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[Kitteh303]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The problem to me is that I believe Freedom of Choice trumps all and David didnt choose the experiment willingly.
If someone willingy went in I would let them stay, but the second someone wanted out I would let them. Reading On Liberty can change your outlook on a lot of things, trust me. 2 out of eight sheperds left him there but one is pro human, and the other is an uber Spetznas whatever it takes bloke (who scares me).

Where'd you get those figures? I'm just curious, is there data out about who chose what?

[Giggles_Manically]

The two out of eight are my own Shepards that I have played.

[Kitteh303]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The two out of eight are my own Shepards that I have played.

Ah. Bummer. I'd like to see official data, but I'm sure at least 70% freed him.

[Costin_Razvan]

I don't get it where Shepard had the idea that David did beg Archer to not start the experiment. Yes David begged to be released once it started....but Archer ordered his people to shut it down the second it went all wrong.

I just saw the whole DLC part with the flashbacks on youtube..."scratches head." Nice plot hole Bioware I suppose, and everything Shepard says is the word of God huh?

In all honesty when I saw the interaction between Shepard and Archer at the end I was very confused by some of Shepard's words..the renegade choice should have Shepard say Archer is an idiot ( because he did make a very stupid choice ) not a sick bastard but I suppose it makes a certain amount of sense.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 juillet 2010 - 04:57 .

[Estelindis]

I let him go. It was a seriously emotional moment, to see poor David like that! I really wanted to paragon-punch Archer (like in Zaeed's loyalty mission).



Incidentally, the visuals for the whole DLC were just amazing - and then the ending raised it to a whole new level. It was so horrible. But in a good, effective-story way...

[ToshiStation38]

Beat this today. Wow.



I was never completely against Cerberus, until now. This has sealed it that the Illusive Man is evil, and that he has to be dealt with. Such an emotionally powerful piece of content. Also, the animation of eyes in the last scene was very impressive, and added a ton.



Anyone else impressed with Meer's voice work in that final scene?

[Costin_Razvan]

"Laughs"

Out of curiosity do you think TIM ordered that to happen? No. That was all on Archer who didn't want TIM to shut down the project since it wasn't showing any results.

Blaming all of Cerberus for that is incredibly stupid. Yes he ordered Archer to find a way to try and control the Geth, but based on what we know of him in Jack's mission ( that he was about to shut down the project because he realized what they were doing ) we know that TIM while willing to do unethical decisions isn't one to do stupid choices and/or torture/kill people without solid reason.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 19 juillet 2010 - 08:38 .

[wulf3n]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

"Laughs"

Out of curiosity do you think TIM ordered that to happen?

I think TIM has more control than people give him credit for. It seems like there's all these projects and missions, where the people involved, either betray him, or go outside of his control. No i reckon he knows whats going on, and lets it continue, but pretends not to have any knowledge as a sort of "plausible deniability"

[ME-ParaShep]

xiiz wrote...

Bhatair wrote...

SirRengeti wrote...



One Question: What is the result of the last paragon interruption? I missed it.

Me too, I was hoping by skipping it you would shoot Archer

Me three! It was gone so quickly. ><

You punch him and he gets a pretty damn bloody nose lol.

[Asheer_Khan]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

"Laughs"

Out of curiosity do you think TIM ordered that to happen? No. That was all on Archer who didn't want TIM to shut down the project since it wasn't showing any results.

Blaming all of Cerberus for that is incredibly stupid. Yes he ordered Archer to find a way to try and control the Geth, but based on what we know of him in Jack's mission ( that he was about to shut down the project because he realized what they were doing ) we know that TIM while willing to do unethical decisions isn't one to do stupid choices and/or torture/kill people without solid reason.

"AH Yes... innocent TiM crewed up by his inept operatives" we have reject that claim

Akuze - sorry Shep, that was rogue cell...
Pragia (Jack) - look above
Murdering of Adm kahoku - again look at Akuze explanation
Overlord - same as above

and further and further....

I wonder when pro cerberus fanatics will accept truth that anything what is happened within Cerberus cells is NO MYSTERY FOR TiM ...
And really if he is so incompetent leader  to allowed any of such failures then perhaps it's timne for him to step down and appoint as Cerberus head someone who will BE ABLE to control what's going on within organization and end this "go rogue" movement whenever some experiment blown up in cerberus face..

[ToshiStation38]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

"Laughs"

Out of curiosity do you think TIM ordered that to happen? No. That was all on Archer who didn't want TIM to shut down the project since it wasn't showing any results.

Blaming all of Cerberus for that is incredibly stupid. Yes he ordered Archer to find a way to try and control the Geth, but based on what we know of him in Jack's mission ( that he was about to shut down the project because he realized what they were doing ) we know that TIM while willing to do unethical decisions isn't one to do stupid choices and/or torture/kill people without solid reason.

It's the e-mail that he sends afterwards that I'm mostly referring to. TIM seems more concerned that he's been set back a few years with his objective of controlling the geth than he is horrified that Dr. Archer subjected his brother to that kind of torture.

[Raxxman]

TiM weighs up the cost of human lives in the coldest manner, 1 life to save 2 is a deal for him. Either way he accepts your judgement and reminds you of the fallout of your actions.

[ToshiStation38]

Raxxman wrote...

TiM weighs up the cost of human lives in the coldest manner, 1 life to save 2 is a deal for him. Either way he accepts your judgement and reminds you of the fallout of your actions.

Yeah. I'm curious what his reaction would be to seeing David hooked up to those machines with his own eyes.

[ShinjoTetsunaga]

Doing anything but freeing that kid is, imho, the choice of a completely soulless Shepard. Soulless. That's waaaay beyond any considerations of renegade/paragon.
There is absolutely no excuse for that stuff. Nothing to debate. Zilch. Nada.
It's not 'renegade' to leave that kid there. It's not 'for the greater good' (since when does a renegade Shepard suddenly care so much about that, btw?).
It's just messed up and monstrous, of the magnitude that rightfully belongs in 'Amnesia - the dark descent'.
Also, it's another victory for the Reapers, 'salvation through our destruction', they are all into that sort of thing.
I'd rather the whole of humanity gets obliterated than have it survive on those terms.

What *would* have been a good renegade action would've been to shoot that evil family-abusing f*** of a doctor for the most ultimate breach of trust against a dependant. It frustrated me to no end that I wasn't given that option. It is the first time in all of my ME playing, 1 through 2 Bioware gameplaying career, that I really felt strongly about wanting to kill someone.
The most primitive of animals don't do the stuff he did there.

Modifié par ShinjoTetsunaga, 24 avril 2012 - 12:08 .

[Meeeps]

you kill Wrex, because he doesn't want to destroy the cure, you sacrifice the council to be sure to have a chance to destroy the Savereign, so doing Project Overlord before you meet Legion, it could be a sacrifice of one human to destroy/use the Geth against the Reapers.

Just I do a renegade run with my Shep and try to find reasons to do such "evil" things. :-)
Hmm, if you sell Legion to Cerberus, will you ever know about Geth-Heretics?

Modifié par Meeeps, 25 avril 2012 - 08:15 .

[PolBear]

I saved him because I felt it was the right thing to do. Also wanted to meet him again in ME3, which I did

Modifié par PolBear, 26 avril 2012 - 08:21 .