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[Behindyounow]

Out of the party members, Id have to agree with the TC. Zevran.



He wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't set up as some kind of badass.

[Cyberfrog81]

Wynne. I liked her well enough for a while on my first playthrough, and she is definitely extremely useful. But the preaching/unsolicited advice started to get to me. The Wynne/Alistair banter was also cute for a while, but not anymore.



She is also almost ridiculously easy to provoke. Seriously, I bet there are people out there who killed her never realizing she is recruitable.

[Lady Catastrophe]

Party member-wise,I can safely say I love them all in Origins.In Awakening,however,I can't stand Oghren.His sense of humour from Origins has completely dissapeared and it's far too easy to offend him and lose his approval.And don't get me started on Velanna.



If we're talking about NPC's,Arl Eamon gets my vote.He's a complete ass.

[Addai]

Definitely Leliana for me.  Wynne, too, for preachiness and hypocrisy, but she is occasionally useful.  With Leliana, all the syrupy sweetness and girliness is off-putting straight out of the gate.  Shoes, clothes shopping...   But I had her in my party a lot my first couple characters.  I think I started really disliking her character after I did her personal quest the first time.  To hear her talking about murdering and torturing people in that same syrupy voice was creepy and offensive, as is the realization that she was in that life simply because she had a thing for Marjolaine.  WTF?!  I mean, Zevran was a slave and tortured as a child, raised to murder.  She was just doing it for the lulz and for Marjolaine.

I would also have found her Chantry experiences compelling, but to realize they were largely false made them just annoying and dull.  It doesn't help that she seems to have a stalkerish mentality if the romance is turned on, which is virtually impossible not to do if you interact with her at all.

It's the same combination of girliness and falseness that makes me want to strangle Anora, too.  I much prefer, say, the bluntness of Morrigan.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 juin 2010 - 12:51 .

[maxernst]

I don't hate any of the companions, but I'm finding Sten rather grating. Oddly enough, although he manages to irritate my female mage nearly every time he opens his mouth, he approves of her most of the time. On the other hand, I quite enjoy Shale's sense of humor but am having a terrible time getting much in the way of approval from her.



Odd that you say it's impossible not to turn the Leliana romance on, because it hasn't come on with either of my PC's. I was actually thinking I might try it this playthrough, but I wanted it to occur without me really pushing for it (no telling her she's beautiful, for example) and it hasn't happened. The one I turned on completely unexpectedly was Alistair. I had no plans on romancing him this time around, didn't ask him about "whether he'd never...", didn't tell him he was handsome, and the rose still popped out of nowhere.

[Giggles_Manically]

I cant stand Alistair at all, which is why I got Shale!



Seriously though Wynne loses as many lifelong friends as Alistair at Ostagar, yet she dosent constantly complain about it. What bugs me more than anything about his personality is that he places the Warden in command, yet gripes about so many descions, or choices yet when you ask him if he wants to run things he says no. While a can laugh at his humor, his constant complaining grated on me so bad. Also if you ask my sister who played an elf mage who romanced him, getting publically dumped, and then called an infertile elf, in front of all your friends dosent help much either.

[Sarah1281]

She is also almost ridiculously easy to provoke. Seriously, I bet there are people out there who killed her never realizing she is recruitable.

That happened to my brother when he brought Morrigan to the Tower and chose the wrong dialogue option/failed at persuasion.

Seriously though Wynne loses as many lifelong friends as Alistair at Ostagar, yet she dosen't constantly complain about it.

Does she? There were only seven mages sent to Ostagar and we know that both she and Uldred survived so even if the other five all died then that's still only losing five people and unless you were the seventh GW Ferelden had then Alistair lost more people than that. She may have lost more people than he did at the Tower but by that point he was over it enough that his nightmare was being with Goldanna while hers was burying her possibly-dead apprentices.

[kaispan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Seriously though Wynne loses as many lifelong friends as Alistair at Ostagar, yet constantly complain about it.

Does she? There were only seven mages sent to Ostagar and we know that both she and Uldred survived so even if the other five all died then that's still only losing five people and unless you were the seventh GW Ferelden had then Alistair lost more people than that. She may have lost more people than he did at the Tower but by that point he was over it enough that his nightmare was being with Goldanna while hers was burying her possibly-dead apprentices.

lol so it's quantity over quality? Lifelong would only be accurate in Wynne's case, seeing as how they all grew up stuck in the same Tower together (we've got to be talking 30+ years), whereas Alistair had been a GW for all of six months. Still, it's going to be a painful experience to lose someone regardless...Whether they were one or several dozen.

[Giggles_Manically]

No point in trying to argue about Alistair his fans cant see reason, and will never listen to any counter argument against him at all. I am glad Shale makes a much better tank then him, since I do not want to drag him around that much anymore.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

No point in trying to argue about Alistair his fans cant see reason, and will never listen to any counter argument against him at all. I am glad Shale makes a much better tank then him, since I do not want to drag him around that much anymore.

Have you started an Alistair argument that people responded to in an unreasonable manner? You just said that Wynne handled the loss of an equal number of people better, I said that she lost less at that particular battle but more at the Tower and handled it badly then (and also blames it all on Loghain), and someone else even said that Wynne would have had more reason to be upset than Alistair since she would have presumably known these good friends for longer than six months.

[maxernst]

Despite long association, I don't know if Wynne lost anyone who was as important to her as Duncan was to Alistair. We're not even sure the people she's burying in the Fade are actually dead--they may be the apprentices she saved in the Tower. I can't recall her mentioning anybody except Irving (and maybe Petra) from the tower, so it might be that the people closest to her survived. Or it could be that it's too painful for her to talk about, I suppose. People deal with grief in different ways.



Duncan was a surrogate father for a guy who basically had never had a sense of belonging anywhere and (even though he hadn't known them that long), the Wardens were the only family he had ever had. Wynne lost a large number of colleagues, but we don't know how close she was to them. In any event, she can only be said to deal with it "better" if showing feelings is inherently bad.

[Giggles_Manically]

No point in arguing this, so much is left vauge and open to interpertation in DA that everyone reads into a situation differently. We are not even sure how many other Wardens were at Ostagar, or if Wynne was friends with any of the other mages even. Personally I hated how half of Alistairs dialouge revolves around Duncan, and most if not all of Wynne's dialouge is her trying to enforce her views on you, especialy if you are a mage.



While both are interesting, and well acted Dragon Age's charachters are not my favourite Bioware ones.

[alickar]

wynne i did not interact with her much ;o

[Giggles_Manically]

Dont forget Oghern, just why exactly do I have to haul a drunken useless Dwarf around i do not know. The Black Whirlwhind in Jade Empire is the better drunk, actually funny, and I actually enjoyed talking to him and learning about him. I cant stand Oghern, his humor, or using him at all in either Origin or Awakening.

[Remmirath]

Oghren or the dog. Probably the dog. I did make myself talk to it in camp sometimes, but it's just too... realistic. Gives me the creeps.

Oghren, I just don't like. He's annoying.

Even then I don't completely hate them, but I actively like all the others at least to some extent.

[Swoo]

Hanz54321 wrote...

As to Oghren: he was once an honored member of the warrior caste and a great warrior. By the end of the game he is again if you pick the right conversation choices. So I'm OK with Oghren . . .

Until Awakening, where he comes back as a drunk, family abandoning moron again. But I could only bring myself to play Awakening once before I "filed" it.

My problem with Oghren in Awakenings is they really seemed to geld his character and just keep the comedic relief part of him around. He is just as crude, lecherous, ignorant, and 'flaky' in Origins as he is in Awakenings, but in Origins he had an edge of battle-seasoned Warrior Caste badassery mixed in with a little regret and a lot of alcoholism.

I think perhaps he was a little too fun to write and got away from them.

[Sarah1281]

My least favorite characters don't actually include anyone from the party but I seriously dislike Vartag, Ivo, the nameless scout, Lady Dace, Vaughan, Ceorlic, Elva, Beraht, Jarvia, and Jowan. And did I mention Vartag?

[SirEmilCrane]

DA has the most likable party of any BW game in my opinion.



However I can't stand Arl Howe. And Greagor is a bit of a douche in the mage origin, but not so bad if you're a human noble.

[maxernst]

Well, if we're opening the field to NPC's, I loathe and detest Zathrian above all others. And I agree that in general, I like the companions in DA much better than any other Bioware game, in part because they all have good reasons for behaving the way they do, which makes it easier to understand them when they annoy you.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Hanz54321 wrote...

As to Oghren: he was once an honored member of the warrior caste and a great warrior. By the end of the game he is again if you pick the right conversation choices. So I'm OK with Oghren . . .

Until Awakening, where he comes back as a drunk, family abandoning moron again. But I could only bring myself to play Awakening once before I "filed" it.

Ditto.

I thought Oghren was great in Origins. He had the best endgame speech (both at friendly and maximum approval) and a great moment with the guardian. His evolution into the warrior he was meant to be was great and made me feel proud.

Then Awakening ruined all of it. They multiplied his ridiculous drunkness tenfold, thinking that that was his appeal. To me it wasn't. His appeal was precisely to stop him from being like this.

[Merilsell]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nobody Important wrote...

Alistair. He doesn't care about Fereldan at all and will leave it to the blight. He is also extremely unloyal to the wardens and walks out. All he cares about is himself and his foster fathers. Also his jokes aren't funny. Easily the most selfish character in the game. Also he whines too much.

Here we go again.
Alistairian response in 3....2...

...

Nah, won't take the bait cuz:



*shrug*

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

As to Oghren: he was once an honored member of the warrior caste and a great warrior. By the end of the game he is again if you pick the right conversation choices. So I'm OK with Oghren . . .

Until Awakening, where he comes back as a drunk, family abandoning moron again. But I could only bring myself to play Awakening once before I "filed" it.

Ditto.

I thought Oghren was great in Origins. He had the best endgame speech (both at friendly and maximum approval) and a great moment with the guardian. His evolution into the warrior he was meant to be was great and made me feel proud.

Then Awakening ruined all of it. They multiplied his ridiculous drunkness tenfold, thinking that that was his appeal. To me it wasn't. His appeal was precisely to stop him from being like this.

Bingo!

In Origins I actually liked all of the companions. Even Oghren! He's basically a broken guy with a crude sense of humor but there is also that legitimate warrior underneath. And by the end of Origins, you can help him get back that warrior mentality and confidence. Sure he still has his drunk jokes and crude humor but that wasn't all that defined him. On the surface he may have seemed like your prototypical drunk dwarf trope but there was more there.

Yet go into Awakening and he is one big walking fart/drunk/sexual innuendo joke. He was basically the comic relief in Origins, but at the same time seemed like a real character. Yet in Awakening he is treated almost just as comic relief- they basically made him Jar Jar Binks. It certainly doesn't help that his personal quest is bugged in Awakening either, so any chance at making him seem real doesn't work.

And it also bugged me how just about any dialogue choices you choose with him when he is drunk result in an approval loss. First off, he ends most of his incoherent drunken monologues by passing out, so would he even remember what we're talking about? And second, why is he so touchy when it comes to approval hits? You try and joke with him and its like "Oghren disapproves -5". Really?