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[Moirin]

Awesome! I look forward to this!

[ozenglish]

Just some more thoughts:

1:Why do people constantly say they want stuff for free? I am sorry, but I get sick of customers asking me if I can give them a free battery, or a discount. I have to eat, sleep and be clothed to come to work just like everyone else.

2: Now, as was stated above, I like the idea of asking a character about their past, and then the DLC if downloaded starts. That is a fantastic idea which I hope BioWare considers.

3: I am pretty much content to purchase DLC from BW for several reasons. General quality is good, the franchise is becoming established, and the devs are getting better with the mechanics of the software (see Overlord with ME2 for example). The story is generally mid to high quality, and finally, even though the world is not entirely open like Oblivion, it still allows for adventuring in parts.

4: Please BW, give us Mage Wilhelms recovery of Shale as a DLC / or at least Shale's story as a DLC. That would be fantastic.

5: I hope that we get DLC like this month and next month more often. Even if it's just a cheap 200point weapons / armour pack, or a 500 - 800 point bit of DLC.



Ok, let the trashing begin.

[Drewbahr]

You think the quality of their DLC is good, considering they released DA:O with a massive list of game-crashing, save-corrupting bugs? Combined with the exhaustive list of bugs in Awakenings and the other DLC? All of which we had to pay for?



Wow.

[ozenglish]

Drewbahr wrote...

You think the quality of their DLC is good, considering they released DA:O with a massive list of game-crashing, save-corrupting bugs? Combined with the exhaustive list of bugs in Awakenings and the other DLC? All of which we had to pay for?

Wow.

The thing is, I have not experienced half of the bugs that most people have experienced. Yes I have stated that I have had bugs, but not as many bugs as everyone else. Sorry, but that is just the way it is...

[Jallard]

Well, I am intrigued. I added some coin to purchase it when it comes out. I just hope that it is worth it?!?

I had to purchase Windows 7 because for some unknown reason I woke up to a blue screen of death and my illegitimate copy of XP Pro would not reinstsall. But' I am glad that I got Windows 7. DirectX 11 has improved my graphics immensely. Now I am thinking of buying a CL Soundblaster card. Obviously I am eager to install the new patch as well.

Modifié par Jallard, 20 juin 2010 - 04:43 .

[ozenglish]

Jallard wrote...
But' I am glad that I got Windows 7.

Having Windows 7, is like having a Mac, that has pc compatability. At long last we have stability.. now I just need to get my desktop built and all will be blissful in gaming land... and much prettier in DA.

[Feraele]

Drewbahr wrote...

Dodco wrote...

The new DLC may come out and not have any bugs whatsoever. Don't prejudge a product.

And Fareale makes perfect sense to me. I believe many of the DLCs have been made ahead of time (not necessarily upon release date but they certainly haven't taken a month to produce). As Faraele says, each DLC needs certifying as well. They don't just release these to take our minds off the lack of a patch.

Besides, a Patch seems imminent. This being a stand-alone DLC may also mean there is a likelihood of less bugs too. They don't have to factor in elements from the original game as much.

I am looking forward to this DLC. I am of course waiting for further news first though. I am also a slow player, so I am in no rush to play it just yet. Indeed, I have had the day since the day of release and I have yet to complete it due to time constraints and having a life too.

I'd say it's very safe to pre-judge Bioware on this.  Considering Stone Prisoner came with bugs (gemstones don't give full/proper approval from Shale, among other little sniggles), Soldier's Peak came with bugs (granted, bugs already present with the game), Awakenings came with MANY, MANY bugs ... and I believe Darkspawn Chronicles came with bugs as well (I wouldn't know as I'm not spending another dime on Bioware's "products" until I see some respectable fixes) ...

Given their track record on Dragon Age so far?  Expect Leliana's Song to come with a host of bugs and probably introduce a new game-crashing bug.

Just need to ask this question..well after I state this.   Of all the 79 to 88 games I have played since about 1988 ..not one has ever released with no bugs at all.   

Don't computer programs rely on humans putting the right code in the right place?  Humans are not perfect, they make mistakes.    Especially if they are pressed for time. ...Publisher states ..this game MUST be released on this date, no ifs, ands or buts.    (example only)

Every game that ever has patched, that I've seen..."hotfixes etc".   Introduces new bugs.    Its par for the course.    When you are dealing with all platforms at once,  that seems to me...to be even MORE complicated.

So my question is Drew,   whats your past experience with buggy games, and if you have experienced what I have over the years, why would you expect things to be different for Bioware?  ^^

Bugs in games, are par for the course.    They don't upset me,  I report them.   And then I keep my fingers crossed that others...like me,  have reported the same sequence of events, in order to get that bug fixed.   And then it depends how it ranks priority-wise.     And if the "bug-fixing team" can reproduce that bug..in order to fix it.

[Drewbahr]

Feraele wrote...
Just need to ask this question..well after I state this.   Of all the 79 to 88 games I have played since about 1988 ..not one has ever released with no bugs at all.   

Don't computer programs rely on humans putting the right code in the right place?  Humans are not perfect, they make mistakes.    Especially if they are pressed for time. ...Publisher states ..this game MUST be released on this date, no ifs, ands or buts.    (example only)

Every game that ever has patched, that I've seen..."hotfixes etc".   Introduces new bugs.    Its par for the course.    When you are dealing with all platforms at once,  that seems to me...to be even MORE complicated.

So my question is Drew,   whats your past experience with buggy games, and if you have experienced what I have over the years, why would you expect things to be different for Bioware?  ^^

Bugs in games, are par for the course.    They don't upset me,  I report them.   And then I keep my fingers crossed that others...like me,  have reported the same sequence of events, in order to get that bug fixed.   And then it depends how it ranks priority-wise.     And if the "bug-fixing team" can reproduce that bug..in order to fix it.

Oh don't get me wrong, very few games (if any) are released with NO bugs.  Bugs sneak past scrutiny on a fairly routine basis.  But there are some bugs that are big enough that they shouldn't "avoid" that scrutiny - and if they do, they shouldn't be ignored for over seven months.

Just so you know my "cred", so to speak - I've been an avid gamer since the Atari 2600.  My first "favorite" game was Space Invaders, and I've owned (and still do) at least one of every system of every "generation" - from 8bit NES to SNES/Genesis, even including a Panasonic 3DO (a rare 32-bit system).

I can understand the DEX bug going unfixed for so long - it'd be easy enough to miss if you aren't paying 100% attention.  I didn't even know it was a bug until visiting these boards, quite honestly.  But then there's "save enough and the game corrupts EVERY save file you have" and "sell too many items to one guy and it corrupts your save file".  *THOSE*, in my opinion, shouldn't have made it past beta testing.  And even though they did, they shouldn't have gone ignored, unmentioned, and untouched for over seven months.  We even told them how to replicate it, and a PC user even went as far as to write a custom mod that fixes the bug in its entirety - you can't tell me that Bioware can't look at the mod, figure out the bug in their code that it fixes, and fix it.

This is where Stanley Woo comes in to explain how they have deadlines and schedules and meetings and this and that, that make it take so long to fix bugs that are well-detailed and in the PC case, fixed already by a gamer.

Compare Bioware's history with bug fixes in this game, as well as some of the release bugs in KotOR 2 (most notably, at least three instances that I can think of that the game flat-out crashed with no warning or provocation - all three of which had to be fixed well after release) ... compare them with some of their competitors.  I can't remember the last time a Final Fantasy on any platform had save corruption bugs.  Rockstar recently patched a number of bugs and glitches in Red Dead Redemption (across multiple platforms) - and even went as far as to say "Some of these glitches shouldn't have been in the release version of the game, so in an upcoming patch we will release a few extra knickknacks for you guys, the consumers, to have fun with".

And athough it's a bit of a ways off, compare Bioware with its soon-to-be competitor - Blizzard.  Blizzard releases bug patches on a *very* consistant basis, well detailed, with a very vocal support staff on their forums explaining how, why, and when patches will take place.  You could say it's because they have a very buggy game (and what game wouldn't be after over five years, millions of lines of code, two expansions, and dozens of "big" patches) - but I say the fact that they are so open about their bugs, and so responsive on their fixes, that it's more a "good" thing than bad.

So, TL:DR version?  I accept that games will be released with bugs.  Some of the bugs in DA:O and its expansions, though, shouldn't have made it out of beta testing, and the fact that they did and have had ZERO response in over half a year is appauling to me.

[Eterna]

Yay!

[joey_mork84]

Just so this thread doesn't get derailed too far, there is a 1.03 Patch Bug Report thread here and the newest patch discussion thread is here..

Back on topic, though, I'm really looking forward to this new DLC.. Sounds fun and involves my fave character

Modifié par joey_mork84, 20 juin 2010 - 07:35 .

[Joshd21]

I know we already know most about her past, if you did the plot storyline. I came on to these forums expecting to see new DLC being added, I check in every few months. I'm surprised this one got named without much hype. Remember return to Ostgar? they had hyped it up for weeks I assume.

It's sunday, June 20 right now, so  17 more days untill it's released. I only hope that it falls in lne with DLC, that give us a moral choice effect on what to do. I love the DLC don't get me wrong, sometimes I just want more and more of a good thing.

I recall when I first picked up dragon age orgins at walmart, I didn't know any hype or buzz. Then I played it, here I am hooked with all the DLC's bought

[Don Macarin]

OOOOH



Leli isn't my one of my favourite characters of dragon age, nor is Oghren.

But I've come to appreciate Oghren, so who knows.



I'd love a DLC about Anders' escapes or Zevran as a crow.

Shale fighting in the Rebel War sounds lovely too.



I'm quite excited (L)

[spottyblanket]

GOOD IDEA. I'd love to see a Shale (dwarf) one or a Sten one, more of these please!

[Max Legend]

Huzaaah for Leliana DLC!



Best DA love interest(for me that is).



Leli 4Life!

[Sanguinerin]

I really hope you writers continue on this thought process! I'll be very happy with one character, I love the idea for backstory DLC, although I'd be ecstatic with several (especially Alistair and Wynne). Anyway, awesome idea! Thankfully I get back to my computer from vacation just before it comes out. Can't wait!

[superdonkey13]

Any info on the unique item?

[leeboi2]

Drewbahr wrote...

Feraele wrote...
Just need to ask this question..well after I state this.   Of all the 79 to 88 games I have played since about 1988 ..not one has ever released with no bugs at all.   

Don't computer programs rely on humans putting the right code in the right place?  Humans are not perfect, they make mistakes.    Especially if they are pressed for time. ...Publisher states ..this game MUST be released on this date, no ifs, ands or buts.    (example only)

Every game that ever has patched, that I've seen..."hotfixes etc".   Introduces new bugs.    Its par for the course.    When you are dealing with all platforms at once,  that seems to me...to be even MORE complicated.

So my question is Drew,   whats your past experience with buggy games, and if you have experienced what I have over the years, why would you expect things to be different for Bioware?  ^^

Bugs in games, are par for the course.    They don't upset me,  I report them.   And then I keep my fingers crossed that others...like me,  have reported the same sequence of events, in order to get that bug fixed.   And then it depends how it ranks priority-wise.     And if the "bug-fixing team" can reproduce that bug..in order to fix it.

Oh don't get me wrong, very few games (if any) are released with NO bugs.  Bugs sneak past scrutiny on a fairly routine basis.  But there are some bugs that are big enough that they shouldn't "avoid" that scrutiny - and if they do, they shouldn't be ignored for over seven months.

Just so you know my "cred", so to speak - I've been an avid gamer since the Atari 2600.  My first "favorite" game was Space Invaders, and I've owned (and still do) at least one of every system of every "generation" - from 8bit NES to SNES/Genesis, even including a Panasonic 3DO (a rare 32-bit system).

I can understand the DEX bug going unfixed for so long - it'd be easy enough to miss if you aren't paying 100% attention.  I didn't even know it was a bug until visiting these boards, quite honestly.  But then there's "save enough and the game corrupts EVERY save file you have" and "sell too many items to one guy and it corrupts your save file".  *THOSE*, in my opinion, shouldn't have made it past beta testing.  And even though they did, they shouldn't have gone ignored, unmentioned, and untouched for over seven months.  We even told them how to replicate it, and a PC user even went as far as to write a custom mod that fixes the bug in its entirety - you can't tell me that Bioware can't look at the mod, figure out the bug in their code that it fixes, and fix it.

This is where Stanley Woo comes in to explain how they have deadlines and schedules and meetings and this and that, that make it take so long to fix bugs that are well-detailed and in the PC case, fixed already by a gamer.

Compare Bioware's history with bug fixes in this game, as well as some of the release bugs in KotOR 2 (most notably, at least three instances that I can think of that the game flat-out crashed with no warning or provocation - all three of which had to be fixed well after release) ... compare them with some of their competitors.  I can't remember the last time a Final Fantasy on any platform had save corruption bugs.  Rockstar recently patched a number of bugs and glitches in Red Dead Redemption (across multiple platforms) - and even went as far as to say "Some of these glitches shouldn't have been in the release version of the game, so in an upcoming patch we will release a few extra knickknacks for you guys, the consumers, to have fun with".

And athough it's a bit of a ways off, compare Bioware with its soon-to-be competitor - Blizzard.  Blizzard releases bug patches on a *very* consistant basis, well detailed, with a very vocal support staff on their forums explaining how, why, and when patches will take place.  You could say it's because they have a very buggy game (and what game wouldn't be after over five years, millions of lines of code, two expansions, and dozens of "big" patches) - but I say the fact that they are so open about their bugs, and so responsive on their fixes, that it's more a "good" thing than bad.

So, TL:DR version?  I accept that games will be released with bugs.  Some of the bugs in DA:O and its expansions, though, shouldn't have made it out of beta testing, and the fact that they did and have had ZERO response in over half a year is appauling to me.

Epic wall.

[Sotaklas]

i approve +100 dlc about stories of our favorite characters YEA!! this is a great idea i hope to see even more dlc's of this kind.

[Drewbahr]

leeboi2 wrote...

Epic wall.

You don't understand what a wall of text IS, do you?  Paragraphs and spacing does not a wall make.  If you wanted a shorter soundbite, maybe you should go read Twitter

[StuartMarshall]

Genuinely excited for this one. I've bought all the DLC (and the expansion) except the Feastday gifts and it has been hit and miss, but the story-driven ones have interested me the most (I LOVED RtO while Darkspawn Chronicles was a bit bleh to me). Leliana isn't my favourite character of them all but I love the world and find myself going back to it regularly, despite having done everything possible, and these addons - if meaningful and genuinely fleshing out DA - are welcome.

[Feraele]

Drewbahr wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

Epic wall.

You don't understand what a wall of text IS, do you?  Paragraphs and spacing does not a wall make.  If you wanted a shorter soundbite, maybe you should go read Twitter

Here I have to agree with you   hehe

[MistySun]

Well this just goes to show...look at all the thumbs up for the Leliana DLC

This has more views than any other thread i think. And why not. Leliana is a much loved character and i knew if a DLC involving her was made it would create much interest. and excitement.

And she is much. much prettier than any darkspawn.  <3 

[wickedwizzard01]

ozenglish wrote...

Jallard wrote...
But' I am glad that I got Windows 7.

Having Windows 7, is like having a Mac, that has pc compatability. At long last we have stability.. now I just need to get my desktop built and all will be blissful in gaming land... and much prettier in DA.

While i verry much dissaggree on the part that windows 7 is like having a Mac, i also had verry little bug problems 
and no i,m not running it on a mac but on Vista???? have not found the time to upgrade , its still in the box
but have used win 7 at a friend 
but still.... it doesn't come close to a Mac

[Arthur Cousland]

Another stand-alone dlc? I'm slightly more interested in Leliana's Song than Darkspawn Chronicles (not sure if I will purchase DC), but are we ever going to get any more dlc that we can upload our wardens to? I'd rather be able to play as my warden as I get to explore the backstory of one of the Origins companions, rather than some completely separate adventure.



If these stand alone downloads are what we can expect for the rest of the Origins dlc, then I'd suggest something where I could play as a younger Duncan, and perhaps go through his joining up to the events where he discovers that another blight is on the way. If not that, then perhaps something with Maric. Origins only speaks of him here and there. I'd like to actually see what he looks like, and either get to play as him or see him in npc form. Perhaps a dlc where you play as Maric and take back Ferelden from Orlais along with Loghain and co.