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[Khayness]

Atleast in The Witcher the women (maybe except for Triss) wore normal armor, not bikini and stilettos. In that way they were more mature than the rest of the gaming industry.

[hangmans tree]

Theres a great character in the books called Black Rayla...a mercenary captain (IIRC)...Only few guest apperances, but man, she really had something...and no, it wasnt F cup



When Scoia'Tael surrounded her unit (covering retreating civilians) she was the last "man" standing. Elves gave her a choice to give up: "just throw down your sword..."

in reply she spoke: "it was too expensive to throw it around elf"





...listen to me rummbling again...

[Loerwyn]

I think as soon as you start putting sex and sexual imagery into games, you run into being "immature", but it's not. Sex is a normal part of life, and like it or not people have sex. No, the woman down the road might not put out for a bunch of flowers, but then again it's a different society - one that you could argue didn't exist (although it could easily be based off European society of that time. Certainly makes me think of the Middle Ages in England).

It's nice to see women like Triss actually in clothing for once as Khayness said, though. Makes a nice change. Hell, even the prostitutes and sex workers in-game are more modest in their choice of attire than some characters in other games.

[Noir201]

From what i seen, The Witcher 2 looks very intresting, and now has companions, which (correct me if i'm wrong as i don't have the first one) The Witcher hasn't, while the first game i hear is ment to be good, i would defo be intrested in the 2nd one.

[Rzepik2]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I think as soon as you start putting sex and sexual imagery into games, you run into being "immature", but it's not. Sex is a normal part of life, and like it or not people have sex. No, the woman down the road might not put out for a bunch of flowers, but then again it's a different society - one that you could argue didn't exist (although it could easily be based off European society of that time. Certainly makes me think of the Middle Ages in England).
It's nice to see women like Triss actually in clothing for once as Khayness said, though. Makes a nice change. Hell, even the prostitutes and sex workers in-game are more modest in their choice of attire than some characters in other games.

I agree. There was a lot of sexual content, but it was realistic, no chainmail bikini and things like that.
Hate cards though. Srsly, it reminds me Magic or something  "Ok, so I will now tap my Witch to cast... Oh wait."

About Triss - Her dress was too scant anyway. In books she's avoiding showing her breasts as hell.

Modifié par Rzepik2, 17 juin 2010 - 08:15 .

[HoonDing]

"A Witcher! Hide your women!"

[Blind Bard]

Seagloom wrote...

As far as looks go, well... I'm a casual fan of REH Conan stories and feel Frank Frazetta's work was often great. I'm not against fantastically sized proportions for men or women in fantasy. It's just that other than mages, the Witcher didn't strike me as that kind of larger-than-life fantasy setting of big, unstoppable heroes and flawless, curvaceous women. It's a video game though, so... what can you do?

"Now, there is a tendency at a point like this to look over one's shoulder at the cover artist and start going on at length about leather, thighboots and naked blades. Words like 'full', 'round' and even 'pert' creep into the narrative, until the writer has to go and have a cold hower and a lie down. Which is all rather silly, because any woman  setting out to make a living by the sword isn't about to go around looking like something off the cover of the more advanced kind of lingerie catalogue for the specialised buyer.

Oh well, all right.

The point that must be made is that although Herrena the Henna-Haired Harridan would look quite stunning after a good bath, a heavy-duty manicure, and the pick of the leather racks in Woo Hun Ling's Oriental
Exotica and Martial Aids on Heroes Street, she was currently quite sensibly dressed in light chain mail, soft boots, and a short sword.

All right, maybe the boots were leather. But not black.

Riding with her were a number of swarthy men that will certainly be killed before too
long anyway, so a description is probably not essential. There was absolutely nothing pert about any of them.

Look, they can wear leather if you like."

- Terry Pratchett, describing Herrena, a swordswoman and her mercenary band. I think he has this pinned.

Modifié par Blind Bard, 17 juin 2010 - 11:15 .

[HoonDing]

Do people really think the chainmail bikini is more ridiculous than Conan's lion cloth? At least the chainmail bikini has a purpose: first to distract men in combat, second to attract men that would force them upon a woman so that they can be killed.



But of course, both Conan & Red Sonja were blessed by gods, so they didn't even need the armour.

[Seagloom]

Conan was blessed by gods? I missed that story. I don't find chainmail bikinis any more or less plausible than Hyboria's "fashion". The only difference is the women in Conan stories usually wear equivalent outfits made of cloth rather than scales or chain. Since bikini wearing Sonja is a Marvel reinvention, I don't count her.



In any case I think the Witcher gave me mixed signals. It's a gritty, yet not exactly low magic setting. Also as pointed out, not every woman dresses down. I had trouble equating it with the likes of Conan. I'm probably expecting too much from it.

[Rubbish Hero]

Frank Frazetta probably has alot to do with woman in fantasy games wearing very little.

[Alexine]

virumor wrote...

"A Witcher! Hide your women!"

Haha, I used to remember that quote by the NPCs in the first one.

The Witcher was such an interesting game, and I have nothing against the sexualisation of women, since it's obvious about that part through this series. And at least they don't do any fanservice in TW, which is a serious turn-off from other games (including ME2).

As for the crappy VO, it could be a quick dubbing done to present the look of the game. They did that for the leaked alpha version of the game.

But other than that, I'm actually excited about TW2. I actually liked Geralt's new look with the hairtie, but he does look a LOT younger. I never liked Triss and I preferred Shani and she had a reasonable rack.

[thegoldfinch]

I'm definitely going for Dragon Age 2.

The Witcher sequel... Well, no thanks. I'm glad some of you guys had fun with it, but I personally hated the thing. The complicated combat, the WoW-like quests, the goofy storyline, and the incredible amount of hey look, boobies boobies boobies! everywhere. I hate to come off as some mean, scorned feminist but, wow, the amount of objectification seriously offended me and turned me off to the whole game. Have sex with ridiculously proportioned women and collect all their porn cards? Really? It felt very... I don't know, "teenagery" and boys club.

I wanted to give TW2 a chance, but now it's the awful voice acting and funky combat system I saw in the E3 demo that's turning me off. Man, I could not go for a few seconds of that demo without wanting to punch Triss in her big blabbing face.

Ah, well. I'll do what I always do and watch walkthroughs of it on youtube to see if it's worth my money. I hope you guys get a kick out of it, at least.

Modifié par pixieface, 18 juin 2010 - 02:17 .

[Rzepik2]

Seagloom wrote...


In any case I think the Witcher gave me mixed signals. It's a gritty, yet not exactly low magic setting. Also as pointed out, not every woman dresses down. I had trouble equating it with the likes of Conan. I'm probably expecting too much from it.

The setting is low magic (except planewalking). The game isn't Signs should be almost useless in battle and in the game I defeated last boss without using a sword <_<  

pixieface wrote...
the WoW-like quests

So Dragon Age doesn't have WoW-like quests, huh?

Modifié par Rzepik2, 18 juin 2010 - 06:06 .

[Blind Bard]

I think that by WoW-like quests, pixieface means "bring me 10 daisies" or "bring me 10 heads of monster X". I don't remember such quests in Dragon Age. Were they? And I must agree with pixieface about that. I've farmed endless things on WoW... No more!

[HoonDing]

Yeh, I'm sure all sidequests in DA:O were WoW-like. Already in the first town after Ostagar there's "kill X bandits", "kill three bears", "collect spider poison", "collect healing herbs" and later on it gets even worse.

[Chromie]

Blind Bard wrote...

I think that by WoW-like quests, pixieface means "bring me 10 daisies" or "bring me 10 heads of monster X". I don't remember such quests in Dragon Age. Were they? And I must agree with pixieface about that. I've farmed endless things on WoW... No more!

5 scrolls of banastor "Magi guild"
3 vials of darkspawn blood for Duncan
10 love letters "favors"
10 venom toxins "Favors"
X amount of poultices in lother and mercenary guild
10 garnets "favors"
kill bears in lothering
kill gangs in denerim alleys
kill gangs or w/e in lothering
bring dragon scale for armor in denerim
gather some nugs in Orzammar
fetch the stolen memories in orzammar
fetch the item for Mason Rigby in Kocari Wilds

etc....


The Witcher when it came was a great game 2nd best RPG to me of that year Mass Effect being my favorite. It's great combat wasnt very difficult great that its getting revamped. The way some of the more major quests could end up not being good or bad just grey I love that. Mass Effect or Dragon Age do have alot of black/white quests in terms of morality although there are some grey areas in between.

Ofcourse Im getting both The Witcher 2 and Dragon Age 2. because they will both be awesome.

[BlackyBlack]

Geralt's face isn't final, it's just a placeholder. Check the official forums

[Blind Bard]

You have a point there and jigged my memory... Still, I never got the feeling of "farming" in DA:O *shrug*

[Alexine]

One other thing I found the Witcher more interesting that DA:O is that it was not very generic (I found the elves and dwarfs lore very typical, elves close to nature and dwarfs living underground). From the polish dev diaries, Witcher 2 will be more based on Slavic mythology, which would be much more interesting in lore and creatures.

Modifié par Alexine, 18 juin 2010 - 08:57 .

[Loerwyn]

Alexine wrote...

One other thing I found the Witcher more interesting that DA:O is that it was not very generic (I found the elves and dwarfs lore very typical, elves close to nature and dwarfs living underground). From the polish dev diaries, Witcher 2 will be more based on Slavic mythology, which would be much more interesting in lore and creatures.

For those of us who've grown up with Tolkien fantasy, sure, I'll agree DAO can be quite generic (but also does turn some stereotypes on their head, such as Elves going from tall and free to short and oppressed), but without any real knowledge of Eastern European folklore I can't really say the Witcher isn't generic. For them, it might be quite common - I think someone with better knowledge might be able to correct me.

[hangmans tree]

...like much of the rest, all elements are said to get a lifting like textures and advanced touch ups. I was simply cought by amazement when I saw the forest by the riverbank....maaan.

I ddnt buy DAO coz relatively it was too expensive, then I borrowed the game and played some. What was my impression is that the game excelled in voiceacting and interaction but failed (sometimes bigtime) at exploring and travel. Plus ambiguous stats, broken skills, items or mechanics, classes not balanced and some more. main story average/decent but unavoidable cliches creep at every step. Some exploited really good some in a poor manner...
Biggest value for me is the history/characyer customization...I was kind of hooked up on that...bored to tears in dungeaon crawl (at times)...

If BW will improve in fields I find lacking - no doubt I'll buy the game.
Theres always the chance I'll have to buy it...coz thers only 1 of my friends that hasnt moved from PC to consoles and thats ****ty situation I tell ya.

Modifié par Seagloom, 18 juin 2010 - 01:22 .

[Loerwyn]

Buy it. Dragon age is coming down in price, quite quickly so. It's already just shy of a third of its original retail price in the UK.

[Sharpus]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

For those of us who've grown up with Tolkien fantasy, sure, I'll agree DAO can be quite generic (but also does turn some stereotypes on their head, such as Elves going from tall and free to short and oppressed), but without any real knowledge of Eastern European folklore I can't really say the Witcher isn't generic. For them, it might be quite common - I think someone with better knowledge might be able to correct me.

Compared to Islanders (England, Ireland etc.) or Northerns (Scandinavia) Eastern Europe doesn't have much of a folklore. There are a few myths, stories and some knowledge of old beliefs. It was all banned and destroyed by the time christians came and burned, destroyed and killed everything and everyone that wasn't from christian God. 

[Loerwyn]

Oh, that ol' chestnut.

Suppose we were rather lucky up here, then.