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What is the worst "successful" console ever made?


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Elaborating on my thread title, I'm talking about consoles which are historically seen as successful, including consoles that were competitive enough despite not winning the console war of their respective generation such as the Sega Genesis during the 16 bit era and the original Xbox during the 6th generation.

EDIT:just to clarify, I'm talking about consoles that were successful.  That means consoles like the N64, PS1, PS2, Super NES, Sega Genesis, original Nintendo etc.  This does not include failures like the Sega CD, Virtual Boy, 3DO, Dreamcast, etc.

My personal pick would be the Nintendo 64.  Gamers who are in their mid to late 20's probably remember when the Nintendo 64 was originally codenamed Project Reality.  Nintendo said that the CG scans used in the marketing for Donkey Kong country would be possible on Project Reality and that it uses the same power as CG super computers by Silicon Graphics used in movies like Jurassic Park.
It went on for a while.  In fact, I think the first time I heard of Project Reality was way back in late 1994.  Sega and Sony had recently released their flagship consoles of that respective generation in Japan, then rumors of Nintendo developing some new super console emerged.  The hype was unprecedented.  Finally, details of the console were revealed and it was called the Ultra 64.  Some beta shots of Mario 64 were released and while it looked good it didn't hold a candle to the CG stills that Nintendo said the console would be capable of.
Finally the system was released in Japan and it only had 3 launch games.  Pilotwings 64, Mario 64 and some weird chess games.
I was so hyped for this console that I talked my mom into importing one from Japan for me by lying about completing a math quiz or something, don't remember the exacty details, I was 13 at the time.  Man was a I dissapointed.  Those silicon graphics turned out to be a blurry, hazy mess.  I wasn't even sure if this system was more graphically capable than the Playstation.
Nintendo made some really stupid decisions in this system's design, most notably giving the console a cartridge format rather than a CD.  This move cost them Square and Enix.  I remember Nintendo grew extremely arrogant and dismissive of such criticism going so far as to say that RPG gamers are not real gamers and that the lack of games on the N64 was due to the company's focus on "quality over quantity.
This was especially ironic since as it turns out 90 percent of the n64's library was complete trash.  
One thing about nostalgia is that we tend to only think about the good things in the past we remember.  That is why people forget that for every Zelda OOT, Goldeneye, and Mario 64 there were 10 Deadly Arts, Hybrid Heavens(one of the worst RPGs ever made) and Quest 64s.
Had the Nintendo 64 been made by any other company I think it would've doomed them, especially considering Sega went down with the Dreamcast even though that was a great console that was way ahead of it's time.

The n64's technology was dated even before it was released.  The graphical potential could never be realized due to the decision to make it cartridge based.  This decision was probably the worst flub ever made in the gaming industry right next to Daikatana and ET for the 2600 and Nintendo's prestige is the only thing that saved them from going down Sega's path.

So yeah, in conclusion the n64 sucked and I think it's the worst of all the consoles which are historically seen as at least somewhat successful.

Modifié par Busomjack, 16 juin 2010 - 06:57 .


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Sega CD

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gmartin40 wrote...

Sega CD


You misunderstood my thread.  I'm talking about consoles that were considered successful.  The Sega CD was a failure.

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Let me just try and clarify this. You don't mean the least Successful console, you mean the worst of the successful consoles, correct.

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The ps2 and the Wii

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All of them.

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The PS2 sucked booty cheeks and the Dreamcast sucked booty cheeks

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Yes I'd have agree the Wii hands down is the "Worst Successful Console". It has poor graphics, a bad game library and it road its way to the top on a gimmick. The only thing it really has going for it is the first party titles.

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Celrath wrote...

Let me just try and clarify this. You don't mean the least Successful console, you mean the worst of the successful consoles, correct.


Yes.  That is correct.

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The PS2. For years, the best thing on it was Twisted Metal Black, and nothing else. Eventually, Shadow of the Colossus and God of War came out...but it was too little, too late. I had already sold mine.

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gmartin40 wrote...

The PS2 sucked booty cheeks and the Dreamcast sucked booty cheeks


Dreamcast doesn't count.  That system was a financial failure.  I would argue against it sucking since I thought it was a fantastic console due to it's graphics which were way ahead of it's time, it's excellent library of games, and built in online play but that is an argument for another thread.

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I agree with Celrath, I mean for it's time the PS2 was ok and was a stepping stone for the graphics we now hold... which are amazing and so realistic. But the Wii? Nintendo got lazy and just thew out an unfinished project with graphics I consider worse than the PS2, games that have no point and controls that are wonkier than drunk driving.

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The DreamCast was the best of the failed consoles in my opinion. First to have online game play, good graphics for its time, and you could play PlayStation one games on it using the third party app Bleem.

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I think the Wii may be my second pick. It's like Nintendo thought of a new gimmick for the Nintendo Gamecube and then realized that they could sell it as a new console which is basically just a slightly overclocked gamecube packed in with the gimmick.

It would be like if Nintendo released the original NES with a slightly more powerful processor and the powerglove.

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Celrath wrote...

The DreamCast was the best of the failed consoles in my opinion. First to have online game play, good graphics for its time, and you could play PlayStation one games on it using the third party app Bleem.


I agree.  I remember when I heard news of Sega discontinuing support my initial reaction was shock.  I was like "what?  Why?"  I thought it may have been a joke even, I couldn't believe it.  Then I was angry, first at Sega for giving up, then at consumers for forsaking this console all because the PS2 was hailed as the second coming of christ.  As it turned out the first gen PS2 games looked nowhere near as good as the Sega Dreamcast's.
The Sega Dreamcast's failure was the saddest day of my gaming life, even sadder than when Working Designs collapsed.

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Busomjack wrote...

I think the Wii may be my second pick. It's like Nintendo thought of a new gimmick for the Nintendo Gamecube and then realized that they could sell it as a new console which is basically just a slightly overclocked gamecube packed in with the gimmick.
It would be like if Nintendo released the original NES with a slightly more powerful processor and the powerglove.


Not true the graphic are about twice that of the original Xbox, but still it was leap frogged by the "power houses" of Microsoft and Sony. 

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On an unrelated post, Cel you should put a URL link in your sig... but then again most people have heard of NAF at this point.



I remember when I played my first 64 game... ah good times. Of course that was also the last time I played it because I was fighting with my sis over wanting more time, I gave it to her and went to the bathroom and she dropped the remote which aparently made the 64 never work again... who knew?

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Celrath wrote...

The DreamCast was the best of the failed consoles in my opinion. First to have online game play, good graphics for its time, and you could play PlayStation one games on it using the third party app Bleem.


I bought it just for Shenmue, and hoped it would last long enough to complete the trilogy.

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I'm pretty sure the hardware of the Wii is virtually identical to the gamecube except with an overclocked processor. Specific details are sparse though so I can't confirm.



It sure doesn't look twice as powerful as the Xbox.

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Busomjack wrote...

I think the Wii may be my second pick. It's like Nintendo thought of a new gimmick for the Nintendo Gamecube and then realized that they could sell it as a new console which is basically just a slightly overclocked gamecube packed in with the gimmick.
It would be like if Nintendo released the original NES with a slightly more powerful processor and the powerglove.

Look at the new Bond game their throwing out. The 007 game everyone loved in their N64, just for the Wii. No upgraded graphics, just the same thing. I really don;t get it. But it's getting geat reviews once it's out! Give it a 10 and take out 2.5 for being a Wii game.;)

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All Nintendo consoles, but mostly the Wii

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I thought the new Goldeneye was a complete remake.

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Busomjack wrote...

I'm pretty sure the hardware of the Wii is virtually identical to the gamecube except with an overclocked processor. Specific details are sparse though so I can't confirm.

It sure doesn't look twice as powerful as the Xbox.




Here is a comparason of the Wii graphics with the original Xbox



Xbox


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Wii



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The Wii Graphics are clearly much better.

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the Wii

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X-Box & Wii are equally as bad as each other lol.