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[Chuvvy]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Deal with it, it happened eleven years ago. People die all the time. No one gives two ****s. Life kicks everything out of you early, get used to it. Or commit suicide. It if it effected you that much, do something about it join the peace core or something.

Listen seronjo jedan, if you've never experienced something like that you've got no say in it. I live in a neighbouring country and have relatives there and I know what it was like. You really are one of those ignorant americans 90% of the world hates

I have you idiot. I've already stated that. Both my parents died when I was a kid. That's why I don't really care, because I'm cold.

[Ecael]

slimgrin wrote...

Ecael wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Ecael wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Well, I just saw an interview with Casey Hudson. He said overlord will not be the the last dlc. They will continue to tell the story via dlc until ME3. If none of this DLC ends up being an expansion, I have just one word for Bioware: Lame.

Personally, I'd rather have an expansion released a few months before the release of Mass Effect 3 instead of a few months after the release of Mass Effect 2 (Dragon Age shouldn't have done that...)

The former would help drum up interest in the Mass Effect trilogy just before the release of the final game.

The only reason they offer micro dlc instead of an expansion is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. That is a fact. I hate micro, take out, trivial, I'll have that to go Mcdlc. Why? I want more than 2 hrs of gameplay for my purchase. INSANE! I know its crazy, I said it. More than two hours. Who cares about drumming up interest? That's the job of their pr department. I care more about Bioware delivering a quality game experience.

So game developers don't make expansions to turn out extra profit?

...Why does every argument always have to be justified with "BECAUSE BIOWARE WANTS MONEYZ$$!"

Because the content they deliver is commensurate to the money they ask for it. Expansions are a better deal for the gamer. Some companies, like CD Projekt red, haven't forgotten that. Capcom is content to rip people off for alternate costumes; Activision for buggy, recycled maps in Modern Warfare.

Bioware is entitled to make money; I don't deny them that. They are, in fact,  entitled to milk their fanbase with episodic dlc. And I'll continue to buy something else.

Have you asked Michael Gamble how much profit the ME2 DLC team makes off of each DLC? There's no evidence that game developers automatically benefit from releasing DLC as opposed to an expansion. For all you know, keeping around an entirely separate BioWare team to continuously produce extra content could cost more in terms of overhead.

Expansions were more prevalent in the past because a lot of people weren't using broadband internet. Downloading a 1 GB file on a shaky Internet connection would be painful for most people (it didn't even exist for console gamers). You could say that they're making profit because they're saving on publishing and marketing the expansion as opposed to providing a link to a DLC file, but - like you just said - "Who cares about drumming up interest?"

Even then, that wouldn't stop them from releasing a digitally distributed expansion. It's entirely possible these days - but it sure wasn't before broadband.

Modifié par Ecael, 18 juin 2010 - 03:20 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

I can't believe my brilliant comment went unnoticed. You guys disappoint.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well there was Awakening, but your mileage may vary. Expansions still exist but you are more likely to see DLC packs. Morrowind got 2 expansions, Oblivion got 1 with a few DLC packs (one major) while Fallout 3 only got DLC packs. If that gives any indication on where this is going.

[Ecael]

slimgrin wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

I can't believe my brilliant comment went unnoticed. You guys disappoint.

I noticed.

@ Ecael. I still want  my hard copy and 20- 30 hrs of extra gameplay that comes with an expansion. Bioware would make a profit from this model as well. Everyone wins.

That's assuming direct control the expansion has 20 to 30 hours of gameplay. It could cost $40-$50 (I'd expect people to whine on the forums on the price) or it could only have 10 to 15 hours of gameplay (I'd expect people to whine on the forums on the lack of content) and it would still count as an "expansion".

[Onyx Jaguar]

Mileage may vary but I beat Awakening in about 12 hours. There was a few quests I didn't do but I don't think it would have added much time.



Also Overlord has a few game mechanics that are not in the main game (puzzles, Hub exploration)

[Arijharn]

slimgrin wrote...

Ecael wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Ecael wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Well, I just saw an interview with Casey Hudson. He said overlord will not be the the last dlc. They will continue to tell the story via dlc until ME3. If none of this DLC ends up being an expansion, I have just one word for Bioware: Lame.

Personally, I'd rather have an expansion released a few months before the release of Mass Effect 3 instead of a few months after the release of Mass Effect 2 (Dragon Age shouldn't have done that...)

The former would help drum up interest in the Mass Effect trilogy just before the release of the final game.

The only reason they offer micro dlc instead of an expansion is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. That is a fact. I hate micro, take out, trivial, I'll have that to go Mcdlc. Why? I want more than 2 hrs of gameplay for my purchase. INSANE! I know its crazy, I said it. More than two hours. Who cares about drumming up interest? That's the job of their pr department. I care more about Bioware delivering a quality game experience.

So game developers don't make expansions to turn out extra profit?

...Why does every argument always have to be justified with "BECAUSE BIOWARE WANTS MONEYZ$$!"

Because the content they deliver is commensurate to the money they ask for it. Expansions are a better deal for the gamer. Some companies, like CD Projekt red, haven't forgotten that. Capcom is content to rip people off for alternate costumes; Activision for buggy, recycled maps in Modern Warfare.

Bioware is entitled to make money; I don't deny them that. They are, in fact,  entitled to milk their fanbase with episodic dlc. And I'll continue to buy something else.

Isn't the problem with to DLC or not to DLC and just go to the expansion is that everyone seems to debate on what constitutes price and therefore perceived quality.

I thought Overlord was pretty long relatively speaking, longer than individual missions inside the core game at any rate. There are no real answers to the issue other than
a) Rewarding the players who do get it.
Not punishing the players who don't.

I guess I'm on a tangent here, but there you go.

[Ecael]

slimgrin wrote...

Ecael wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

I can't believe my brilliant comment went unnoticed. You guys disappoint.

I noticed.

@ Ecael. I still want  my hard copy and 20- 30 hrs of extra gameplay that comes with an expansion. Bioware would make a profit from this model as well. Everyone wins.

That's assuming direct control the expansion has 20 to 30 hours of gameplay. It could cost $40-$50 (I'd expect people to whine on the forums on the price) or it could only have 10 to 15 hours of gameplay (I'd expect people to whine on the forums on the lack of content) and it would still count as an "expansion".

Some people will whine. I'm not whining. I'm illustrating the deficiency of the micro dlc model. How long was DA: Awakening anyway? And why do you suppose an expansion was offered for DA and not ME2? Different market perhaps?

Some expansions offer new story content along with altered/improved mechanics and graphics - something the limited scope of micro DLC cannot do. DLC favors the publishers and those poor, impoverished developers. Expansions are fair to both the game makers and their customers.

Some expansions. Technically speaking, BioWare could just take six 2-hour DLCs from a single quest chain, mush them together and then sell it for $42 (or 3360 BioWare points). As Onyx Jaguar said, Awakening only took him 12 hours to beat.

Also, the detail from the Overlord DLC - the satellite battle, a lush planet, the inside of a geth ship, dodging the geth cannon and the interfacing with the VI were all definite improvements upon the mechanics and graphics of Mass Effect 2. If that's just a DLC, I'm very optimistic of what Mass Effect 3 may have in store.

You have to realize - expansions do not obligate a game developer to make it automatically unique - a lot of them just use it to sell filler content - just like some companies with DLC.

Modifié par Ecael, 18 juin 2010 - 04:38 .

[Arijharn]

*cough* Modern Warfare 2 *cough*



I admit, I liked that game although I don't play it online but since I own an xbox every time I go onto xbox live it mentions another map pack for 1200 microsoft points. That's a lot of points for even *less* content, but people are happy enough to spend that much on it.



I guess what I'm saying is that look at it compared to what BioWare has done with ME2, DA and even Mass Effect, we're getting a lot more content in comparison (well, I would argue qualitive content at the very least)

[lzb2811]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well there was Awakening, but your mileage may vary. Expansions still exist but you are more likely to see DLC packs. Morrowind got 2 expansions, Oblivion got 1 with a few DLC packs (one major) while Fallout 3 only got DLC packs. If that gives any indication on where this is going.

The main thing is those games don't have that many DLC compare to ME2. I won't mind if they release 3 addon in DLC form. But if it's going way more than that, an expansion would make more sense. They do have Awakening for DAO and i don't see why this is not happening in ME2?

[Ecael]

lzb2811 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well there was Awakening, but your mileage may vary. Expansions still exist but you are more likely to see DLC packs. Morrowind got 2 expansions, Oblivion got 1 with a few DLC packs (one major) while Fallout 3 only got DLC packs. If that gives any indication on where this is going.

The main thing is those games don't have that many DLC compare to ME2. I won't mind if they release 3 addon in DLC form. But if it's going way more than that, an expansion would make more sense. They do have Awakening for DAO and i don't see why this is not happening in ME2?

I think a lot of people were complaining that there were a lot of cut corners (Ultimate Sacrifice "consequence", lack of DLC items carrying over, only one squadmate returning) and not enough time for QA (Awakening bugs).

[lzb2811]

slimgrin wrote...

Ecael wrote...

lzb2811 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well there was Awakening, but your mileage may vary. Expansions still exist but you are more likely to see DLC packs. Morrowind got 2 expansions, Oblivion got 1 with a few DLC packs (one major) while Fallout 3 only got DLC packs. If that gives any indication on where this is going.

The main thing is those games don't have that many DLC compare to ME2. I won't mind if they release 3 addon in DLC form. But if it's going way more than that, an expansion would make more sense. They do have Awakening for DAO and i don't see why this is not happening in ME2?

I think a lot of people were complaining that there were a lot of cut corners (Ultimate Sacrifice "consequence", lack of DLC items carrying over, only one squadmate returning) and not enough time for QA (Awakening bugs).

I keep wondering if they will just combine the dlc for ME2 and release it as an expansion before ME3. But this wouldn't exactly be fair to those who bought it piecemeal up to that point. Its more likely we won't get an expansion.

Don't think that would happen either. As for the Awakening bugs, yes i agree that's a problem, but why can't they release an expansion without bugs? I believe bioware is quite capable for that task. It's not an impossible task to ask for isn't it?

[Ecael]

slimgrin wrote...

Ecael wrote...

lzb2811 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well there was Awakening, but your mileage may vary. Expansions still exist but you are more likely to see DLC packs. Morrowind got 2 expansions, Oblivion got 1 with a few DLC packs (one major) while Fallout 3 only got DLC packs. If that gives any indication on where this is going.

The main thing is those games don't have that many DLC compare to ME2. I won't mind if they release 3 addon in DLC form. But if it's going way more than that, an expansion would make more sense. They do have Awakening for DAO and i don't see why this is not happening in ME2?

I think a lot of people were complaining that there were a lot of cut corners (Ultimate Sacrifice "consequence", lack of DLC items carrying over, only one squadmate returning) and not enough time for QA (Awakening bugs).

I keep wondering if they will just combine the dlc for ME2 and release it as an expansion before ME3. But this wouldn't exactly be fair to those who bought it piecemeal up to that point. Its more likely we won't get an expansion.

They'll probably do what Bethesda does and package the retail version with all the DLC as the "Game of the Year" edition. An expansion would be separate (that is, if they have another team working on an expansion).

Modifié par Ecael, 18 juin 2010 - 03:49 .

[Zinoviy]

Slidell505 wrote...

Loria232 wrote...

mattahraw wrote...

go easy peoples, some folk around here don't have english as their first language.

It seems to me  that many americans are lazy to learn another language other than English.For example,i can speak 3 different languages fluently and English is not among them.So lack of understanding,empathy + bunch of self-centered individuals is something that i just can't understand.It's  sad actually.Back to the subject,expansion packs sucks(DA Awakening )<_<

Your average self absorbed European. That believes every American ia an ass, with a gun rack and an American flag on their Ford pick up truck. Well **** you **** I drive Chevy.

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If you're going to try to correct the misconceptions of foreigners when it comes to their perception of Americans, at least try to use evidence against their original perception.


Zing.

[Kellykid123]

i wish i knew more languages should get damn rosetta stone or somethin hahaa