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[Shotokanguy]

I posted this on another site already, I'll just copy and paste here:

The Mass Effect series from the beginning, I believe, was BioWare
trying to take the best third person shooter gameplay possible, and
layer it on top of a system like any other RPG. You were supposed to
feel like you were aiming and firing a weapon from a third person
shooter, but the RPG mechanics were supposed to determine how much
damage you did. You had to level up to get Throw to 1000 Newtons of
force, but real time physics, like an action game, did the damage there.

ME1
was too far on the RPG side of things, and I think people expected all
the games would be like that. BioWare moved it back towards the middle
and for some reason people don't like it. They can still improve the
game, so we should hope in ME3 they can mesh both genres to give us
gameplay that uses both our skill (aiming, firing, reacting) and our
smarts (building characters, using the right abilities).

I've felt this way for a while, and I was curious if I was right.

[langelog]

I love the TPS aspects and was glad to see a huge improvement of this in ME2, although I like the RPG side of things too : ex. leveling up, exploiting enemy weakness, outfitting your team to your skill set. Its always been the shooter play that has incited my love of Mass Effect, well that and it has the best written story for a video game series in the history of mankind!

[cajoling_Andy]

Shotokanguy wrote...

I posted this on another site already, I'll just copy and paste here:

The Mass Effect series from the beginning, I believe, was BioWare
trying to take the best third person shooter gameplay possible, and
layer it on top of a system like any other RPG. You were supposed to
feel like you were aiming and firing a weapon from a third person
shooter, but the RPG mechanics were supposed to determine how much
damage you did. You had to level up to get Throw to 1000 Newtons of
force, but real time physics, like an action game, did the damage there.

ME1
was too far on the RPG side of things, and I think people expected all
the games would be like that. BioWare moved it back towards the middle
and for some reason people don't like it. They can still improve the
game, so we should hope in ME3 they can mesh both genres to give us
gameplay that uses both our skill (aiming, firing, reacting) and our
smarts (building characters, using the right abilities).

I've felt this way for a while, and I was curious if I was right.

i do believe that was pretty close to the wording they used when showing me1 at e3 2006?, not sure about the year, but they still dont have the balance quite right now it is more shooter than rpg.
ps not that its a bad thing i actually like it but other people want to look for an hour to find a weapon that does .5% more damge. if anything i would like more passives since i feel the powers are perfect.

Modifié par cajoling_Andy, 17 juin 2010 - 12:56 .

[Chuvvy]

ME1 RPG with TPS elements.

ME2 TPS with RPG elements.

ME3 ???

[Terror_K]

Shotokanguy wrote...

ME1was too far on the RPG side of things, and I think people expected all the games would be like that. BioWare moved it back towards the middle and for some reason people don't like it.

I disagree with this. I'd say ME1 was actually closer to the middle --the perfect blend if you will-- and that it was ME2 that was moved too far on the shooter side of things.

That's not to say ME1 was perfect, but that it was closer to a more balanced game with a good amount of both aspects. ME2 is about 70% shooter, 20% interactive cinema and 10% RPG.

[HTTP 404]

I think the shooter aspect is a great improvement from ME1. however more "rpg" elements would be nice for ME3. ME1 had a perfect balance between shooter/rpg gameplay wise when you leveled up a weapon fully but that was 15 hours or so into ME1.



bioware should keep it the same as it was in ME2 and just add to customizations and upgrades to character and weapons

[SantosCapela]

HTTP 404 wrote...



I think the shooter aspect is a great improvement from ME1. however more "rpg" elements would be nice for ME3. ME1 had a perfect balance between shooter/rpg gameplay wise when you leveled up a weapon fully but that was 15 hours or so into ME1.



bioware should keep it the same as it was in ME2 and just add to customizations and upgrades to character and weapons

Wouldn't say that me1 had the perfect balance between shooter/rpg but I mostly agree with the conclusion if it doesn't mean the introduction of an inventory. I'm quite happy with the armory and would like more customizations in both armor and weapons, just not 150 items always with you.

[cajoling_Andy]

HTTP 404 wrote...

I think the shooter aspect is a great improvement from ME1. however more "rpg" elements would be nice for ME3. ME1 had a perfect balance between shooter/rpg gameplay wise when you leveled up a weapon fully but that was 15 hours or so into ME1.

bioware should keep it the same as it was in ME2 and just add to customizations and upgrades to character and weapons

this i like it is a better way to do it in a scifi game rather than stat increases i mean that the fact is you cannot do more damage with a gun just because you gain more skill however  they could
bring back accuracy percentage.

Modifié par cajoling_Andy, 17 juin 2010 - 03:29 .

[Atmosfear3]

Any shooter with RPG elements that forces you to dump points into weapon specializations just to hit something with reasonable accuracy is failed design.



I'd prefer ME2 to ME1's mechanics any day.

[HTTP 404]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Any shooter with RPG elements that forces you to dump points into weapon specializations just to hit something with reasonable accuracy is failed design.

I'd prefer ME2 to ME1's mechanics any day.

I agree and that was implied in my last post

[leeboi2]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Any shooter with RPG elements that forces you to dump points into weapon specializations just to hit something with reasonable accuracy is failed design.

I'd prefer ME2 to ME1's mechanics any day.

Action n00b, do you start feeling ill if a minute goes by without explosions and nice simple gameplay?

[Atmosfear3]

leeboi2 wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Any shooter with RPG elements that forces you to dump points into weapon specializations just to hit something with reasonable accuracy is failed design.

I'd prefer ME2 to ME1's mechanics any day.

Action n00b, do you start feeling ill if a minute goes by without explosions and nice simple gameplay?

What does that have anything to do with what I said in my post before?

Maybe you should learn how to start arguments that are relevant to whats being discussed, fool.

[Ecael]

leeboi2 wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Any shooter with RPG elements that forces you to dump points into weapon specializations just to hit something with reasonable accuracy is failed design.

I'd prefer ME2 to ME1's mechanics any day.

Action n00b, do you start feeling ill if a minute goes by without explosions and nice simple gameplay?

Are people on this forum incapable of recognizing the sheer amount of explosions and simple gameplay present in both ME1 and ME2?

Or do I need to make another (5th?) 4000-5000 word thread guide, except this one cataloging all the explosions you'll cause or run into in each mission?

[mrmike_1949]

Terror_K wrote...

Shotokanguy wrote...

ME1was too far on the RPG side of things, and I think people expected all the games would be like that. BioWare moved it back towards the middle and for some reason people don't like it.

I disagree with this. I'd say ME1 was actually closer to the middle --the perfect blend if you will-- and that it was ME2 that was moved too far on the shooter side of things.

That's not to say ME1 was perfect, but that it was closer to a more balanced game with a good amount of both aspects. ME2 is about 70% shooter, 20% interactive cinema and 10% RPG.

ME1 was an excellent blend. Havn't played ME2 yet, but just from the comments in forum I can say it is too much shooter, not enoguh RPG

[Epic777]

worm_burner wrote...

ME1 too far on the rpg side, your joking right? Its SUPPOSED TO BE AN ACTION-RPG! ME2 stripped all of that away. Gameplay was better in ME2, but stats and leveling were dumbed down to a level that almost isnt fun. A good game doesnt have to be action action action, imo the balance in ME1 was near perfect (and yes I know the combat wasnt perfect) , but ME2 was way too far on the shooter side.

All of you shooter fans stop trying to make ME into something its not. Its an rpg at heart not a shooter. If you want all the 3rd person action, explosions go play GOW or something else!

~Sigh~ Who said it was just an RPG? It is an RPG/Shooter hybrid, unfortunately looks like a shooter, plays like a shooter, must have decent shooter mechanics. 

[HTTP 404]

yah it is a shooter/rpg hybrid. for those that enjoy RPGs dont look at the shooter aspect as a crutch that it really isnt. its an integral part of the game. I should be able to shoot things right off the bat not level up to do that. however with that said, there could be more depth in rpg element without ever "dumbing" down the shooter aspect that was so great in ME2.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Story and RPG are not the same. You can a purely action game with a good story, and you can have a great RPG with a crap story. Makes no deference what the input is. You can't dumb down a story, it is what it is.

[AlanC9]

worm_burner wrote...
Unfortunately it has been dumbed down to the point that there is almost no rpg left. 

This is the sort of post that makes me embarrassed to be an RPG fan.  Shooter gameplay isn't dumb. I have to do about as much actual thinking in a typical shooter as I do in Baldur's Gate. New or unique situations require thought in both genres, and ordinary ones don't.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 juin 2010 - 05:13 .

[MonkeyChief117]

No one can argue that the shooting mechanics didn't improve in ME2, but i certainly think that many of the awesome RPG elements found in KotOR and ME1 are missing. The over-simplified leveling and inventory mechanics really bothered me - in fact they still do!

[AlanC9]

You actually thought ME1 inventory was awesome?

[Hulk Hsieh]

ME Series = Cinematic Experience + TPS Combat + Carry your decisions thru the trilogy

I can life with the inventory (or without one) . I accept Mako, Hammerhead, and scanning. Thermal clip or not doesn't bother me either.

But I need Bioware to make the 3 main items perfect in ME3.

Modifié par Hulk Hsieh, 18 juin 2010 - 05:36 .