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[Landline]

I left him there. The experiments being done there could very well prevent a war.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I freed him. This is just one more case where Cerberus is evil. The Illusive Man agreed to it too so he's not excused like he was with Jack and who knows if he was involved there as well.



I don't understand why they couldn't just observe Legion or something. However the more I think of it the less I like it. I can imagine Cerberus doing all kinds of things to Legion and besides I don't want to help them get stronger by researching anything for them. I hope ME3 lets people dismantle Cerberus.

[glacier1701]

I unhooked him. Since the Shepard I took through had Legion on his side and reprogramed the Geth the chances of another war go UP if we do stuff like this and they find out. We are already talking to them so lets not make it any harder for ourselves. Besides when I found out what Archer had done there was no excuse. IF David was mentally competent and made the choice himself then there would be some excuse but not with David's obvious mental incapacity. As we get near to the server we KNOW what David wants and its not to be left hooked up. Pity we didnt do more to Archer or to TIM for what they did.

Just one peeve though - this is supposed to done KNOWING that in all probability you've finished the game. Should have been a bit more tension if you came in having kissed off TIM.

Modifié par glacier1701, 15 juin 2010 - 10:49 .

[this isnt my name]

Landline wrote...

I left him there. The experiments being done there could very well prevent a war.

Yeah lets torture random people to prevent a war that may never happen... Ok can people give me a good reason to leave him there ?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

glacier1701 wrote...

I unhooked him. Since the Shepard I took through had Legion on his side and reprogramed the Geth the chances of another war go UP if we do stuff like this and they find out. We are already talking to them so lets not make it any harder for ourselves. Besides when I found out what Archer had done there was no excuse. IF David was mentally competent and made the choice himself then there would be some excuse but not in this case. As we get near to the server we KNOW what David wants and its not to be left hooked up. Pity we didnt do more to Archer or to TIM for what they did.

Just one peeve though - this is supposed to done KNOWING that in all probability you've finished the game. Should have been a bit more tension if you came in having kissed off TIM.

Archer killed everyone, not his brother... why couldn't Shepard kill Archer for crimes (Archer even shot at Shepard twice, and Shepard only got a Paragon just for hitting the gun out of his hand, and performing a painless girly sissy slap)? why was Archer the only one left alive?

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 15 juin 2010 - 10:51 .

[Alphyn]

He's an autistic kid - of course I let him go.

[this isnt my name]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

glacier1701 wrote...

I unhooked him. Since the Shepard I took through had Legion on his side and reprogramed the Geth the chances of another war go UP if we do stuff like this and they find out. We are already talking to them so lets not make it any harder for ourselves. Besides when I found out what Archer had done there was no excuse. IF David was mentally competent and made the choice himself then there would be some excuse but not in this case. As we get near to the server we KNOW what David wants and its not to be left hooked up. Pity we didnt do more to Archer or to TIM for what they did.

Just one peeve though - this is supposed to done KNOWING that in all probability you've finished the game. Should have been a bit more tension if you came in having kissed off TIM.

Archer killed everyone, not his brother... why couldn't Shepard kill Archer for crimes (Archer even shot at Shepard twice, and Shepard only got a Paragon just for hitting the gun out of his hand, and performing a painless girly sissy slap)? why was Archer the only one left alive?

yeah, I thought my paragon option would have spared him, sadly I cant kill him.

[this isnt my name]

DP

Modifié par this isnt my name, 15 juin 2010 - 11:05 .

[The Elite Elite]

What was done to David was immoral, disgusting, disturbing, and, sadly, for the greater good. I felt very bad about it, but I left him there. If there is a chance that this could work and bring the Geth under our control then it is worth it. All the lives saved because we could avoid a needless war with the Geth, not to mention having them as a tool to use against the Reapers. It's awful but when the stakes are the lives of every organic species in the entire galaxy you do whatever it takes. Sure, it feels good at the moment to save the poor guy, but what about all the people who will die if the Geth are not peaceful and we do end up at war with them? Is his life worth more than those countless lives that would die in such a war?

[Leftnt Sharpe]

I let him go. In the the post game setting, having witnessed Rael Zorah's geth based ****-up and had all possible conversations with Legion it makes no sense to keep him there. Its not the Geth that I am worried about frankly, its the Council dragging their heels or worse.



Also does anyone think that if Dr Archer and Admiral Xen ever met they would get along really well?

[Neuzhelin]

You do realize that Reapers, probably, were created for the "greater good" (each a nation, remember). When resources were scarse, I imagine billions of lives were used to create a reaper "for the greater good" millions of years ago in order to preserve their "civilization". In the end if Cerberus with Stalinistic views TIM represents will assume the power of the galaxy if Shephard encourages genocide or rachni, krogan, geth (perhaps a war between geth and quarians, or enslavement of geth), dominance over the council, experiments for the "greater good" and indoctrinating technology from the collectors.
"Save a single life and you save humanity" a wise man said once. What is the point of fighting Reapers if the cause is not just and you use the same methods when it comes to the big picture? They are merely trying to survive as a race! I picture renegade choices leading to indoctrination or at least a rebellion against humanity by every single race, if the "victory" is achieved and "humanity" becomes the tyrant.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 15 juin 2010 - 11:41 .

[hawat333]

I only did it on two chars yet, as I don't have strictly paragon or renegade characters, but personalities, let me shape it out:
First off, there is Adrian, who is kind of a jury-judge-executioner type of guy. In an other 'verse, he would make a great comissar. Let him go. As for the doc, let's just say I didn't press the paragon interrupt.
As for Dante, who sees the bigger picture and a fan of results over acting humanly, well, I guess you can imagine the scenario.

(edit: anyways, there's no greater good. It's just a reason to screw up things. There's always another way. When you don't try to save one person, you can't save a million.)

Modifié par hawat333, 15 juin 2010 - 11:39 .

[this isnt my name]

The Elite Elite wrote...

What was done to David was immoral, disgusting, disturbing, and, sadly, for the greater good. I felt very bad about it, but I left him there. If there is a chance that this could work and bring the Geth under our control then it is worth it. All the lives saved because we could avoid a needless war with the Geth, not to mention having them as a tool to use against the Reapers. It's awful but when the stakes are the lives of every organic species in the entire galaxy you do whatever it takes. Sure, it feels good at the moment to save the poor guy, but what about all the people who will die if the Geth are not peaceful and we do end up at war with them? Is his life worth more than those countless lives that would die in such a war?

Did you miss the part where most geth were peaceful, and those who are not can be made to think peacefully ?
There is no war, unless you make one, meaning he is sacraficed for nothing. There is no reason logically, and it sure as hell dosent get any moral or ethical support.

[CerebraLArsenaL]

 I just cant, as a human being, leave him up there. The fact that he still recites roots with everything going on around him is just painful. Bravo! Bravo Bioware! Encore!

[Computer_God91]

I pistol whipped archer and took David to Grissom Academy. There was no point in leaving him there. There was no "it is for the greater good". It was torture for a needless reason because the Geth don't need controlling, Legion is an example of that. For those of you that left him, think about it, would you want to be left like that? No. Would you exchange places with him if you felt that research was really that important? No. Therefore let him out. F*ck, you should've been able to put archer in that machine and show'd him what it was like to be David. I would've left Archer to die in that machine if I could, he deserved it.

[Landline]

this isnt my name wrote...

Did you miss the part where most geth were peaceful, and those who are not can be made to think peacefully ?
There is no war, unless you make one, meaning he is sacraficed for nothing. There is no reason logically, and it sure as hell dosent get any moral or ethical support.

And have you missed the part where they are machines? Something like the virus on Legions mission could easily make them all hostile or passive.

[Vizkos]

I was eating when I was at the final cinematic. My food almost exited my body out of the wrong end.

[C9316]

The Elite Elite wrote...

What was done to David was immoral, disgusting, disturbing, and, sadly, for the greater good. I felt very bad about it, but I left him there. If there is a chance that this could work and bring the Geth under our control then it is worth it. All the lives saved because we could avoid a needless war with the Geth, not to mention having them as a tool to use against the Reapers. It's awful but when the stakes are the lives of every organic species in the entire galaxy you do whatever it takes. Sure, it feels good at the moment to save the poor guy, but what about all the people who will die if the Geth are not peaceful and we do end up at war with them? Is his life worth more than those countless lives that would die in such a war?

 You talk about the entire geth as if they are all heretics. The geth intially have no desire for a war,they just want to be left alone. If they caught wind of humans trying to enslave them they would certainly do to the humans what they did to that other race who used them as tools and then tried to destroy them. Plus its cerberus, we'd most likely lose many lives in their uneithical and idiotic experiments.

[Computer_God91]

Landline wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Did you miss the part where most geth were peaceful, and those who are not can be made to think peacefully ?
There is no war, unless you make one, meaning he is sacraficed for nothing. There is no reason logically, and it sure as hell dosent get any moral or ethical support.

And have you missed the part where they are machines? Something like the virus on Legions mission could easily make them all hostile or passive.

Simple fix: if they show signs of hostility and can't be stopped then simply make them passive again and wipe them out. Done.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 15 juin 2010 - 11:52 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Tighue wrote...

Bhatair wrote...

I freed him, my bleeding heart bled through into my renegade Shep's personality.
Seriously, it was emotional

I saved him too. And day-um, BioWare: I want more of this calibre of writing in Mass Effect 3. I enjoyed Overlord more than all of the loyalty missions combined!

Kasumi's mission was better

[The Elite Elite]

this isnt my name wrote...

Did you miss the part where most geth were peaceful, and those who are not can be made to think peacefully ?
There is no war, unless you make one, meaning he is sacraficed for nothing. There is no reason logically, and it sure as hell dosent get any moral or ethical support.

Couple things. First, if you do this before you get Legion, then you know none of that. At that point as far as you know the heretics are the only kind of Geth out there. Second, even if you do this after recruiting Legion, you also have to take it at its word that this is all the truth. It admits in a conversation that the Geth broadcasted a lie just to see the organic reaction, whose to say that Legion isn't some kind of ploy to gather as much information as possible on organics before they send in some kind of invasion fleet? Also, as someone else mentioned, they are machines. If we can reprogram them then whose to say the Reapers can't do the same?

[this isnt my name]

The Elite Elite wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Did you miss the part where most geth were peaceful, and those who are not can be made to think peacefully ?
There is no war, unless you make one, meaning he is sacraficed for nothing. There is no reason logically, and it sure as hell dosent get any moral or ethical support.

Couple things. First, if you do this before you get Legion, then you know none of that. At that point as far as you know the heretics are the only kind of Geth out there. Second, even if you do this after recruiting Legion, you also have to take it at its word that this is all the truth. It admits in a conversation that the Geth broadcasted a lie just to see the organic reaction, whose to say that Legion isn't some kind of ploy to gather as much information as possible on organics before they send in some kind of invasion fleet? Also, as someone else mentioned, they are machines. If we can reprogram them then whose to say the Reapers can't do the same?

The geth havent persued the quarians, or anyone, they keep to themselves, also your last point fails, yes we reprogramm them, yes reapers can reverse it, but they can probobally reverse this aswell, or just indoctrinate him, either way the result would be the same, no justification for the experiments, and the geth arent attacking. By your logic its fine for lets say the US thinks the russians will start a war again, so they just kidnap and torture people, would it be justified ? No, the war isnt there, the only certainty is innocents will suffer needlessly.

[cbutz]

I let him go. If I wanted to know something about the Geth...well I'd ask their ambassador who is doing the robot next to EDI.

off topic: was this suppose to take place after the collector base, I'm under the impression that it wasn't because my shep broke ties with TIM, yet at the end of the dlc, he said "the Illusive man can fire me if he doesn't like it" (or something like that). I think the dlc was suppose to start the story bridge that bridges me2 and me3. One of the next dlc's will probably take place after the suicide run.