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[Marstead]

...either has a VI-assisted brain (like President Huerta), or is an android (maybe has always been an android, at least since the real Shepard died on Akuze/Torfan/Elysium). The android theory is further backed up by the existence of grayboxes, and would make the resurrection of Shepard make a hell of a lot more sense.

Plus, BioWare likes BladeRunner.

The idea is that David was able to thoroughly interface with Shepard's entire consciousness, much like the other synthetics.

Discuss. As much as this seems "shark-jumpy" on first glance, if you really think about it, it would be a really great plot twist that would tie together the whole "Are synthetics living creatures?" theme of Mass Effect. And there's basically nothing that contradicts it, and a lot to support it.

[Pacifien]

I wouldn't mind if there was something akin to what happened to President Huerta with Shepard's own brain. And it does explain how Shepard was able to interface with the David-VI. Certainly adds to the whole synthetics debate.

Would also lead to a philosophical debate that if Shepard's brain was mostly replaced but the quantum bluebox interface that replaced it contains all of Shepard's memories and makes decisions as Shepard would have made them, then is it really Shepard?

[foolish replica]

well i'll take a stab at it, to me? yes. yes it does mean he is the person; if only for the simple (and probably laughable) reason that  that was the goal of the lazarus project, to bring him back in miranda's own words, exactly as he was
before his death.

Modifié par foolish replica, 16 juin 2010 - 03:34 .

[VettoRyouzou]

Umm... we all way known shepards had implants just play renegade shepard you see them in his eye and face david took control of these.

[SilentOne1]

I can't remember exactly what was said by Miranda in the logs on the Cerberus lab base that Shepard was on, but she did mention something about artificial biosynthesis (or something along those lines).

Perhaps Shepard has technical implants that cause enhanced biological regeneration (scientists obviously didn't have any chance to remove obsolete technology from a fully-healed Shepard's body).

[Foolsfolly]

Yeah, Shepard is a cyborg which is not what Shep was before their death. So Shepard isn't exactly like they were before.



And frankly, I'd almost rather Shepard be an android or a Ghost in the Shell style cyborg with implanted memories over "Shepard can survive reentry and we have tech that can reanimate two year old dead flesh."

[VettoRyouzou]

Really, I doubt he an android...seeing as his wounds clearly heal the more paragon he is he has implants that really isn't anything new in Mass effect allot of your character have implants hell Kaiden had a implant. All David did was take over these implants manly hacking shepards implanted eyes ((im assuming his old one did not live threw the trip)).

[Dave of Canada]

Shepard has implants inside of him regardless of how human he is, the entire reason why you slow down time as a Soldier is because of implants in the optics. Most classes explain the implants and such inside of Shepard, he's not completely human anymore since the Lazarus Project but he's still the same guy.



Although this does bring doubt to my happily ever after ending where Shepard rides off into the sunset and has bajillions of children who become his personal army.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shepard has implants inside of him regardless of how human he is, the entire reason why you slow down time as a Soldier is because of implants in the optics. Most classes explain the implants and such inside of Shepard, he's not completely human anymore since the Lazarus Project but he's still the same guy.

Although this does bring doubt to my happily ever after ending where Shepard rides off into the sunset and has bajillions of children who become his personal army.

You still have some hope.  ME 3 could end up turning into a Metal Gear game and indeed, you will have your own private army of yourself.  

[cbutz]

I think all the VI did was alter his sight so that he could see how the VI saw, which was crazy computer vision. Also during the beginning of the game (before you even make Sheps face) you see where the biotic parts are and where they put metal parts in. I wouldn't call him an android. Its the same brains etc. Most of his body is flesh, he just has a few upgrades.

[VettoRyouzou]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shepard has implants inside of him regardless of how human he is, the entire reason why you slow down time as a Soldier is because of implants in the optics. Most classes explain the implants and such inside of Shepard, he's not completely human anymore since the Lazarus Project but he's still the same guy.

Although this does bring doubt to my happily ever after ending where Shepard rides off into the sunset and has bajillions of children who become his personal army.

Not really Shepard all way had implants all be it he now has FAR MORE then any one person has ((Maybe out side of TiM)). But really he all way had them hell for shepard to even be able to be a biotic class he has to have implants. You have crew memeber with implants ((look at any engineer crew member power description)). Only reason david hit shepard and no one else is for two reasons. 1. Shepard the leader and 2. he pushed the button.

[Dave of Canada]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Not really Shepard all way had implants all be it he now has FAR MORE then any one person has ((Maybe out side of TiM)). But really he all way had them hell for shepard to even be able to be a biotic class he has to have implants. You have crew memeber with implants ((look at any engineer crew member power description)). Only reason david hit shepard and no one else is for two reasons. 1. Shepard the leader and 2. he pushed the button.

Yes, everybody has implants but none of it were completely tailored for a person such as Shepard. They were created for Shepard, the eyes are probably completely cybernetic (such as my example for the Soldier, it would sort of explain why Shepard is the only one who can 'slow' down time.) and that's why David was capable of taking control of it. There's also likely a part of Shepard's mind that was hacked for him to be capable of understanding David's yells.

[VettoRyouzou]

I'm not saying he not overlly implanted what I'm saying is implanted or not that shepard that not a clone that not a robot that the real deal shepard.

[Dave of Canada]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I'm not saying he not overlly implanted what I'm saying is implanted or not that shepard that not a clone that not a robot that the real deal shepard.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Shepard is still Shepard, he just isn't as human as.. other humans.

[Foolsfolly]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Really, I doubt he an android...seeing as his wounds clearly heal the more paragon he is he has implants that really isn't anything new in Mass effect allot of your character have implants hell Kaiden had a implant. All David did was take over these implants manly hacking shepards implanted eyes ((im assuming his old one did not live threw the trip)).

Ever see Terminator? The Terminator is a cyborg which means metal indoskeleton covered in organic flesh. Just because Shepard can heal doesn't mean Shepard isn't a cyborg. In fact, the different upgrades in the game have Shepard install better skin, muscle, and bone and even a nervous system to allow for better medi-gel application!

By the end of ME2 I'm not entirely sure what's not tampered with on Shepard.

[InHarmsWay]

Dave of Canada wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I'm not saying he not overlly implanted what I'm saying is implanted or not that shepard that not a clone that not a robot that the real deal shepard.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Shepard is still Shepard, he just isn't as human as.. other humans.

Exactly! Not to mention the two times he was scanned (first entry into Zakera Wards, first encounter with Aria). If he wasn't human or himself, the scans would say so. Aria mentions that Shepard could have been anyone, but the scans checked out. The scans at C-Sec, according to Bailey, are so sensitive that they would be able to pick up gene modifications, yet they didn't say, "You're an Android" or such.

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You still have some hope.  ME 3 could end up turning into a Metal Gear game and indeed, you will have your own private army of yourself.  

[Vaenier]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Shep is definitely organic; all the proof I need is the Prothean beacons that can only be accessed by an organic mind as a safety protocol against the Reapers.



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[JohnnyBeGood2]

With too many implants, Shep might have a bad experience with Harbi.... ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

(That's heavy risk, I know that would hurt my Shepard)

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 16 juin 2010 - 02:42 .

[primero holodon]

Wait... how does this prove anything? david was a human and could fully access the neural network. shepard is also a human and could acess the neural network. if they both access at the same time of course David could sync with shepard

[smudboy]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shepard has implants inside of him regardless of how human he is, the entire reason why you slow down time as a Soldier is because of implants in the optics. Most classes explain the implants and such inside of Shepard, he's not completely human anymore since the Lazarus Project but he's still the same guy.

Although this does bring doubt to my happily ever after ending where Shepard rides off into the sunset and has bajillions of children who become his personal army.

You still have some hope.  ME 3 could end up turning into a Metal Gear game and indeed, you will have your own private army of yourself.  

I think I'd accept this over your other Konami fixations *cough*Suikoden*cough*

Modifié par smudboy, 16 juin 2010 - 07:35 .

[smudboy]

Ecael wrote...

*imagines Raiden Kolyat summoning lightning bolts and slicing things with 180 degree control, multiple times. For no reason.*

Modifié par smudboy, 16 juin 2010 - 07:34 .

[GODzilla]

I think it's not that much of a myth that Shepard is literally stuffed with electronical and mechanical enhancements. But not only because of his resurection - during which you can clearly see Cerberus putting electronic stuff into his body - but also through the enhancements you can develop during the game.

Some of them include weaving artificial material into the skin, or adding some kind of super-strong metal to the bones.

BUT, what some seem to miss is the fact that these upgrades are not just for Shepard, but for the whole team.

So how special is Shepard really? The kind of technology you can get for Shepard and his teammates suggest that adding technical enhancements to the body is something commonplace in the Mass Effect universe. Robots and VIs, too.

Just a real AI, that is something that sticks out. Guess that would be the only thing surprising, a real twist: Shepard, an AI.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Sheppard is full of tech and nanites, just watch the opening, it's not hard to beleive that these could send signals through his nerves. He's basically a cyborg.