him.
It really got to me.

The only good mission in ME2.

Yeah, I was actually bit ''shocked'' when I saw him first or really confused. The mission was the best, but I wouldn't call it the only good one. That's just matter of opinion though. 

[jmood88]

Nubbe wrote...


The only good mission in ME2.

lmao funny that you would keep a game that had no good missions and even more funny that you would pay for DLC

[nov_pl]

Freed him.

It was horrible watching him. I thought "maybe the project is more important?". *Looking at David*. Hell no.

I was hoping for breaking to Archer's legs -.-

[Bigdoser]

using the rewrite on the heretics is not brainwashing them all your doing is giving them a chance to think things over >_> Also i released him I can't leave anyone hooked up like that no matter how valuable the data is. Plus controlling the geth will not turn out well.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 17 juillet 2010 - 01:16 .

[IndigoWolfe]

As the older sibling to a special needs child myself, I can't see myself doing anything but freeing him.

[vader44]

I freed him for 2 reasons...

1. I dont want any bad decisions to carry onto ME3

2. His brother was torturing him, I had hoped I could shoot him!

[Zaxares]

I freed him on my Paragons, left him there on my Renegades. Personally though, I would free him, especially after talking to Legion and discovering that the majority of the Geth race do not share the heretic's beliefs and hostility towards organic races.

[Giggles_Manically]

Considering the geth wouldnt want to start a war since the more of their programs who died the stupider they would get. Meaning that eventually through attriton they would lose because they would become Varren level intelligent.



Besides the Geth want to build their Sphere anyway, and have an incredibly isiolationist outlook on their universe, if they want to be left alone, why should we bother with them?

[Giggles_Manically]

Shandepared wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Besides the Geth want to build their Sphere anyway, and have an incredibly isiolationist outlook on their universe, if they want to be left alone, why should we bother with them?

Their outlook could change or we could decide that annexing the Perseus Veil is in humanity's best interests.

Why would we decide that ousting an unknown group, or a giant gas cloud with unknown resource value be a good idea though? Besides since geth do not require ground or stations since they exist as data they dont need more territory since they can house their entire species on a single planet or their sphere( most likely an issue in ME3)

They only way I can see the geth want to move out is if they had few resources, but since they dont eat, the ME universe has renewable energy sources, and Geth exist in a data form rather than a physical form requiring more fuel I dont see resources being a problem.

[Hk47sPappy]

After living for years with my autistic brother, I could never make the renegade choice. It just hits too close to home.