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[Teknor]

Liara missing DLC audio files clearly indicates that Harbinger wants Shepard's body because his mind was able to withstand the beacon. Saren did that too but maybe he was implanted while Shep was raw.

Modifié par Teknor, 17 juin 2010 - 04:15 .

[Pacifien]

I don't know why Shepard being able to withstand a prothean beacon is of any interest to the reapers, though. It didn't help the protheans withstand indoctrination, but it could be that there weren't any unindoctrinated protheans left by the time the beacon's message was sent out. It didn't help Saren, but he was likely already being indoctrinated by the time he found the first beacon.

I've wonder if it was Shepard's mind in particular that Harbinger wanted to infuse into the Human Reaper. All other humans for the body, Shepard for the brain.

[Kreid]

Pacifien wrote...

I don't know why Shepard being able to withstand a prothean beacon is of any interest to the reapers, though. It didn't help the protheans withstand indoctrination, but it could be that there weren't any unindoctrinated protheans left by the time the beacon's message was sent out. It didn't help Saren, but he was likely already being indoctrinated by the time he found the first beacon.
I've wonder if it was Shepard's mind in particular that Harbinger wanted to infuse into the Human Reaper. All other humans for the body, Shepard for the brain.

He probably was just impressed that a non-augmented, non-Prothean organic mind was able to withstand it and survive, if you recall Liara also tells you various times that the images would've destroyer a lesser mind.
Shepard is special, it's very clear the Reapers have an interest on him/her and it's because of his/her actions that they've decided humanity is "worthy of ascension", so yeah I'm pretty sure they want humanity's paladin to go straight into their new baby Reaper..

[inversevideo]

jkstexas2001 wrote...

Ignoring suspension of disbelief a moment - there is NO way they could bring back his memories. Even using his DNA to reconstruct his body and his brain - it would have been a blank slate. He was basically a cinder when they started and they had to start from scratch.

You spoke to Liara right?

"Did Cerberus ever tell you how they got you? I gave you to them"

Who is the one person who melded with Shepard?

Thoughts, memories, experiences, all that Shepard knew, was now known to Liara as well.

Interface Liara, with a gray box, and down load all of Shepards memories.
Rebuild Shepard's brain, and augment with bio-synthetics, implant the gray box, and now Shepard's memories have a shell once more.  The organic equivalent, of a Geth, downloading runtimes to a mobile platform.

[tmk]

That would imply they melded right before the attack, otherwise Shepard wouldn't remember much beyond right before Ilos.

[InHarmsWay]

I'll have to disagree with the Liara idea. In Mass Effect Redemption, Liara gives the body to Cerberus and then leaves. No, "I'll restore his memories." And like tmk said, she would have to have mind-melded with him during the attack for him to remember it.

[The Grey Ranger]

Just out of curiosity, do we know for a fact that Shepard, went through atmosperic entry? It's not represented in the game, is it in the comics? Also, the implied time frame of two years isn't really accurate. We know that it took them nearly 2 years to do the rebuild so the decay cycle for Shep isn't that long. So if Shep's body was recovered from orbit rather than planet side that changes things at least a little.

[The Grey Ranger]

stupid double post

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 18 juin 2010 - 10:35 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

No, its just a small DLC that manages to create a plot hole

[ElitePinecone]

The Grey Ranger wrote...

Just out of curiosity, do we know for a fact that Shepard, went through atmosperic entry? It's not represented in the game, is it in the comics? Also, the implied time frame of two years isn't really accurate. We know that it took them nearly 2 years to do the rebuild so the decay cycle for Shep isn't that long. So if Shep's body was recovered from orbit rather than planet side that changes things at least a little.

It's never specifically stated that s/he went through re-entry. Also, despite the fact that Shepard only had his/her hardsuit on when s/he was spaced, the Redemption comics mention that his/her body lies in some kind of stasis pod. 

We could assume that a team responded fairly quickly to the Normandy's destruction (i.e. to pick up the escape pods with the crewmembers) - within a day or two of Shepard's 'death'. Within a month (going by the Redemption comics), Shepard's body has been recovered by the Blue Suns/Shadow Broker - except that it's now in a pod. 

It's not unreasonable to assume that Shepard was just floating in space for a few days/weeks before s/he was recovered by a mercenary team or the Shadow Broker's people. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 18 juin 2010 - 11:03 .

[Inverness Moon]

ElitePinecone wrote...

The Grey Ranger wrote...

Just out of curiosity, do we know for a fact that Shepard, went through atmosperic entry? It's not represented in the game, is it in the comics? Also, the implied time frame of two years isn't really accurate. We know that it took them nearly 2 years to do the rebuild so the decay cycle for Shep isn't that long. So if Shep's body was recovered from orbit rather than planet side that changes things at least a little.

It's never specifically stated that s/he went through re-entry. Also, despite the fact that Shepard only had his/her hardsuit on when s/he was spaced, the Redemption comics mention that his/her body lies in some kind of stasis pod. 

We could assume that a team responded fairly quickly to the Normandy's destruction (i.e. to pick up the escape pods with the crewmembers) - within a day or two of Shepard's 'death'. Within a month (going by the Redemption comics), Shepard's body has been recovered by the Blue Suns/Shadow Broker - except that it's now in a pod. 

It's not unreasonable to assume that Shepard was just floating in space for a few days/weeks before s/he was recovered by a mercenary team or the Shadow Broker's people. 

Isn't Shepard's body shown entering the atmosphere in that cutscene at the beginning of ME2? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the trail of fire.

[hawat333]

David took control of the body (then let it go, or couldn't keep it up) and the senses.

Which actually strenghtens what we already know, that Shepard was rebuilt by an insane amount of Japaneese import.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Inverness Moon wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

The Grey Ranger wrote...

Just out of curiosity, do we know for a fact that Shepard, went through atmosperic entry? It's not represented in the game, is it in the comics? Also, the implied time frame of two years isn't really accurate. We know that it took them nearly 2 years to do the rebuild so the decay cycle for Shep isn't that long. So if Shep's body was recovered from orbit rather than planet side that changes things at least a little.

It's never specifically stated that s/he went through re-entry. Also, despite the fact that Shepard only had his/her hardsuit on when s/he was spaced, the Redemption comics mention that his/her body lies in some kind of stasis pod. 

We could assume that a team responded fairly quickly to the Normandy's destruction (i.e. to pick up the escape pods with the crewmembers) - within a day or two of Shepard's 'death'. Within a month (going by the Redemption comics), Shepard's body has been recovered by the Blue Suns/Shadow Broker - except that it's now in a pod. 

It's not unreasonable to assume that Shepard was just floating in space for a few days/weeks before s/he was recovered by a mercenary team or the Shadow Broker's people. 

Isn't Shepard's body shown entering the atmosphere in that cutscene at the beginning of ME2? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the trail of fire.

Hard to tell, you could see the star coming up over the horizon perhaps it was just light bouncing off the atmosphere.  They weren't close enough for re-entry at that pace I don't think.

[Pacifien]

Inverness Moon wrote...
Isn't Shepard's body shown entering the atmosphere in that cutscene at the beginning of ME2? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the trail of fire.

While it might have looked like that's what Shepard's body was doing, I figured that it was shown that way more for dramatic effect than an actual reentry. And I like Onyx Jaguar's description of the star's light reflecting in a certain way.

Jacob says Shepard was meat and tubes when he first saw him. Miranda only mentions the effects of long-term exposure to space when describing first obtaining the body. I figure Jacob was using a bit of hyperbole in his description, saying Shepard was just a body with a lot of medical devices attached.

[Inverness Moon]

Tighue wrote...

Commander Shepard is a Cylon!

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Those human form cylons are too human. It is not interesting that way...

Man I hate this forum software. It is utter rubbish.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 18 juin 2010 - 05:47 .

[crimzontearz]

uhm...shepard MUST have VIs to assist him simply because a good percentage of his body is cybernetic.....that does not mean such VIs control him or make up his thought processes....just that they are needed for the cfunctionality of his implants like it is logical to assume

[Foolsfolly]

It looks like he's hitting atmosphere to me. It doesn't look like a reflection of light and his helmet is scorched and found on the planet.

[Pacifien]

Foolsfolly wrote...
It looks like he's hitting atmosphere to me. It doesn't look like a reflection of light and his helmet is scorched and found on the planet.

You introduce a lot more issues by having Shepard go through reentry. First issue (and probably the only issue) would be: how did the body not completely disintegrate? I mean, completely.

[Foolsfolly]

I know that, Pacifien, but it's in the game. He's going through reentry as the title cuts in. There's also the fact that Legion seemingly found the N7 armor on that planet which suggests that the Blue Suns cut Shepard out of the armor.



I guess you could say that Shepard had multiple Onyx armors laying around, and who'd say otherwise, but again the opening cinematic shows the beginning of atmospheric entry.

[The Grey Ranger]

I really just can't bring myself to buy into the fact that Shepard went through reentry. Even, leaving aside the fact that there would only be ash scattered over a large area, a human body does not survive in recognizable form, hitting the ground a several thousand kph or even several hundred.



As for the helmet I can easily come up with several explanations that are more likely than it having survived reentry. Heck, maybe it was Shep's good luck/first helmet that survived Akuze/Torfin/Elisyum.



Also Foolsfolly I guess I'm seeing it differently. I don't see any real evidence of reentry in the opening.

[tmk]

The Grey Ranger wrote...
I really just can't bring myself to buy into the fact that Shepard went through reentry. Even, leaving aside the fact that there would only be ash scattered over a large area, a human body does not survive in recognizable form, hitting the ground a several thousand kph or even several hundred.

People tend to associate reentry with burning up because they think of Space Shuttle or Apollo, but those reenter at very high speeds due to the nature of the orbits they're coming in from. We don't really know whether Normandy had any sort of orbital velocity relative to the planet. In fact it most likely did not, or it wouldn't actually crash planetside. It also wouldn't pick up thousands of kph just by falling from a few hundred kilometers height.

There's also such thing as a "terminal velocity". At a certain velocity, air drag becomes stronger than gravity, slowing you down - so it's kinda hard to fall faster than that (unless, again, you come in at several kps and burn up before you slow down). Granted, terminal velocity is still enough to get you killed, but it is "slow" enough that the body wouldn't completely disintegrate on impact. Kinetic barriers could theoretically soften the impact somewhat.