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[Phaelducan]

2H is pretty rough in the beginning... I second that. It is very frustrating to miss either as a matter of course or worse if it dies during your attack delay from something else. It's great with Haste though.

[Elhanan]

While I disliked the slow auto-attacks at the beginning of the game, once both Sunder talents are available, and enough stamina to keep the build going, I was surprised at how effective and fun this could be. And I never used Haste, though I can see why most do.

[Phaelducan]

Did you not use Haste once your auto-attacks could kill trash mobs? You hit a point pretty early once you get Starfang and can cast Haste that non-elite monsters are one-hit wonders. At that point, generally the only active talent I used consistently was 2H sweep, and other talent spammeage on melee yellows.



That's just me though.

[Elhanan]

No Haste at all. Once I obtained Evon/ Wade mail combo with Beserker, I could place a talent on almost every foe each segment of melee. It was the fastest Arch-demon visit, too.

[Unrefined-Nemesis]

Priority of a 2 Hander would be getting 42 STR as soon as possible to equip Massive armour, Blood Dragon Plate armour DLC helps early on but loses its charm after level 10 or 12 once it gets harder.



After getting 42 STR, I personally went for 2 STR 1 DEX after each level. I found that I dealt less damage than my pure STR 2 hander but I survived longer with the high defence and missed less often. There's no point adding Willpower: Andruil's Blessing + Spellward + Champion Spec + Fade bonuses gets it to 20+ enough for the entire game.



I don't use haste but use swift salves a lot since I run on solo nightmare, but if you're running on a party get haste it will help but it reduces the ability for your mage to spend that mana else where for AOE or other spells. Use swift salves instead for my advice.



Armour wise:

Evon + Wade's Superior or Warden's Keep DLC

Cailan's Armour is awesome at out healing the damage taken but on a 2 hander it sucks unless its on a S&S character than its good.

[Last Darkness]

Phaelducan wrote...

I don't think he was asking about a solo run... he even mentioned a problem being healed in his first post.

Templar I would agree is the wisest choice for primary spec on a NM run, but redundant mage killing talents are never a bad thing when one bad spell can force a reload.

If you really want to be safe, have either 2 mages and a rogue or 2 rogues and a mage and set all tactics for #1 priority Mana Clash or Arrow of Slaying for mages.

Then keep Scattershot ready in case of Overwhelms, and you shouldn't have to worry about being one-shotted.

My mistake im sorry, I thought that was for another discussion topic im following lol.

[Arttis]

BLood dragon plate at least on the x box seems to be the best massive armor in the game for increased survival.

I only have SHale DLC.

and some promo items.

[beancounter501]

Elhanan wrote...

No Haste at all. Once I obtained Evon/ Wade mail combo with Beserker, I could place a talent on almost every foe each segment of melee. It was the fastest Arch-demon visit, too.

This - that is the heart and soul of playing a two hand warrior.  Actually, almost any warrior.  Use those talents!  This may come as a shocker, but in my full warrior party the Dual Weld was starting to lose to both a 2 Hand and S&S in total dmg.  Until, I dropped relying on auto attacks and started pumping out talents.  Punisher/Flurry/Dual Sweep/Riptose/Whirlwind > Auto attack.  No joke.

[Last Darkness]

beancounter501 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

No Haste at all. Once I obtained Evon/ Wade mail combo with Beserker, I could place a talent on almost every foe each segment of melee. It was the fastest Arch-demon visit, too.

This - that is the heart and soul of playing a two hand warrior.  Actually, almost any warrior.  Use those talents!  This may come as a shocker, but in my full warrior party the Dual Weld was starting to lose to both a 2 Hand and S&S in total dmg.  Until, I dropped relying on auto attacks and started pumping out talents.  Punisher/Flurry/Dual Sweep/Riptose/Whirlwind > Auto attack.  No joke.

Boo for Auto Attack duel wielders lol
I still find it surprising how much damage sword and shield puts out when your a Str spec instead of a Dex one.

[Elhanan]

I have also used a STR based S&S Warden, though his DEX was good, too. The damage for both Sword and Shield were quite good. However, I still found the character less fun to play than 2H, or my Rogue builds. Still, it was staifying to be able to utterly crush Arl Howe with the Cousland family shield.

[Last Darkness]

Elhanan wrote...

I have also used a STR based S&S Warden, though his DEX was good, too. The damage for both Sword and Shield were quite good. However, I still found the character less fun to play than 2H, or my Rogue builds. Still, it was staifying to be able to utterly crush Arl Howe with the Cousland family shield.

I plan to reload that fight however many times as needed to make sure I get a "Messy kill" animation on him with the Cousland sword and shield.

[Elhanan]

^ I finished it with a high STR Shield Bash; quite satisfying. And when the Cousland 2H daughter encountered him, when he lays in his own blood and states, "I deserved more", I agree and hit him again....

[Phaelducan]

@beancounter501



I'm not suggesting that talents are bad. I'm suggesting that dead is dead. Once you get Starfang and a decent rune set you can kill the majority of trash mobs with one auto-attack. I see no reason to use sunder armor on some junk darkspawn if a standard attack will kill them.



However, on elites talents become much more important, or you can play tactically to set yourself up for constant 2H Sweep spam with multiple opponents around you.



Talents are great, but if you don't need to expend stamina to kill an opponent... why bother?

[Elhanan]

^ One of the reason I prefer Talents is that I wish to play my character; not the party Rogue, Mage, etc. While an auto-attack may kill that Darkspawn grunt if it hits, the Sunder attacks appear faster, and I am able to better decide what and where to go next. I do not consider it a bother, but rather as fun being involved, and not simply watching the AI run everything.

[Phaelducan]

There are still tactical decisions involved, such as which enemies to target and in what order. There are also lots of opportunities for sunders on elites or and sweeps on groups. The only thing I found is that using talents constantly on every mob that I could made fights take longer.



Similarly with DW, there just isn't a reason to use a talent on one stand-alone white monster if half an auto attack sequence would kill them. That doesn't mean you won't use talents... as whirlwinds and sweeps are better to use when you can hit two targets.



Auto-attack does have a purpose...and so do using talents. No reason both can't be applicable in different situations.

[Last Darkness]

I wanna try Warden+Alistair(Maybe Alistair sword and shield though) Spamming duel wields AoEs along with Sten+Ohgren spamming two handed sweep in group encounters.

My next play through im gonna be a Elven Duel Wield Warrior and at inspiration from beancounter501 gonna try the 4 warrior party.

[Yrkoon]

Gnoster wrote...
 I do find dualwield more fun personally and I think I'll find sword and shield more fun as well, but again this is purely a personal preference thing pertaining to roleplaying aspects and looks of the animations.

Once again thanks for all the advice given, it has really helped a lot with my experimenting.

Glad you're enjoying your warrior runs.


I'd have to say that as far as battle-enjoyment, I rate the warrior styles like this:
1) 2-hander
2) Dual wielder
3) Archer
4) Sword and Shield

I like the 2-hander the best for its explosiveness,  It's just fun to play and watch, like some big knockout punching heavyweight boxer.  a close second would be dual wielder, due to their buzz-saw like speed on the battlefield  (it's nice putting darkspawn through a blender  on its highest setting).  3rd is Archery,  simply because its fun  killing things from a distance.


Last is Sword and Shield.    I just found them...  boring by comparison.   They're neither explosive  knockout artists, nor speedy buzz-saws.  They're something in between, and they stay that way till the very end (which means there's really nothing to strive for.  You know they'll never be as powerful as 2-handers, nor as quick as dualwielders).  Their talents are   unimaginitive and there isn't a whole lot of variety in them  (gee, do I want to activate talent X and hit the guy 3 times?  Or do I want to activate talent Y and hit the guy 4 times?)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 24 juin 2010 - 11:27 .

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

I more or less agree with Yrkoon's list.



1) 2H and DW are tied for me

2) haven't done this on a warrior, but my rogue archer is going to be interesting.

Dead Last) SnS. boring as hell to me, and they don't have anything to strive for, like you said.

[Urazz]

Yrkoon wrote...

Gnoster wrote...
 I do find dualwield more fun personally and I think I'll find sword and shield more fun as well, but again this is purely a personal preference thing pertaining to roleplaying aspects and looks of the animations.

Once again thanks for all the advice given, it has really helped a lot with my experimenting.

Glad you're enjoying your warrior runs.


I'd have to say that as far as battle-enjoyment, I rate the warrior styles like this:
1) 2-hander
2) Dual wielder
3) Archer
4) Sword and Shield

I like the 2-hander the best for its explosiveness,  It's just fun to play and watch, like some big knockout punching heavyweight boxer.  a close second would be dual wielder, due to their buzz-saw like speed on the battlefield  (it's nice putting darkspawn through a blender  on its highest setting).  3rd is Archery,  simply because its fun  killing things from a distance.


Last is Sword and Shield.    I just found them...  boring by comparison.   They're neither explosive  knockout artists, nor speedy buzz-saws.  They're something in between, and they stay that way till the very end (which means there's really nothing to strive for.  You know they'll never be as powerful as 2-handers, nor as quick as dualwielders).  Their talents are   unimaginitive and there isn't a whole lot of variety in them  (gee, do I want to activate talent X and hit the guy 3 times?  Or do I want to activate talent Y and hit the guy 4 times?)

I agree.  I would actually use Sword and Shield more often if it actually had some more variety in it's abilities.  Hell, there are 2 wasted sustainable abilities that I don't use once I get the shield wall sustainable.  Maybe if it had an AOE attack or two, I would get it but otherwise, it's only useful for tanking really.

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

even then, tanking can barely be called necessary in DA. when 2Hers and DWers can charge into a room, and either gun straight for the mages, or just annihilate half the room with a couple of moves, everyone else can just go nuts with damage. no tanking necessary.

[Last Darkness]

yasuraka.hakkyou wrote...

even then, tanking can barely be called necessary in DA. when 2Hers and DWers can charge into a room, and either gun straight for the mages, or just annihilate half the room with a couple of moves, everyone else can just go nuts with damage. no tanking necessary.

The best Defense is a Overwhelming Offense

[drew-]

A good tactic early on is to have your sword and board use shield bash when your character is being attacked. It takes alot of aggro off of your character. My 2 hander dwarf on nightmare acts as crowd control, dealing massive damage. Use poison making early on to deal extra damage as a crowd control warrior

[Simbacca]

Just finally got DA:O here and have found this thread helpful since I decided to run through as a 2-handed Noble Dwarf Warrior first (and how strange it was during the origin to see I was supposed to be the middle child when I made my dwarf look as old as the king, except with a red skin tone).  I'm just out of the origin so not too far into the game yet, but have been dumping all points into Strength as I see suggested for this type Warrior.  My skills so far are Coercion I and Expert Combat Training III with my talents being Sunder Arms, Pommel Strike, Mighty Blow, and Indomitable.  I was thinking of trying Beancounter's suggestions of getting Two-Handed Sweep by level 10 and Death Blow by level 12.

My simple little question is, how do I get enough Cunning to max out my Coercion?  It's at base 10 now, so I'm assuming the 'all-points-into-strength' recommendation must be based on earning the needed Cunning points through quest bonuses.  If that's the case, which quests should I take early enough to the that extra Cunning and how soon should I acquire higher Coercion to have all conversations options available to me when needed?

Modifié par Simbacca, 17 juin 2011 - 08:02 .

[Odoyle]

Simbacca wrote...

Just finally got DA:O here and have found this thread helpful since I decided to run through as a 2-handed Noble Dwarf Warrior first (and how strange it was during the origin to see I was supposed to be the middle child when I made my dwarf look as old as the king, except with a red skin tone).  I'm just out of the origin so not too far into the game yet, but have been dumping all points into Strength as I see suggested for this type Warrior.  My skills so far are Coercion I and Expert Combat Training III with my talents being Sunder Arms, Pommel Strike, Mighty Blow, and Indomitable.  I was thinking of trying Beancounter's suggestions of getting Two-Handed Sweep by level 10 and Death Blow by level 12.

My simple little question is, how do I get enough Cunning to max out my Coercion?  It's at base 10 now, so I'm assuming the 'all-points-into-strength' recommendation must be based on earning the needed Cunning points through quest bonuses.  If that's the case, which quests should I take early enough to the that extra Cunning and how soon should I acquire higher Coercion to have all conversations options available to me when needed?

Sorry for answering this 6 days late, you may have found an answer by now.

When you seek help from the Circle of Magi using the Grey Warden Treaties, part of the quest involves entering the Fade. While you are inside, you will get a bunch of attribute bonuses, including 5 points to cunning. 

[Yrkoon]

Yep. Go to the Circle tower as soon as you're able. Though I will point out that  There's only 4 points of cunning to be had there. Which can be a minor problem since tier 4 Coersion requires 16 cunning and your Dwarf only has 10. Obviously, you will  later want to either spend 2 points on cunning with level ups, or, purchase 2 tomes of mortal vessel and use them  for cunning points.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 28 juin 2011 - 12:38 .