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[Silvernight]

After Zevran confronts me and has me choose between him and Alistair (I had Zevran at 77 and Alistair at 100), and I choose Alistair, is the romance with Zevran then gone for good? You don't have a chance to get an earring later? It's just difficult to choose, cuz I like them both so I kinda want to have my cake and eat it :innocent:. Maybe I even like Zevran a bit more (the talk about how duty and honor comes first pissed me off big time, so I had to go back and actually harden Alistair, so he became a bit more selfish), but I think that story-wise getting in with Alistair makes more sense. Besides, dumping him is like kicking a puppy, I just can't do that, I know eventually you have to choose, but is it possible to be in active romance with Alistair and still get an earring?

[ejoslin]

It's most likely done for good. I think breaking up with Zevran is worse, actually -- you certainly take a much bigger approval hit than with Alistair. The difference is that Zevran tries to be reassuring to the Warden about it. He's also, I don't know, nicer if you choose him -- he at least will acknowledge that it was a difficult thing for you to do and attempt to cheer you up.

With Zevran, it's more about the warden and making sure that they're ok, no matter what decision you make.  With Alistair, it's a bit more about him (don't shoot me fangirls) hardened or not. 

Edit: If you have a dialog choice "Do you stare at everyone like that" you can turn the romance back on.  Otherwise, most likely, it's off for good.

Second edit: Wow, I rambled a bit.  This probably isn't too coherent, but I haven't had enough coffee yet!

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 juin 2010 - 12:50 .

[Silvernight]

Yes, so I redid that bit and Zevran is at 70 now, no confrontation yet, so I have a bit more time to think about who to choose. What if I don't initiate conversations with him until Landsmeet in order not to risk breaking up, can I still get an earring then?

Also if I do break up with Alistair, does he get a sucky ending then? Such as becoming a drunk (I heard about this possibility) or I dunno, sacrificing himself.

EDIT: I no longer have the dialogue option about staring, I have passed that one some time ago.

Modifié par Silvernight, 16 juin 2010 - 12:53 .

[Arttis]

i tried to have a romance with leliana zevran and morrigan...did not turn out well.

I was able to keep Morrigan and leliana most of the way...but i married anora and leliana quit.

We just cant have our cake and eat it too.

[ejoslin]

Silvernight wrote...

Yes, so I redid that bit and Zevran is at 70 now, no confrontation yet, so I have a bit more time to think about who to choose. What if I don't initiate conversations with him until Landsmeet in order not to risk breaking up, can I still get an earring then?

Also if I do break up with Alistair, does he get a sucky ending then? Such as becoming a drunk (I heard about this possibility) or I dunno, sacrificing himself.

He offers the earring for the first time after he falls in love (so, after Taliesen and at 91+ Love).  But the romance doesn't finish there -- and you can turn down the earring as well.  Whether you accept it or not the first time (I never do), afterwards, invite him to your tent and then select the dialog that opens up in the "personal" discussion tree.

Edit: Not choosing Alistair is not what makes him become a drunk nor is it what causes him to sacrifice himself.  He can become a drunk with a male warden or a friendzone warden as well, and what causes him to sacrifice himself if the DR isn't done has already happened.

Second edit: Leliana is bugged that way in the vanilla game.  Console players are stuck with that, unfortunately.  PC players can fix it -- she should stay if she's hardened even if you are getting married to Alistair/Anora.  Zevran will definitely stay as long as his approval is high enough as long as there are no other romances going on.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 juin 2010 - 12:57 .

[Silvernight]

I actually already invited Zevran to my tent, I think he was at 49 or something like that, surprisingly little, I didn't think he would agree. Do you mean that dialogue that you get automatically after exiting the tent with him? If that, I already had it. Maybe I did it too early?

[Ramante]

Silvernight wrote...

I actually already invited Zevran to my tent, I think he was at 49 or something like that, surprisingly little, I didn't think he would agree. Do you mean that dialogue that you get automatically after exiting the tent with him? If that, I already had it. Maybe I did it too early?

No, it is about asking him to the tent after turning down the earring the first time.

You invited Zev to the tent? Too bad, you miss his great 'massage-talk' because of it.

If you want to know all the things about the Zevran romance check the FAQ ejoslin made (link in her sig).

[Silvernight]

About Leliana, I did break up with her, she's now 100 Friendly, instead of Adore, unhardened (I think, I chose the non-hardening line) and I still got a proposal from her to travel together when it's all over, which I accepted. Didn't think I'd get it, considering that I broke up with her but there you go.

[ejoslin]

Silvernight wrote...

I actually already invited Zevran to my tent, I think he was at 49 or something like that, surprisingly little, I didn't think he would agree. Do you mean that dialogue that you get automatically after exiting the tent with him? If that, I already had it. Maybe I did it too early?

No, I don't mean that at ALL.  I am talking about AFTER he offers the earring for the first time.  This is a pivotal part of the romance -- inviting him after he falls in love.  You get a different dialog if you've been to the tent before than if you haven't, but in order to get his declaration of feelings, you need to invite him after he's in love.

If you're on an unmodded game, btw, after the Taliesen encounter, tell him you want him to stay rather than putting the choice on him.  There's a romance breaking bug if the dialog leads to a public kiss -- it will never progress past adore so you'll never get the earring or the declaration of feelings.  A couple of mods fix this bug, but console players and people who prefer not to mod are stuck with it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 juin 2010 - 01:05 .

[Silvernight]

Ramante wrote...

Silvernight wrote...

I actually already invited Zevran to my tent, I think he was at 49 or something like that, surprisingly little, I didn't think he would agree. Do you mean that dialogue that you get automatically after exiting the tent with him? If that, I already had it. Maybe I did it too early?

No, it is about asking him to the tent after turning down the earring the first time.

You invited Zev to the tent? Too bad, you miss his great 'massage-talk' because of it.

If you want to know all the things about the Zevran romance check the FAQ ejoslin made (link in her sig).

Ahh damn. Sucks, I'm way too lazy to go back through the same stuff the third time.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Alistair also initiates sexy-time if you wait long enough and don't ask him first. Did you miss that?

[sylvanaerie]

Isn't there a mod that lets you do multiple romances in the game?

[Arttis]

Is it a glitch that everytime i sleep with zevran i get plus 2 approval?or something?

I do not feel like romancing zevran again.So im not gonna check for a specific number.

[Silvernight]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Alistair also initiates sexy-time if you wait long enough and don't ask him first. Did you miss that?

Yesss... See, I can't wait to try out the various available dialogue options the second they're available.

[sylvanaerie]

Silvernight wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Alistair also initiates sexy-time if you wait long enough and don't ask him first. Did you miss that?

Yesss... See, I can't wait to try out the various available dialogue options the second they're available.

he will initiate a dialogue after you do his personal quest and reaches a certain level of approval (I think its 90+) hes always at 100 by the time I do his quest so I don't know the numbers for sure.
VERY cute and definitely worth the wait.  You get an awesome special kiss that time too.

*Edit* Unless you are a console player and want to romance Alistair I would recommend this mod to improve buggy parts of the romance and adds some really nice perks to it.

http://social.biowar...m/project/2573/

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 16 juin 2010 - 01:18 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Haha! I did that too at first, but then I reloaded to 'wait and see' after my curiosity was satisfied.

[Ramante]

Arttis wrote...

Is it a glitch that everytime i sleep with zevran i get plus 2 approval?or something?
I do not feel like romancing zevran again.So im not gonna check for a specific number.

Not a glitch, you always get +1 approval.

[ejoslin]

Edit: Ninjaed by ramante!  

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 juin 2010 - 01:13 .

[Silvernight]

Out of curiosity, how many of you gals prefer Alistair to Zevran and vice versa? I thought I was completely sold on Alistair but there comes Zevran and, go figure, I like him even more. Probably doesn't help that I prefer guys with slender build and long hair

[Ramante]

Silvernight wrote...

Out of curiosity, how many of you gals prefer Alistair to Zevran and vice versa? I thought I was completely sold on Alistair but there comes Zevran and, go figure, I like him even more. Probably doesn't help that I prefer guys with slender build and long hair

You want to start a war?

I prefer Zevran (though I really like the Alistair romance), thanks to Ejoslin I like the idea of a political marriage with Zevran on the side, so that's what I'm trying now.
If you really want to know how many people prefer Alistair (or Zevran) I suggest checking a few pages of the Ali and Zev thread and just count how many different people are posting there.

[sylvanaerie]

yea what Ramante said. I love both NPCs, they are my two favorite companions and its hard to choose just one but of the two romantic wise I prefer Alistair (hes just more my type) and Zev is always my go-to guy/BFF.

[Silvernight]

Ramante wrote...

Silvernight wrote...

Out of curiosity, how many of you gals prefer Alistair to Zevran and vice versa? I thought I was completely sold on Alistair but there comes Zevran and, go figure, I like him even more. Probably doesn't help that I prefer guys with slender build and long hair

You want to start a war?

Lol yeah go ahead

Ramante wrote
I prefer Zevran (though I really like the Alistair romance), thanks to Ejoslin I like the idea of a political marriage with Zevran on the side, so that's what I'm trying now.
If you really want to know how many people prefer Alistair (or Zevran) I suggest checking a few pages of the Ali and Zev thread and just count how many different people are posting there.

Oh I'll do that.

I only play a game once though (I have no patience for more when I know everything about the plot), so I'm trying to figure out the optimal pathway You mean you can get Zevran "on the side" even if you break up? Though I'm not particularly partial to being King Alistair's mistress, to be honest.

[sylvanaerie]

to get zev after in a HNF wedding scenario you must marry Alistair politically (IE not in a romance) and be romancing zevran and keep him for your lover. so the only romance you still get in that is Zevran, not both. Really you shouild look into the polygamy mod if you want both.



OH MY GOSH how can you NOT replay this there are SO many permutations..i've played about 20 times and I STILL Find things I missed before.

[wildannie]

Silvernight wrote...

Out of curiosity, how many of you gals prefer Alistair to Zevran and vice versa? I thought I was completely sold on Alistair but there comes Zevran and, go figure, I like him even more. Probably doesn't help that I prefer guys with slender build and long hair

Zevran hands down, the more I play the more I like, it's the opposite with Alistair, my PCs aren't even friends with him anymore

[ejoslin]

Silvernight wrote...

Ramante wrote...

Silvernight wrote...

Out of curiosity, how many of you gals prefer Alistair to Zevran and vice versa? I thought I was completely sold on Alistair but there comes Zevran and, go figure, I like him even more. Probably doesn't help that I prefer guys with slender build and long hair

You want to start a war?

Lol yeah go ahead

Ramante wrote
I prefer Zevran (though I really like the Alistair romance), thanks to Ejoslin I like the idea of a political marriage with Zevran on the side, so that's what I'm trying now.
If you really want to know how many people prefer Alistair (or Zevran) I suggest checking a few pages of the Ali and Zev thread and just count how many different people are posting there.

Oh I'll do that.

I only play a game once though (I have no patience for more when I know everything about the plot), so I'm trying to figure out the optimal pathway You mean you can get Zevran "on the side" even if you break up? Though I'm not particularly partial to being King Alistair's mistress, to be honest.

You can't have Zevran on the side if you break up with Zevran -- you can if you break up with Alistair or never romance him and marry him in a political match (Teyrna of Highever vs Teyrna of Gwaren I suppose, though one is a gray warden and one is the king's widow, pretty equal politically actually).

People prefer both romances for various reasons -- a lot of people also like both.

They start in different places.  Then end up WAY differently than you'd expect.  They're both beautifully written and very rewarding.  I prefer Zevran's romance because there's something so compelling about someone fighting falling in love but falling so hard that he has no choice but to give in despite it being against everything he was raised to believe. Plus the romance strikes me as a bit more, I don't know, mature I suppose.  It's more grounded in reality.  Alistair's is more about the magic of first love, but it is very much in the moment as well.  Zevran is always looking at the future, even before falling in love, Alistair doesn't face it until he falls in love.

It's worth two playthroughs just to go through both.