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[Zaydin]

huntrrz wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

I let him go, keeping him the way he was just seemed... inhuman.
The Illusive Man's message at the end pissed me off though. He was more concerned with the data and how freeing David "...set us back several years." Well, **** you too, TIM.

Yep!  My thought was almost exactly the same - "I DON'T ****ING CARE."

(Hey, you guys who asked - THIS IS WHY WE BLOW UP THE COLLECTOR BASE.)

Yeah, I was pissed at the Illusive Man. It was TIMs impatience that led Archer to do what he did, if you hear the audio logs in the last mission.  And another reason we blow up the Collector Base is that we have to remember who we'd be giving it to; Cerberus, a group with no morals, and wants human supremacy over the galaxy.

[shoulderfish]

The geth ship section (Prometheus? Not sure.) reminded me a lot of Bioshock. Upbeat music in a creepy background, something scary screaming at you every five minutes (David), and listening to audio records...

Yeah. Anyway. I feel like the choice was too black and white -- couldn't I leave him there with some changes, like with the project under the direction of someone more...compassionate? I mean, what David's doing could turn out to be really useful, but there's no need for him to be tortured over it. I sent him to Grissom Academy -- that was a really emotional scene -- but I'm starting to doubt my decision.

[The Elite Elite]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Look at you two argue. Hello the Geth (Legion) already stated that working together furthers mutual goals that meaning because it is like every other Geth (minus the "heretics") the Geth are already on your side and brutally torturing that guy is pointless. By going into that research your pretty much throwing yourself into a war with the Geth because you're trying to forcibly control them and if they find out your screwed. What benefit would Legion gain by lying about wanting to help and by lying about the Geth factions? and if it were lying then why would you go to a station that has heretics and convert/destroy them? All that for a joke? I think not, it pretty much proved its not lying and your mistrust of it is just plain stupid. You're repeating yourself anyway find another reason why it shouldn't be trusted. and you forgot that its obsessed with you also showing that it would gain nothing from lying to you.

For a joke? No. Again, this could be a way to build up trust with Shep to gather as much intel as possible to send back to the Geth to help them prepare for a possible invasion. Just look at what happens after doing Tail's and Legion's loyalty missions. It was completely prepared to send information back to the Geth that it full well admits would likely have resulted in going to war with the Quarians. If it wasn't for Tail catching it you wouldn't have ever known it was going to send that knowledge back to the Geth. So whose to say it hasn't been sending other knowledge back to the Geth? Also, how does its obsession with Shep show it would gain nothing from lying?

[Pacifien]

fanman72 wrote...
And the Geth aren't a serious threat (if you recruited Legion you will find out why), unless you're a Quarian

The Geth aren't considered a serious threat if you talk to Anderson before you even recruit Legion.

Of course, you're told the Reapers aren't considered a serious threat as well.

But even if you don't know the status of the Geth, the experiment is cruel. You can either continue with it in the hopes it leads to a better end or you can cut it short and tell Cerberus they need to find a better way.

And because I know there will be people lamenting yet another situation where people are tossing away valuable research that could be used against the Reapers, it's an assumption that it could. And you're assuming there are no other ways. And yes, the flip side is making assumptions, too. That's how these decisions go.

[huntrrz]

P.S. It was chilling to replay the missions and recognize that the previously unintelligible noises were actually David trying to say "Please, make it stop!"

Modifié par huntrrz, 16 juin 2010 - 02:53 .

[Annihilator27]

Man that took me by surprise, That was sad to me and ****ed up. I freed him. The music made it worse.

[prizm123]

i freed him, we wont need this information thanks to Legion. and if TIM tries anything against the Geth after they got reprogrammed, then i am going after TIM

[C9316]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Look at you two argue. Hello the Geth (Legion) already stated that working together furthers mutual goals that meaning because it is like every other Geth (minus the "heretics") the Geth are already on your side and brutally torturing that guy is pointless. By going into that research your pretty much throwing yourself into a war with the Geth because you're trying to forcibly control them and if they find out your screwed. What benefit would Legion gain by lying about wanting to help and by lying about the Geth factions? and if it were lying then why would you go to a station that has heretics and convert/destroy them? All that for a joke? I think not, it pretty much proved its not lying and your mistrust of it is just plain stupid. You're repeating yourself anyway find another reason why it shouldn't be trusted. and you forgot that its obsessed with you also showing that it would gain nothing from lying to you.

For a joke? No. Again, this could be a way to build up trust with Shep to gather as much intel as possible to send back to the Geth to help them prepare for a possible invasion. Just look at what happens after doing Tail's and Legion's loyalty missions. It was completely prepared to send information back to the Geth that it full well admits would likely have resulted in going to war with the Quarians. If it wasn't for Tail catching it you wouldn't have ever known it was going to send that knowledge back to the Geth. So whose to say it hasn't been sending other knowledge back to the Geth? Also, how does its obsession with Shep show it would gain nothing from lying?

Of course legion would've sent the info regardless of war the quarians were once again aggressively trying to destroy them they'd be acting in self defense; if you knew about info that could potentially bring harm to your people wouldn't you try to warn them? Also lets say your right but what would the true geth gain by destroying organics? The reapers would still just destroy or indoctrinate them. So would the geth really destroy organics just to end up another's tool I think not.

[The Elite Elite]

C9316 wrote...
Of course legion would've sent the info regardless of war the quarians were once again aggressively trying to destroy them they'd be acting in self defense; if you knew about info that could potentially bring harm to your people wouldn't you try to warn them? Also lets say your right but what would the true geth gain by destroying organics? The reapers would still just destroy or indoctrinate them. So would the geth really destroy organics just to end up another's tool I think not.

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that Legion's actions there are unjustified. I'm just saying doesn't that at least get you to think that it might be sending other info as well? Also what would the Geth gain by killing organics? Given their history with the Quarians and then learning that even after all this time the Quarians are still debating if they should go to war with the Geth they might just figure that organics aren't going to trust them and let them live so they'll strike first.

[Pacifien]

The Elite Elite wrote...
*snip*
Given their history with the Quarians and then learning that even after all this time the Quarians are still debating if they should go to war with the Geth they might just figure that organics aren't going to trust them and let them live so they'll strike first.

It would make a Salarian proud.

[mentosman8]

I set him free. I was playing my renegade, but I absolutely couldn't bring myself to let him get kept in that torture. No amount of results are worth doing that to someone.

[TudorWolf]

"Make it stop"



That one line killed me. How could anyone leave him there like that?



When I saw him... it was too much. How could he do that to his own brother. Made worse of course by the fact that David is autistic.



I sent him to Grissom and relished TIM's reaction. Yeah, screw you buddy

[Dave of Canada]

No matter how much I would like to, choices like this are why I can't play a complete Renegade. It breaks my heart and I couldn't have done the Renegade choice no matter how hard I tried.

[Bluko]

Dave of Canada wrote...

No matter how much I would like to, choices like this are why I can't play a complete Renegade. It breaks my heart and I couldn't have done the Renegade choice no matter how hard I tried.

Yep. Been trying to play a pure Renegade Shepard through ME1 and into ME2, but I still can't quite go pure Renegade. Executing people who may be a threat or being aggressive isn't always senseless. But like with the Geth sidequest I just could not come up with a reason to not give Tali a copy of the data on the Geth. If my Shepard was that Xenophobic and distrustful of Tali/Quarians why is she even a part of the crew?

This DLC would be hella-tough for me to go through as pure Renegade. As ruthless as Renegade Shepard may be I just can't see what justification there is for leaving a half-disabled kid hooked up to a machine to gain more knowledge/control over the Geth. The only thing I can think of is that Renegade Shepard just doesn't care and is like whatever.

Basically pure Renegade Shepard is a complete ****.

[Northern Sun]

I freed him. Aside from the absolute horror I felt when I saw how they were holding him, trying to control the geth seems unnecessary, considering what we learn from Legion. The decision would have been a bit harder if I didn't already know about Legion and the "true geth", but my decision would be the same.

[Hunter Boris.0]

I never got a clear cut fact the geth are peaceful I see them as enemy of my enemy is my friend or at least not a current enemy but definately not peaceful. However I freed David and I will admit that this is the first video game moment to make me tear up.

[darkshadow136]

Since I went all Paragon with my Shep. I freed him. If there is one thing I've found out choosing tom side with Cerberus may help in the short term, but in the long term there is bad consequences.

[Splinter Cell 108]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Look at you two argue. Hello the Geth (Legion) already stated that working together furthers mutual goals that meaning because it is like every other Geth (minus the "heretics") the Geth are already on your side and brutally torturing that guy is pointless. By going into that research your pretty much throwing yourself into a war with the Geth because you're trying to forcibly control them and if they find out your screwed. What benefit would Legion gain by lying about wanting to help and by lying about the Geth factions? and if it were lying then why would you go to a station that has heretics and convert/destroy them? All that for a joke? I think not, it pretty much proved its not lying and your mistrust of it is just plain stupid. You're repeating yourself anyway find another reason why it shouldn't be trusted. and you forgot that its obsessed with you also showing that it would gain nothing from lying to you.

For a joke? No. Again, this could be a way to build up trust with Shep to gather as much intel as possible to send back to the Geth to help them prepare for a possible invasion. Just look at what happens after doing Tail's and Legion's loyalty missions. It was completely prepared to send information back to the Geth that it full well admits would likely have resulted in going to war with the Quarians. If it wasn't for Tail catching it you wouldn't have ever known it was going to send that knowledge back to the Geth. So whose to say it hasn't been sending other knowledge back to the Geth? Also, how does its obsession with Shep show it would gain nothing from lying?

Even if Legion was sending data I don't see any reason for an invasion. Why would any organic race (except for the Quarians) invade the Geth? It would be a waste of time and resources, they have nothing that organic races need or want. Perhaps technology but I doubt that the Council Races and the Alliance are that far behind the Geth technologically speaking. The Geth aren't going to invade anyone either, what good does it do them anyway and besides I pretty much doubt that they'd have the resources to fight against the entire galaxy on their own. The only reason that the Alliance would go to war against the Geth is if Cerberus and madmen like The Illusive Man making the moves. Cerberus may have operatives within the Alliance but I doubt they have a lot of control since the Alliance arrests Cerberus operatives found doing illegal things.

Torturing David was simply wrong. It proves that Cerberus is evil even if Miranda and The Illusive Man keeps saying it's not. The only reason they wanted to control the Geth was probably to give humanity more strength to take power because that's all Cerberus cares about. It doesn't even care about humans, not if they do that to people every time and they apparently do just like with Jack and the biotic facility.

[Arijharn]

I don't mind the fact that he's the most qualified or able to communicate with the Geth. I think that's a pretty interesting take that might be useful. Apparently David 'volunteered' although I'm not so sure anymore and the scientist did seem to genuinely care for his brother judging from all the snippets you could find from VI 'disturbances' in the section.



However, there had to be a better way to hook David up other than some strange HR Giger inspired techno-christ figure.

[eternalnightmare13]

I left him with Archer while playing with my fave Shep. I role played it that way cause my Shep is a Cerebus man and sees the ends justifying the means. Archer made a cluster **** of Project Overlord but with David still alive that doesn't mean something cannot be salvaged from it. My Shep is earth born so he didn't grow up with the emotional entanglement that others may suffer from.

[UltraBoy360]

Saved him. I'd have taken a renegade option to kill Archer, but leaving a disabled kid up there to continue an experiment that already almost caused a galaxy-wide techno-apocalypse (come on in Reapers, we're fracked already) is totally insane, as well as being morally wrong on every conceivable level. I'll be saving him on my renegade playthrough as well.



Also - thank god I didn't give TIM the Collector Base. Techno-apocalypse from small scale Geth experiments... imagine how they could f*ck up messing with the base. They're so unbelievably negligent. It'll be hell getting insurance if you worked for them.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

overlord was pretty messed up.



..i let him go.



there was a paragon interupt at the end but i'm not sure if i got it..

[kaimanaMM]

I very nearly teared up when I saw David at the end, very powerful stuff.

I couldn't leave him like that.  "If the Illusive Man doesn't like it, he can fire me."

Massive kudos to Bioware, well done guys and gals, seriously well done. 

[Zaydin]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

I left him with Archer while playing with my fave Shep. I role played it that way cause my Shep is a Cerebus man and sees the ends justifying the means. Archer made a cluster **** of Project Overlord but with David still alive that doesn't mean something cannot be salvaged from it. My Shep is earth born so he didn't grow up with the emotional entanglement that others may suffer from.

You have no soul, then. When I saw what happened, there was no hesitation for me. Nothing could possibly justify doing what they did to him. And given I always go Paragon, there was no way my Shepard would stand for that. And getting him someplace safe also hurts Cerberus, which is always a plus. I'd have shot Gavin if I could, too.