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[The Elite Elite]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I have no idea if someone in the thread already answered this and I don't care.

What the quarians did was a war crime and Legion telling the other geth about it isn't inciting a war the quarians are already locked in a war and continually trying to win and wage that war. They're the warmongers the geth want to be left alone to create their own future.

Talk to Legion a bit and you'd know all this.

War crime? All they did was experiment on machines to try and develop better weapons to fight the Geth because, again, as far as they know all Geth are hostile and too many of them are still intent on this foolish belief that they can actually take back their homeworld and not die doing so. Now, if you bring Legion along on Tail's loyalty mission that may help them see that maybe they're wrong about the Geth but again, they don't know everything about Legion and neither they nor we know the full extent about the Geth factions and what their disagreements are. We only have what Legion says is the case.

And by the way, EDI's the one making sure he hasn't been sending information back to the geth. Both times Legion accesses the geth collective he has to break through EDI's firewalls and both times EDI tells you about Legion trying to access the geth.

True enough, I had forgotten about that.

Your paranoia about the geth reminds me of Loghain's paranoia about the Orlesians.

And after reading both of the Dragon Age books I'd say his paranoia about Orlesians is damn well justified. Also, I will admit that I seriously doubt that Bioware is going to go in the direction of a Geth invasion. I'm sure they are setting it up to have the Geth be our new allies. I'm just saying from an in-game perspective we can't be too careful when it comes to the Geth. Up until Legion our only experience is Geth being hostile. So, hope for the best (Geth will now become allies against the Reapers) but consider and prepare for the worst. (The Geth are in fact, preparing for an invasion)

[this isnt my name]

Neuzhelin wrote...



I am happy to see that people agree much more on this one, unlike the Rachni genocide, council destruction, and reaper technology in the hands of the xenophobic Cerberus. Perhaps it is because this is a general opinion and not an oppinion specific topic?

Those have actual logical reasons, behind both sides, here the moral and logical reasons are to go paragon, e.g reaper base, we become as bad as the reapers and amy die, but we weaken/break the cycle for future lives. Here any gain is already made redundant by legion being non hostile and speaking english.



"War crime? All they did was experiment on machines to try and develop better weapons to fight the Geth because, again, as far as they know all Geth are hostile"

A geth is self aware, AI, they are experimenting on a sentient being, not only that they are doing so to try and kill off the geth, machine or not they blur the line between what is and is not alive, as for thinking all geth being hostile, its BS, its their fault they shoot first and ask questions later, if they werent so warlike and holding grudges they could have been back on their homeworld several hundred years ago, geth dont have emotions it seems, so they wont hold a grudge, its the quarians who are the problem here, if therre is a war they bring it upon themselves, much like you are, trying to control the geth, logically the geth will fight back, leave them allon they wont.



Yeah and his paranoia led to an entire army, the king, all the other people killed by the darkspawn because they were not stopped there and him being killed, paranoia killed him, it just causes trouble, and your geth paranoia will aswell in ME3, what did you do to the rachni ? And the Collector base ?

[Cerrydd]

Lord_Tirian wrote...

Not to mention that it's a Cerberus project, which means two things: a) it will end up unethical (again), blow up in their faces (again).

Literally every Cerberus project turned out that way. No way they should get their hands on that - the only result will be insane Geth wiping out the population, because remember the experiments with, well everything? Yeah.

Gods know how many more screwed up 'research' never saw  the daylight. As soon as the dormant geth wake up, the intercom woman reminds the employees (who are already dead) that no one is allowed to talk about what happened.

[The Elite Elite]

this isnt my name wrote...

Yeah and his paranoia led to an entire army, the king, all the other people killed by the darkspawn because they were not stopped there and him being killed, paranoia killed him, it just causes trouble, and your geth paranoia will aswell in ME3, what did you do to the rachni ? And the Collector base ?

I'm not paranoid about the Geth, I'm just stating a possibility. In the end, my offical Shep chooses to trust Legion because the potential of gaining the Geth as an ally is too good a possibility to pass up. (Remember, hope for the best, but prepare for the worst)

As for the rachni, I kill them. From what we know of them they were hostile the moment we had any kind of contact with them. Now we are suddenly expected to take the word of this queen who basically has a gun pointed to her head and your finger hovering over the trigger. Not worthy of putting any trust in, unlike Legion who proves to possibly be on my side by helping me on the Reaper. Plus if you have Wrex there that too pushes me towards killing her. (Though if I had the option I'd leave the queen there for the council to decide what to do. Something like that is too big a decision for one person to make.)

The Collector base I save. Yes yes, I know TIM is not someone to trust and could very well use whatever he finds there to take control of the galaxy. But if there is something there that can help us defeat the Reapers then I'd rather risk having a galaxy under the dictator rule of TIM then no galaxy at all.

[Pacifien]

Ieldra2 wrote...
*snip*
© bad long-term consequences on a large scale seem unlikely.

Strongly disagree on this. The whole point of Shepard going to Atlas Station was because Cerberus had completely lost control of the experiment. Sure, they've managed to regain control for the moment and know to take better precautions, but they simply don't understand what they have created here.

[Annihilator27]

Lets get back on topic, I didnt leave David in his brothers care, I wonder how this will affect ME3 in some form. Hey look a email lol.

[this isnt my name]

The Elite Elite wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Yeah and his paranoia led to an entire army, the king, all the other people killed by the darkspawn because they were not stopped there and him being killed, paranoia killed him, it just causes trouble, and your geth paranoia will aswell in ME3, what did you do to the rachni ? And the Collector base ?

I'm not paranoid about the Geth, I'm just stating a possibility. In the end, my offical Shep chooses to trust Legion because the potential of gaining the Geth as an ally is too good a possibility to pass up. (Remember, hope for the best, but prepare for the worst)

As for the rachni, I kill them. From what we know of them they were hostile the moment we had any kind of contact with them. Now we are suddenly expected to take the word of this queen who basically has a gun pointed to her head and your finger hovering over the trigger. Not worthy of putting any trust in, unlike Legion who proves to possibly be on my side by helping me on the Reaper. Plus if you have Wrex there that too pushes me towards killing her. (Though if I had the option I'd leave the queen there for the council to decide what to do. Something like that is too big a decision for one person to make.)

The Collector base I save. Yes yes, I know TIM is not someone to trust and could very well use whatever he finds there to take control of the galaxy. But if there is something there that can help us defeat the Reapers then I'd rather risk having a galaxy under the dictator rule of TIM then no galaxy at all.

Rachni were indoctrinated, "sour yellow note" from the reapers, and controlling one controls them all, also they were acting irrational, again you need trust and some logic behind your decision, I can see killing them an option, but ust like with the geth you trust them, or atleast realise right now they wont fight when they are at risk, also if there is a queens egg from that queen she will remember, yay new wars.

So you dont trust the geth and think they are plotting, yet you handed the base to someone who you know is bad, the base pumps out reapers, that ust makes things worse, also funny a galaxy is better if controlled by TIM, yet you dont like the geth taking over who will just sit back and stay in theit homeworlds.

[Jackal904]

Bhatair wrote...

I freed him, my bleeding heart bled through into my renegade Shep's personality.
Seriously, it was emotional

Yeah that is one of the most emotional scenes in the game. I don't care how renegade you are, you have to have a heart of pure ice to not free David. And the dialogue at the end was incredible. When my Shepard said to Archer, "I'm taking him somewhere where he can get help, I don't care if the Illusive Man fires me!" I was like, "Yeah you tell'm Shepard!"

[NightSabre22]

UpDownLeftRight wrote...

Hello everyone! Hope you are all doing well!


About the latest DLC.

What was your final choice? And why?


Have a good day!

I freed him because nobody should be forced to live like that and not to mention that it must have been painful for the poor guy.

[Dave of Canada]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Leaving David hooked up:
(a) leaves a human in a state of pain, undeservedly and unwillingly.
( may deliver useful data, but not against any known threat (if you have Legion)
© bad long-term consequences on a large scale seem unlikely.

A long-term consequence is possibly  that David escapes as he originally planned and could reach the holonet, essentially shutting down the entire universe.

[primero holodon]

I freed him. Partly cause I felt bad for him but mostly because Leting cerberus experiment on ANYTHING always ends badly. I'm pretty sure the only cerberus base I've been to where the experiments aren't loose and murdering everything that moves were those three bases that I destroyed In the first game

[The Elite Elite]

this isnt my name wrote...

Rachni were indoctrinated, "sour yellow note" from the reapers, and controlling one controls them all, also they were acting irrational, again you need trust and some logic behind your decision, I can see killing them an option, but ust like with the geth you trust them, or atleast realise right now they wont fight when they are at risk, also if there is a queens egg from that queen she will remember, yay new wars.

Again, at that point in the game you don't know that they were under Reaper influence. All you know at that time is the history of the Rachni War and now you have a Rachni Queen in front of you with a gun to its head. Of course it's going to say whatever it can to keep you from pulling the trigger. It isn't in a position where I'm going to find anything it says about their "notes" being "soured" as very believable. And again, I would've really just left it there for the Council to decide what to do but alas, the game doesn't give me that option.

So you dont trust the geth and think they are plotting, yet you handed the base to someone who you know is bad, the base pumps out reapers, that ust makes things worse, also funny a galaxy is better if controlled by TIM, yet you dont like the geth taking over who will just sit back and stay in theit homeworlds.

I didn't say I don't trust the Geth. I'm just saying the possibility is there. In the end, like handing TIM the Collecter base, I'm taking a risk. I'm deciding that the possible payoff of getting the Geth on our side is worth the risk that Legion might be joining me for some other reason. So the possible risk of TIM using the Collecter tech to become a dictator is worth it for the possible payoff that something in that base could be useful in the fight against the Reapers.

[Neuzhelin]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Again, at that point in the game you don't know that they were under Reaper influence. All you know at that time is the history of the Rachni War and now you have a Rachni Queen in front of you with a gun to its head. Of course it's going to say whatever it can to keep you from pulling the trigger. It isn't in a position where I'm going to find anything it says about their "notes" being "soured" as very believable. And again, I would've really just left it there for the Council to decide what to do but alas, the game doesn't give me that option.

I didn't say I don't trust the Geth. I'm just saying the possibility is there. In the end, like handing TIM the Collecter base, I'm taking a risk. I'm deciding that the possible payoff of getting the Geth on our side is worth the risk that Legion might be joining me for some other reason. So the possible risk of TIM using the Collecter tech to become a dictator is worth it for the possible payoff that something in that base could be useful in the fight against the Reapers.

Avina tells you that Rachni could not be diplomatically contacted because the queens controlling the forces were underground. These were slaughtered by Krogan and this is the first encounter when the rachni are reasoned with. The rest of the rachni were warriors and followed orders. Also, the Noveria queen says that the music READ signals sent by queen were corrupted READ not their own (later you find out it was reapers). So you have the only sentient survivor that promises allegeince and alliance to humanity of the whole specie and you chose to genocide the whole people because you don't like the history set up by council? You have first source information (queen) and you have second hand information from the council that HAVE to justify it and you kill an entire specie out of fear? Again, no better then Reaper mentality. You do exactly what reapers do.

You talk about possibility, pre emptive striking against whole races/nations, well if it were to people like you Earth would be similar to Tuchanka, destroyed in a  nuclear holocaust. I understand that many people skip through dialogue and pay no attention but don't try to defend a point of view when you clearly, by many posters were presented by the facts and provided nothing else then speculation, ifs and empty buts.

On the collector base, well, I have posted a half page long list of FACTS based on both games and novels not SPECULATION rooted in murder and fear and you can view it in my posting history, because there is an active thread why leaving it in hands of Cerberus lead by TIM is not wise when it comes to the long term goals of not only humanity but the whole galaxy.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 18 juin 2010 - 11:52 .

[The Elite Elite]

Neuzhelin wrote...

Avina tells you that Rachni could not be diplomatically contacted because the queens controlling the forces were underground. These were slaughtered by Krogan and this is the first encounter when the rachni are reasoned with. The rest of the rachni were warriors and followed orders. Also, the Noveria queen says that the music READ signals sent by queen were corrupted READ not their own (later you find out it was reapers). So you have the only sentient survivor that promises allegeince and alliance to humanity of the whole specie and you chose to genocide the whole people because you don't like the history set up by council?

I just looked at the codex entry for the Rachni just to make sure I got this right. The Rachni attacked the first people who came through their relay right away. Then they couldn't negotiate because the queens were underground on their hazardous homeworld. Then after the Krogan pushed them to the brink of defeat they still refused to surrender. So yeah, I don't find the Rachni trustworthy at all. Given that history I'd say that yes, wiping them out does indeed appear to be the right thing.

You have first source information (queen) and you have second hand information from the council that HAVE to justify it and you kill an entire specie out of fear? Again, no better then Reaper mentality. You do exactly what reapers do.

No, I have the bad guy with a gun to her head telling me that her kind didn't really mean it, it was all a mistake. Yeah I'm supposed to trust her? I suppose if during WW2 you came across Hitler tied up with a gun pointed at his head you'd believe him if he told you that he didn't really mean to exterminate the Jews, that it was something messed up in his biology?

You talk about possibility, pre emptive striking against whole races/nations, well if it were to people like you Earth would be similar to Tuchanka, destroyed in a  nuclear holocaust. I understand that many people skip through dialogue and pay no attention but don't try to defend a point of view when you clearly, by many posters were presented by the facts and provided nothing else then speculation, ifs and empty buts.

Who said anything about promoting a pre-emptive strike against the Geth? I just said let's keep the possibility that Legion isn't telling the truth and his presence is for something other than what he says it is. I'm still for taking the risk and keeping it in my group.

On the collector base, well, I have posted a half page long list of FACTS based on both games and novels not SPECULATION rooted in murder and fear and you can view it in my posting history, because there is an active thread why leaving it in hands of Cerberus lead by TIM is not wise when it comes to the long term goals of not only humanity but the whole galaxy.

I'll have to look at that.

EDIT: Alright, I found a post by you in the "Why do people destroy the Collector Base" thread.

1) Can't have an organisation like cerberus indoctrinated or with that kind

of technology. The risk is too high as it might destroy not only human
but all races again in the cycle. Otherwise Humans will end up as
dictators of the galaxy only to have all races unify and rebel. It
might be better short term but not when it comes to the grand strategy.

If we don't get what we need to defeat the Reapers there will be no long-term to worry about. If we can't stop the Reapers there won't be a galaxy to be torn apart by a dictator TIM.

2) It indoctrinates as reaper technology (sure, some date can be recovered like on crashed reaper but at a wrong cost).

Where are getting the idea that the Collector base indoctrinates like the Reapers do?

3)
Legion and Mordin explain to you how culture, technology and
civilisations function using collectors and heretic geth as examples.
You can't take that kind of leaps, the cost seems to high.

As someone in that very thread said, those cases were an outside force coming in and giving that tech to them for free. In this case we came in and took the tech ourselves from the enemy.

Modifié par The Elite Elite, 16 juin 2010 - 07:24 .

[smudboy]

The major problem I had with Overlord was the reference to Legion.

Hello.  Geth.  Right here.  Talking.  To us.  Shouldn't someone on the Normandy have contacted the doctor when we found it?

Shepard: "Thoughts, Legion?"
Shepard: "How about you, Tali?  Oh, just dragging bodies, huh?  Fun times."

[ThisIsMadness91]

As someone who has Asperger syndrome, I felt horrible seeing David being forced into becoming a test subject by Gavin. Even regardless of that, what Gavin did was cruel, unnecessary and unforgivable. I freed him.

Alas, this seems to be very much like what Paul Grayson will soon go through, only this time, the Illusive Man not only knows about it, but ordered it to be so.

Modifié par ThisIsMadness91, 16 juin 2010 - 08:07 .

[Neuzhelin]

The Elite Elite wrote...

I just looked at the codex entry for the Rachni just to make sure I got this right. The Rachni attacked the first people who came through their relay right away. Then they couldn't negotiate because the queens were underground on their hazardous homeworld. Then after the Krogan pushed them to the brink of defeat they still refused to surrender. So yeah, I don't find the Rachni trustworthy at all. Given that history I'd say that yes, wiping them out does indeed appear to be the right thing.

No, I have the bad guy with a gun to her head telling me that her kind didn't really mean it, it was all a mistake. Yeah I'm supposed to trust her? I suppose if during WW2 you came across Hitler tied up with a gun pointed at his head you'd believe him if he told you that he didn't really mean to exterminate the Jews, that it was something messed up in his biology?

Who said anything about promoting a pre-emptive strike against the Geth? I just said let's keep the possibility that Legion isn't telling the truth and his presence is for something other than what he says it is. I'm still for taking the risk and keeping it in my group.

If we don't get what we need to defeat the Reapers there will be no long-term to worry about. If we can't stop the Reapers there won't be a galaxy to be torn apart by a dictator TIM.

Where are getting the idea that the Collector base indoctrinates like
the Reapers do?

As someone in that very thread said, those cases were an outside force coming in and giving that tech to them for free. In this case we came in and took the tech ourselves from the enemy.

So you will do exactly as the reapers do: destroy a civilization? Because of  an ally you percieve a  risk? What, you can't rely on your own first hand  experience instead of relying on ancient Council data (that you probably killed anyways, that does not mention the Queens AT ALL?).

But don't you see, pre-emptive strikes is what you do when you murder a nation/enslave a people or use them as tools whether it is Rachine, Krogan or Geth based on very limited info.. Unlike the reapers, you don't have any goals you just do it because it "risky".

Okay, so you give power to a Stalinistic dictator that thinks big. Muder some millions here, enslave a nation there, lose a world here, experiment on your own people there, attack the Quarian fleet here, use other races as "shock troops" as he calls the Cerberus experiments in ME1 there.... Funny you mention Hitler, because that is exactly what I picture with all the comments you have made. So in your case Sovereign was right "your salvation through destruction".

So you think a place CREATING a REAPER wouldn't have INDOCTRINATION PRESENT IN A REAPER when a REAPER that has been inactive for 37 million years still indoctrinates? 

Okay, let's imagine that Cerberus sacrafices enough lives to gather the needed data. They use Reaper technology against a reaper fleet - who do you think has the advantage? Now, let's imagine the impossible - Cerberus wins - they defeat the reapers with small numbers of inferior reaper based technology and there is a power vacuum. Do you think the council will just let Cerberus run the galaxy? Do you
think every single race will bow to humanity? Sure, they might after a
while - yet it is not worth finding the answer in that way. TIM has already started creating a reaper-human hybrid and that is not one that should run the galaxy. I believe you hadly think at all about the consequences.

Technology for free? Technology taken? Irrelevant. Okay you can ignore it because of slight variations, yet you talk some petty risks solved radically and ignorenot only the risk Cerberus with Reaper technology but the one with just Reaper technology?

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our
technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we
desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life. You exist because
we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.
"

Rings a bell?


Your selective application of "risks" can only be logically explained by intense role playing of a renegade (with everything the word implies), yet I fear you are not looking for logical explanation even when you have pages of it.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 18 juin 2010 - 11:55 .

[neubourn]

Left him hooked up. That bastard spent the whole time sending Geth after me, activating turrets to shoot my Hammerhead down, and when i finally reach him, THEN he wanted me to "make it stop?"

Yeah, aint happening buddy, if you wanted me to "make it stop" then perhaps you shouldnt have tried to kill me at every step. RENEGADE FTW.

[Thompson family]

Freed him. Didn't hesitate at all.

[this isnt my name]

neubourn wrote...

Left him hooked up. That bastard spent the whole time sending Geth after me, activating turrets to shoot my Hammerhead down, and when i finally reach him, THEN he wanted me to "make it stop?"
Yeah, aint happening buddy, if you wanted me to "make it stop" then perhaps you shouldnt have tried to kill me at every step. RENEGADE FTW.

Nicely messed up view you have.

[The Elite Elite]

Neuzhelin wrote...
So you will do exactly as the reapers do: destroy a civilization? Because of  an ally you percieve a  risk? What, you can't rely on your own first hand  experience instead of relying on ancient Council data (that you probably killed anyways, that does not mention the Queens AT ALL?).

That's the thing. At that point you have no first hand experience with the Rachni. All you have to go on is the history of the Rachni Wars. So you'll ignore all that history you're given and just take the Queen at her word that the Rachni aren't normally aggressive but their "songs" somehow got "soured" all the while your hand is hovering above the two buttons that would either free her or destroy her? And how is that like the Reapers? They wait until organic life has advanced to a point they want then come in and wipe everyone out. Here we have a history of the Rachni being nothing but violent and never peaceful so I wipe them out because all the history points to them being nothing but dangerous.

But don't you see, pre-emptive strikes is what you do when you murder a nation/enslave a people or use them as tools whether it is Rachine, Krogan or Geth based on very limited info.. Unlike the reapers, you don't have any goals you just do it because it "risky".

This wasn't a pre-emptive strike. This was ensuring that the Rachni Wars were successful. I'm just taking the position that was already taken by every other organic species before humanity came on the scene.

Okay, so you give power to a Stalinistic dictator that thinks big. Muder some millions here, enslave a nation there, lose a world here, experiment on your own people there, attack the Quarian fleet here, use other races as "shock troops" as he calls the Cerberus experiments in ME1 there.... Funny you mention Hitler, because that is exactly what I picture with all the comments you have made. So in your case Sovereign was right "your salvation through destruction".

As I said. I already know that TIM isn't trustworthy and could very well use whatever tech we get to oppress nonhumans, but at the moment defeating the Reapers is all that matters. If we don't stop the Reapers there won't be a galaxy to live under the boot of a dictator TIM.

So you think a place CREATING a REAPER wouldn't have INDOCTRINATION PRESENT IN A REAPER when a REAPER that has been inactive for 37 million years still indoctrinates?

Collecter base does not equal a Reaper. Could it have indoctrination? Sure, but we don't know that.

Okay, let's imagine that Cerberus sacrafices enough lives to gather the needed data. They use Reaper technology against a reaper fleet - who do you think has the advantage? Now, let's imagine the impossible - Cerberus wins - they defeat the reapers with small numbers of inferior reaper based technology and there is a power vacuum. Do you think the council will just let Cerberus run the galaxy? Do you
think every single race will bow to humanity? Sure, they might after a
while - yet it is not worth finding the answer in that way. TIM has already started creating a reaper-human hybrid and that is not one that should run the galaxy. I believe you hadly think at all about the consequences.

Again, as I've said I know this could end with a dictator TIM and a galaxy in a war against humanity. However, I find that far more preferable to a galaxy that died because we didn't get the tech we needed to defeat the Reapers because of being afraid that TIM will abuse the tech.

Technology for free? Technology taken? Irrelevant. Okay you can ignore it because of slight variations, yet you talk some petty risks solved radically and ignorenot only the risk Cerberus with Reaper technology but the one with just Reaper technology?

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our
technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we
desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life. You exist because
we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.
"

Ring a bell?

The difference here is that the tech in the Collector base isn't likely something the Reapers ever thought we'd get our hands on. With that we might go further than they originally wanted us to. They didn't leave that tech around for us to gather like they left the relays.

Your selective application of "risks" can only be logically explained by intense role playing of a renegade (with everything the word implies), yet I fear you are not looking for logical explanation even when you have pages of it.

So because we come to different conclusions over these things it must be because I'm not thinking logically. Nope, only the people who agree with you are thinking logically.<_<

Modifié par The Elite Elite, 16 juin 2010 - 09:19 .

[Vhira]

I think the weight the decision carries depends on when you complete the quest. If you haven't met Legion yet, the Overlord decision becomes much more muddled in a gray region of morality. After talking with Legion for awhile, I don't really know why anyone would continue the project - the geth are likely a potential ally for ME3, and effective communication with them doesn't seem that far off in the future.

If the project continues, the goal is probably only to sway the geth and weaponize them.  I don't really condone that course of action.  Let the geth self-determinate; Cerberus has no business interfering, but the Illusive Man and Admiral Xen sure seem to have a lot of common goals.

Modifié par Vhira, 16 juin 2010 - 09:43 .

[ThisIsMadness91]

neubourn wrote...

Left him hooked up. That bastard spent the whole time sending Geth after me, activating turrets to shoot my Hammerhead down, and when i finally reach him, THEN he wanted me to "make it stop?"
Yeah, aint happening buddy, if you wanted me to "make it stop" then perhaps you shouldnt have tried to kill me at every step. RENEGADE FTW.

Um...what the hell? You do know it wasn't David that sent those synthetics after you, right? That it was the VI? David didn't want any of this, and you left him to suffer just because you were inconvenienced by less synthetics than you killed in the entirety of ME1 and ME2's main story? RENEGADE FTL!